Porsche Carrera GT | Nordschleife 7:12.69

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Porsche Carrera GT | Nordschleife HOT LAP 7.12,69 min | sport auto




Car: Porsche Carrera GT
Driver: Porsche test and development driver Jörg Bergmeister
Track: Nordschleife (20,6 km)
Lap Time: 7.12,69 min
Tyre: Michelin Pilot Sport Cup 2 N0



christian_gebhardt_sportauto:

20 seconds faster than in Supertest 1/2004: Exclusively for sport auto, Porsche test and development driver Jörg Bergmeister drove a lap time on the Nordschleife in the Carrera GT with the newly developed Michelin Pilot Sport Cup 2 N0. The result? An impressive lap time of 7:12.69 minutes. You can read the full story in sport auto issue 1/2025 and watch the complete video on the sport auto YouTube channel.




Sport Auto (20,6km):

Porsche 911 GT3 RS (992): 6:54.99
Porsche 911 GT2 RS (991): 6:58.28
Ferrari 296 GTB: 6:58.70
911 GT3 Manthey Performance Kit: 6:59.42
Ferrari 488 Pista: 7:00.03
Porsche 911 GT3 (992): 7:04.74
Mercedes-Benz AMG GT R Pro: 7:07.00
McLaren 720S: 7:08.00
McLaren 600LT: 7:08.82
Modified Porsche 911 GT3 RS (991): 7:09.59
Corvette Z06 Z07 Package: 7:10.51
Mercedes-Benz AMG GT R: 7:10.92
Porsche Carrera GT(Cup 2): 7:12.69 (Jörg Bergmeister)
718 Cayman GT4 RS Manthey Performance Kit: 7:12.87
Porsche 918 Spyder: 7:13.00
Chevrolet Corvette Z06 (C7): 7:13.90
Porsche 718 Cayman GT4 RS: 7:16.00
BMW M4 CSL: 7:17.00
Porsche 911 Turbo S (992): 7:17.00
Porsche 911 Turbo S: 7:17.11
Ferrari 488 GTB: 7:21.63

Edited by TopspeedPT on Thursday 12th December 17:34

Edited by TopspeedPT on Thursday 12th December 19:44

[ChrisW.]

Great to see ... I wonder what that start did to the carbon clutch ??

[993rsr]

ChrisW. said:

Great to see ... I wonder what that start did to the carbon clutch ??

Nothing, it's only the slipping that wrecks them. Dumping or sidestepping no issues.

[993rsr]

Mega lap, bumped into him a few weeks ago and he let slip the lap time.

Looked a bit sketchy at 8:32 in the compression at Tiergarten, dab of oppo. at 250kmh!

[ChrisW.]

993rsr said:

ChrisW. said:

Great to see ... I wonder what that start did to the carbon clutch ??

Nothing, it's only the slipping that wrecks them. Dumping or sidestepping no issues.

I thought I could hear the clutch slipping ... maybe it was just the tyres ... but thanks for the info'

I used to do that with my 964RS in sprints until I heard that drive shafts could twist and break ... !

[isaldiri]

TopspeedPT said:

Porsche Carrera GT | Nordschleife HOT LAP 7.12,69 min | sport auto
Sport Auto (20,6km):

Porsche 911 GT3 RS (992): 6:54.99
Porsche 911 GT2 RS (991): 6:58.28
Ferrari 296 GTB: 6:58.70
911 GT3 Manthey Performance Kit: 6:59.42
Ferrari 488 Pista: 7:00.03
Porsche 911 GT3 (992): 7:04.74
Mercedes-Benz AMG GT R Pro: 7:07.00
McLaren 720S: 7:08.00
McLaren 600LT: 7:08.82
Modified Porsche 911 GT3 RS (991): 7:09.59
Corvette Z06 Z07 Package: 7:10.51
Mercedes-Benz AMG GT R: 7:10.92
Porsche Carrera GT(Cup 2): 7:12.69
718 Cayman GT4 RS Manthey Performance Kit: 7:12.87
Porsche 918 Spyder: 7:13.00
Chevrolet Corvette Z06 (C7): 7:13.90
Porsche 718 Cayman GT4 RS: 7:16.00
BMW M4 CSL: 7:17.00
Porsche 911 Turbo S (992): 7:17.00
Porsche 911 Turbo S: 7:17.11
Ferrari 488 GTB: 7:21.63

It'll be fair I think to add that the gt's lap being by bergmeister gives that lap a bit of an advantage over the usual sport auto lap by gebhardt.... but decent enough time for an old car sporting an obsolete gearbox I guess....

[993rsr]

ChrisW. said:

I thought I could hear the clutch slipping ... maybe it was just the tyres ... but thanks for the info'

I used to do that with my 964RS in sprints until I heard that drive shafts could twist and break ... !

Just the tyres, mine sounds the same

[993rsr]

isaldiri said:

TopspeedPT said:

Porsche Carrera GT | Nordschleife HOT LAP 7.12,69 min | sport auto
Sport Auto (20,6km):

Porsche 911 GT3 RS (992): 6:54.99
Porsche 911 GT2 RS (991): 6:58.28
Ferrari 296 GTB: 6:58.70
911 GT3 Manthey Performance Kit: 6:59.42
Ferrari 488 Pista: 7:00.03
Porsche 911 GT3 (992): 7:04.74
Mercedes-Benz AMG GT R Pro: 7:07.00
McLaren 720S: 7:08.00
McLaren 600LT: 7:08.82
Modified Porsche 911 GT3 RS (991): 7:09.59
Corvette Z06 Z07 Package: 7:10.51
Mercedes-Benz AMG GT R: 7:10.92
Porsche Carrera GT(Cup 2): 7:12.69
718 Cayman GT4 RS Manthey Performance Kit: 7:12.87
Porsche 918 Spyder: 7:13.00
Chevrolet Corvette Z06 (C7): 7:13.90
Porsche 718 Cayman GT4 RS: 7:16.00
BMW M4 CSL: 7:17.00
Porsche 911 Turbo S (992): 7:17.00
Porsche 911 Turbo S: 7:17.11
Ferrari 488 GTB: 7:21.63

It'll be fair I think to add that the gt's lap being by bergmeister gives that lap a bit of an advantage over the usual sport auto lap by gebhardt.... but decent enough time for an old car sporting an obsolete gearbox I guess....

Indeed, and it's held back with the original Sachs dampers vs modern ones and a decent geo.

[isaldiri]

993rsr said:

ChrisW. said:

I thought I could hear the clutch slipping ... maybe it was just the tyres ... but thanks for the info'

I used to do that with my 964RS in sprints until I heard that drive shafts could twist and break ... !

Just the tyres, mine sounds the same

Jorg wasn't going sideways like you!

[TDT]

Amazing time, considering it’s just tyres and then track development. Although as Hawkeye/Isaldiri says… probably a bit misleading to have a Bergmeister lap in amongst Gebhardt laps.

Bravo in any case. The car definitely deserved to get its second chance on modern rubber. A perennial question answered.

Edited by TDT on Thursday 12th December 18:43

[ChrisW.]

No wonder it was a problem on PS2's ... the original fitment before the PSS was N rated for the CGT ...

[993rsr]

ChrisW. said:

No wonder it was a problem on PS2's ... the original fitment before the PSS was N rated for the CGT ...

The original Tyre was Michelin Pilot Sport the PS2 was not available back then, pretty poor tyre and the car was very sketchy on them! For the recall PCGB had a new batch of PSS made, they are very good, I still prefer Cup 2 personally.

[Yellow491]

ChrisW. said:

993rsr said:

ChrisW. said:

Great to see ... I wonder what that start did to the carbon clutch ??

Nothing, it's only the slipping that wrecks them. Dumping or sidestepping no issues.

I thought I could hear the clutch slipping ... maybe it was just the tyres ... but thanks for the info'

I used to do that with my 964RS in sprints until I heard that drive shafts could twist and break ... !

Na,250bhp on road tyres wont be a issue,even on proper hillclimb supersoft tyres i only know of one driveshaft that broke through a spiral fracture on a old 911 with a 20 year old drive shaft when side stepping the clutch at 6000 rpm.If concerened get the drive shafts gunbarrel drilled,good for 600bhp then.
Those original cgt michs gave me nightmares winter time.

[Yellow491]

Great driving by herr bergmeister,surprised how much he used 2nd gear,its well planted every where and very stable down the straight,wicked.
Eat your hearts out pdk lovers

[thegreenhell]

isaldiri said:

It'll be fair I think to add that the gt's lap being by bergmeister gives that lap a bit of an advantage over the usual sport auto lap by gebhardt.... but decent enough time for an old car sporting an obsolete gearbox I guess....

The original 7:32 Supertest time was done by Von Sauma. Gebhardt wasn't around then. For comparison, the official factory time by Walter Rohrl, equalled in a later test by Marc Basseng, was 7:28.

[TopspeedPT]

isaldiri said:

It'll be fair I think to add that the gt's lap being by bergmeister gives that lap a bit of an advantage over the usual sport auto lap by gebhardt.... but decent enough time for an old car sporting an obsolete gearbox I guess....

Yeah. I just edited the post.

Gebhardt is usually 5-10 slower than official lap times from manufacturers.

[epom]

Superb.

[isaldiri]

thegreenhell said:

The original 7:32 Supertest time was done by Von Sauma. Gebhardt wasn't around then. For comparison, the official factory time by Walter Rohrl, equalled in a later test by Marc Basseng, was 7:28.

Yep, as you say above pre 2011/12 the laps were of course von sauma (his last laps were around the time of the 4.0rs i think?), i just didn't want to overgeek things. Gebhardt is a bit faster than von sauma was I remember being told by some locals (well given the age differential you'd have hoped so!) as well fwiw....

Yellow491 said:

Great driving by herr bergmeister,surprised how much he used 2nd gear,its well planted every where and very stable down the straight,wicked.
Eat your hearts out pdk lovers

overly long gearing - just like a manual gt4

[stefan1]

Wonderful to see.

Would love to see a lap with the KW suspension and geo that many of us are running now - car definitely looked limited by pitch and roll.

And a cool way to advertise that Porsche has some belief in its new suspension parts (Jorg I understand signed off on them!).

[TDT]

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