991.2 GT3 RS or 992 GT3?
Discussion
Ive been driving a manual 991.2 GT3 for 3 years, I've done 14k miles in it. I don't really use it much from day to day, but plenty of trips and track days. Living on the south coast most track days are 3/400 mile round trips so the journeys account for much of the mileage.
Ive been thinking about a change and every time I go on AT im looking at either the RS or a newer GT3. To date I haven't driven either, but have an appointment with my local dealer this week to discuss options. If he has anything in the showroom I might ask to book a test drive, otherwise I will look further afield. Ive not bought a car from the main dealer network always bought from JZM/
Im not a fan of the tech on the 992, but I guess I need to get my head around it soon, as every manufacturer is moving that way. What does interest me is the front suspension changes and improved turn. Doubt I will get a drive in an RS but does anyone have any experience of the two on track? Not overly fussed about which is the better road car, quite like a hardcore ride.
One last option, is to sell my 991.1 c2s daily driver, and get a 992 touring as a daily that could double for trips and track days as well. That would add 15k mpa. Ive never seen one on track but doubt the lack of fixed rear spoiler would make much difference to my enjoyment.
Any thoughts?
Ive been thinking about a change and every time I go on AT im looking at either the RS or a newer GT3. To date I haven't driven either, but have an appointment with my local dealer this week to discuss options. If he has anything in the showroom I might ask to book a test drive, otherwise I will look further afield. Ive not bought a car from the main dealer network always bought from JZM/
Im not a fan of the tech on the 992, but I guess I need to get my head around it soon, as every manufacturer is moving that way. What does interest me is the front suspension changes and improved turn. Doubt I will get a drive in an RS but does anyone have any experience of the two on track? Not overly fussed about which is the better road car, quite like a hardcore ride.
One last option, is to sell my 991.1 c2s daily driver, and get a 992 touring as a daily that could double for trips and track days as well. That would add 15k mpa. Ive never seen one on track but doubt the lack of fixed rear spoiler would make much difference to my enjoyment.
Any thoughts?
Do you want the Weissach pack ? Only the 991.2 GT3RS has this as an option and there appear to be only a few cars without it ..
Do you prefer classic more simple cars ? The early 991.2 GT3RS' did not have the Particulate Filter and have analogue style instrumentation and controls.
For your everyday will the later front suspension of the 992GT3 make any real difference ?
Would you want the Clubsport package ? You will struggle to find a 991.2 GT3RS without ...
?? Too many questions
Do you prefer classic more simple cars ? The early 991.2 GT3RS' did not have the Particulate Filter and have analogue style instrumentation and controls.
For your everyday will the later front suspension of the 992GT3 make any real difference ?
Would you want the Clubsport package ? You will struggle to find a 991.2 GT3RS without ...
?? Too many questions
I've just copied this from another post ... but this was my choice, and why ...
Well I've made my mind up.
As many will know I have massively over-serviced whilst regularly tracking and modifying my 981 GT4 which was one of the very first cars with the advantage of the splined third gear. I have thoroughly enjoyed the journey and have deliberately kept all the original components that have been exchanged ... but after eight+ years I felt that it was time for a change.
I had always thought that the logical next step was a GT4RS ... the car that Porsche would never sell me, once secondhand prices dropped down towards list prices. Before Christmas this had happened and dealers were very keen to close a cash sale before the end of the year and I came whisker close to buying a red GT4RS at Porsche Edinburgh who were very straight with me, but ...
1. Even at list price the car was £25k over the new car that I would have specified for myself
2. I do have some hearing loss and I worried about exacerbating this in a GT4RS
3. The GT4RS still has limitations with the rear suspension when compared to a GT3 ... and it also has limited down force, ... I want more in the next experience of my track car ownership
4. Build numbers / residuals ... are they still going to build 7000 of them ?
So I went hunting with the negotiating advantage of the December deadline ... 992 GT3 (?) ... I didn't like the less traditional interior ... and there are so many around / residuals ... manual would be nice but maybe not on an even faster track car ... 992 GT3RS (?) not an option for so many reasons ... so no to the 992.
Next up was the 991.2 GT3 RS ... very few around without Weissach which I didn't want, but I managed to find a one owner 2018 non-Weissach car with one owner, full OPC service history, 7500 miles and front tyres dated week 40 / 18. Even better it carried the approved warranty which extended this to June 2026 and all the other advantages of an approved car ... new tyres / service / mot etc.
It was an SOR car and the original owner and the OPC were amazing in helping me to make it happen with a committed deposit on the 30th December and completion mid January once my source investments had been liquidated ... hopefully earlier.
This should keep me happy and out of trouble for another eight years when hopefully I won't be in line for an upgrade to an off-road wheelchair ?? smile
Question ... what to do with my modified GT4 ? Surely not to return it to standard ?
Well I've made my mind up.
As many will know I have massively over-serviced whilst regularly tracking and modifying my 981 GT4 which was one of the very first cars with the advantage of the splined third gear. I have thoroughly enjoyed the journey and have deliberately kept all the original components that have been exchanged ... but after eight+ years I felt that it was time for a change.
I had always thought that the logical next step was a GT4RS ... the car that Porsche would never sell me, once secondhand prices dropped down towards list prices. Before Christmas this had happened and dealers were very keen to close a cash sale before the end of the year and I came whisker close to buying a red GT4RS at Porsche Edinburgh who were very straight with me, but ...
1. Even at list price the car was £25k over the new car that I would have specified for myself
2. I do have some hearing loss and I worried about exacerbating this in a GT4RS
3. The GT4RS still has limitations with the rear suspension when compared to a GT3 ... and it also has limited down force, ... I want more in the next experience of my track car ownership
4. Build numbers / residuals ... are they still going to build 7000 of them ?
So I went hunting with the negotiating advantage of the December deadline ... 992 GT3 (?) ... I didn't like the less traditional interior ... and there are so many around / residuals ... manual would be nice but maybe not on an even faster track car ... 992 GT3RS (?) not an option for so many reasons ... so no to the 992.
Next up was the 991.2 GT3 RS ... very few around without Weissach which I didn't want, but I managed to find a one owner 2018 non-Weissach car with one owner, full OPC service history, 7500 miles and front tyres dated week 40 / 18. Even better it carried the approved warranty which extended this to June 2026 and all the other advantages of an approved car ... new tyres / service / mot etc.
It was an SOR car and the original owner and the OPC were amazing in helping me to make it happen with a committed deposit on the 30th December and completion mid January once my source investments had been liquidated ... hopefully earlier.
This should keep me happy and out of trouble for another eight years when hopefully I won't be in line for an upgrade to an off-road wheelchair ?? smile
Question ... what to do with my modified GT4 ? Surely not to return it to standard ?
hardlylikely said:
Ha, sorry about that.
I guess what I really want is a great track day 911 with pdk gearbox Thats my primary want.
So GT3 or older RS
If it's primarily for track and you have no real issues with a dual clutch box (and presumably all the extra technological gubbins that are associated with that), you probably might as well go with the 992 gt3 because that will be the 'latest and greatest' so to speak, particularly as PAG have it seems somewhat shifted the focus of the GT cars more towards track performance and laptimes. I guess what I really want is a great track day 911 with pdk gearbox Thats my primary want.
So GT3 or older RS
ChrisW. said:
Do you want the Weissach pack ? Only the 991.2 GT3RS has this as an option and there appear to be only a few cars without it ..
Do you prefer classic more simple cars ? The early 991.2 GT3RS' did not have the Particulate Filter and have analogue style instrumentation and controls.
For your everyday will the later front suspension of the 992GT3 make any real difference ?
Would you want the Clubsport package ? You will struggle to find a 991.2 GT3RS without ...
?? Too many questions
Yes Chris , this makes sense older .2 non Weisach , then Suspension set up ..oddly mine is a non club sport as I use the car and all the metal in the back gets in the way . Only do occasional track days as spend is kept for racing still.Do you prefer classic more simple cars ? The early 991.2 GT3RS' did not have the Particulate Filter and have analogue style instrumentation and controls.
For your everyday will the later front suspension of the 992GT3 make any real difference ?
Would you want the Clubsport package ? You will struggle to find a 991.2 GT3RS without ...
?? Too many questions
Edited by hunter 66 on Friday 5th January 11:58
ChrisW. said:
The 992 GT3RS is a fabulous machine ... apart form the price / time to list price / which wasn't working to my age advantage ...
Downforce at max ... GT4RS 100Kg / 991.2 GT3RS 586Kg / 992.2 GT3RS 860Kg ... 991.2 GT3 was 290? Kg ... and 992 ? to check ...
Agree amazing , but a little too racy ( at least my wife would never get in it ) and costly ....no Boot as well .Downforce at max ... GT4RS 100Kg / 991.2 GT3RS 586Kg / 992.2 GT3RS 860Kg ... 991.2 GT3 was 290? Kg ... and 992 ? to check ...
ChrisW. said:
The 992 GT3RS is a fabulous machine ... apart form the price / time to list price / which wasn't working to my age advantage ...
Downforce at max ... GT4RS 100Kg / 991.2 GT3RS 586Kg / 992.2 GT3RS 860Kg ... 991.2 GT3 was 290? Kg ... and 992 ? to check ...
991.2 rs max downforce definitely isn't 586kg.Downforce at max ... GT4RS 100Kg / 991.2 GT3RS 586Kg / 992.2 GT3RS 860Kg ... 991.2 GT3 was 290? Kg ... and 992 ? to check ...
from memory, the sportauto supertest had the 992 gt3 at about the same as the 991.2 3rs. the 992 rs was about 1.8x the 991.2 3rs.
isaldiri said:
ChrisW. said:
The 992 GT3RS is a fabulous machine ... apart form the price / time to list price / which wasn't working to my age advantage ...
Downforce at max ... GT4RS 100Kg / 991.2 GT3RS 586Kg / 992.2 GT3RS 860Kg ... 991.2 GT3 was 290? Kg ... and 992 ? to check ...
991.2 rs max downforce definitely isn't 586kg.Downforce at max ... GT4RS 100Kg / 991.2 GT3RS 586Kg / 992.2 GT3RS 860Kg ... 991.2 GT3 was 290? Kg ... and 992 ? to check ...
from memory, the sportauto supertest had the 992 gt3 at about the same as the 991.2 3rs. the 992 rs was about 1.8x the 991.2 3rs.
Chris is right. it is 586kg on the 3rs (assuming the same top speed which probably isn't quite the same tbf). I had picked off the 2rs technical doc and had always assumed it was just a little less than the 3rs but looking again at the sportauto figures, that was rather a major flub on my part.Sportauto had (at 200kmh)
991 2rs 142kg
991 3rs 200kg
992 3rs 361kg
Worth reading the uber informed supertest which explains well how much better the 992GT3 is
https://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/test/porsche-9...
https://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/test/porsche-9...
hunter 66 said:
ChrisW. said:
Do you want the Weissach pack ? Only the 991.2 GT3RS has this as an option and there appear to be only a few cars without it ..
Do you prefer classic more simple cars ? The early 991.2 GT3RS' did not have the Particulate Filter and have analogue style instrumentation and controls.
For your everyday will the later front suspension of the 992GT3 make any real difference ?
Would you want the Clubsport package ? You will struggle to find a 991.2 GT3RS without ...
?? Too many questions
Yes Chris , this makes sense older .2 non Weisach , then Suspension set up ..oddly mine is a non club sport as I use the car and all the metal in the back gets in the way . Only do occasional track days as spend is kept for racing still.Do you prefer classic more simple cars ? The early 991.2 GT3RS' did not have the Particulate Filter and have analogue style instrumentation and controls.
For your everyday will the later front suspension of the 992GT3 make any real difference ?
Would you want the Clubsport package ? You will struggle to find a 991.2 GT3RS without ...
?? Too many questions
Edited by hunter 66 on Friday 5th January 11:58
I used to use Tracktorque in Tockwith but the last geo wasn't so good ?
Getting back to your original question: 991.1 GT3 RS or 992 GT3 Touring. I exchanged my 991.1 GT3 RS for a 992 GT3 (and also have a 997 GT3 RS 4.0) I never really gelled with the 991.1 GT3 RS. Although I did 7000 miles in it and had it from new it newer became my favourite car to drive. On track I found it rather clinical and it didn’t have the analog charm of the 997 GT3 RS 4.0. I also found the front end to be rather floaty and when I drove the 992 GT3 Touring it became abundantly clear, that the new edition of the 992 GT cars is more track focussed than the previous generation. I use my 992 GT3 Touring as a daily (although it is compromised - too loud) but I also take it to the track. I have a set of winter tyres so its a proper allrounder. For special occasions, I use the 4.0 but I don‘t miss the 991.1 GT3 RS.
Had my meeting with my salesman at local dealership, and surprise surprise, I can't buy a new GT3, as I don't buy enough cars.
Ive read the 992 GT3 supertest report and wow, what a car, that really makes great reading, I truly didn't appreciate the degree of progress made over the 991.
As suggested I need to drive both cars and see which one does it for me. Thanks for all advice.
Ive read the 992 GT3 supertest report and wow, what a car, that really makes great reading, I truly didn't appreciate the degree of progress made over the 991.
As suggested I need to drive both cars and see which one does it for me. Thanks for all advice.
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