Any 991.1 GT3’s for sale?

[J13NY S]

Posted the below on another forum and was pointed this direction...

Does anyone know of any 991.1 GT3’s for sale?

Last year’s plan was to purchase a 991.2 GT3 but due to an unfortunate setback that plan was postponed, since then I’ve looked at .1’s with new eyes and I’m seriously considering buying one.

Essentials are clubsport and PCCB’s.

[Imasurv]

I’ve been looking at 991.1 and 991.2 GT3s for the last few months and the places I’ve been watching are the classifieds here, the OPC approved used website and Auto Trader. In addition, maybe keep an eye on the independent Porsche specialists such as RPM Technik, JZM and the like, there are a few although they would generally advertise on here. If you want to get ahead of the curve maybe phone a few of the independents and give them your details for when something comes in?

Good luck with the search!

Top lurking btw!

[J13NY S]

Have been doing just that.

There is a .1 currently advertised that I’d flight booked to go view when I sensed something wasn’t right and asked for a detailed video… let’s say I didn’t board the flight.

Have you viewed any?

What’s your thoughts on .1 vs .2?

[av185]

Problem is as usual each year all the best spec cars get snapped up into Spring this explains why there are no CS and ceramic braked 991.1 GT3s left in the OPC network and a rapidly dwindling number of 991.2s. You might have to consider a steel braked car the brakes have a less critical affect on value on the gen 1 v the gen 2.

Having owned both gens from new (manual gen 2) the gen 2 is easily worth the extra ££ premium not just for the newer car and far superior engine either but the gen 1 is still a great package despite the engine issues. If you want manual (and its one of Porsches finest gearboxes along with the GT4) there is only one option obviously.

[J13NY S]

I’ve spoken to two people who have had both 991.1 and .2 GT3’s and both of them said they prefer the engine in the .1? Both also said if it wasn’t for the engine concerns they’d have a .1 as it felt… one said racier, the other raw, what’s your thoughts on that having had both?

Edited by J13NY S on Thursday 1st June 09:34

[That_White_GT3]

J13NY S said:

I’ve spoken to two people who have had both. 1 and .2 991 GT3’s and both of them said they prefer the engine in the .1? Both also said if it wasn’t for the engine concerns they’d have a .1 as it felt… one said racier, the other raw, what’s your thoughts on that having had both?

As mentioned above call the independents as they will have a list of cars coming in for sale or they can approach people to buy. I sold my .1 CS through RPM in Feb

https://rpmtechnik.co.uk/porsche-sales/vehicle/991...

Im looking to get into a .2 Manual next hence the sale, Greg at RPM told me when I want one let him know as he has a list of clients who's cars are not advertised but for the right price will sell. The .1 feels racier to me as you can hear the fly heel 'chunter' on ideal where as the .2 is quite inside on idle. I have tracked a .2 and the engine has slightly more low down torque and the intake noise is a lot louder inside - the rest for me is marginal. Apple car play on the .2 is nice for EU road trips but hardly a decision maker. PCCB wasn't a deal breaker when I was buying and most tend to swap the PCCBs out if they track a lot anyway - I never felt I needed more brakes when driving mine however the PCCBS are amazing.

[av185]

Depends largely what you are using the GT3 for because the power and torque drop off on the gen 1 is far greater than for the gen 2 approaching the 9k red line. Remember the gen 2 has a completely revised 4.0 effectively Cup car engine over the older gen1 3.8. This really is a masterpiece of an engine so enough said. Also don't forget most gen 1s are approaching twice the age of gen 2s.

The gen 2 engine also has far more induction noise across the whole of the rev range than the gen 1. The gen 1 has way more driveline shunt and flywheel clatter more reminiscant of the 997 GT3. Some like this but equally many don't.

If you are serious about the gen 1 you are advised to research the engine situation be aware most pre May 2014 cars had an OPC engine swap so many first run cars from Autumn 2013 hung around outside OPCs over the winter and owners received a free new loaner Porsche and monthly compensation. Luckily my May 2014 car received a new engine on the production line and was eventually delivered in October 2014. Many gen 1s have had several new engines and there are many PH threads on this and also other forums detailing the differences and current warranty situation with Porsche.

As ever your best bet is to drive both generations and see which you actually prefer. The PDK S gearbox in both gens is broadly similar and is a superb gearbox although I prefer the manual of which there are far fewer numbers for sale despite approximate parity on numbers when new.

[J13NY S]

That_White_GT3 said:

As mentioned above call the independents as they will have a list of cars coming in for sale or they can approach people to buy. I sold my .1 CS through RPM in Feb

https://rpmtechnik.co.uk/porsche-sales/vehicle/991...

Im looking to get into a .2 Manual next hence the sale, Greg at RPM told me when I want one let him know as he has a list of clients who's cars are not advertised but for the right price will sell. The .1 feels racier to me as you can hear the fly heel 'chunter' on ideal where as the .2 is quite inside on idle. I have tracked a .2 and the engine has slightly more low down torque and the intake noise is a lot louder inside - the rest for me is marginal. Apple car play on the .2 is nice for EU road trips but hardly a decision maker. PCCB wasn't a deal breaker when I was buying and most tend to swap the PCCBs out if they track a lot anyway - I never felt I needed more brakes when driving mine however the PCCBS are amazing.

I remember your car for-sale, and at that time you came up on my instagram... was a bit strange.

Your car looked cleaned but I would like PCCB's.

[J13NY S]

That_White_GT3 said:

As mentioned above call the independents as they will have a list of cars coming in for sale or they can approach people to buy. I sold my .1 CS through RPM in Feb

https://rpmtechnik.co.uk/porsche-sales/vehicle/991...

Im looking to get into a .2 Manual next hence the sale, Greg at RPM told me when I want one let him know as he has a list of clients who's cars are not advertised but for the right price will sell. The .1 feels racier to me as you can hear the fly heel 'chunter' on ideal where as the .2 is quite inside on idle. I have tracked a .2 and the engine has slightly more low down torque and the intake noise is a lot louder inside - the rest for me is marginal. Apple car play on the .2 is nice for EU road trips but hardly a decision maker. PCCB wasn't a deal breaker when I was buying and most tend to swap the PCCBs out if they track a lot anyway - I never felt I needed more brakes when driving mine however the PCCBS are amazing.

Forgot to say, I have spoken to RPM and said if anything becomes available to give me a call.

[J13NY S]

av185 said:

Depends largely what you are using the GT3 for because the power and torque drop off on the gen 1 is far greater than for the gen 2 approaching the 9k red line. Remember the gen 2 has a completely revised 4.0 effectively Cup car engine over the older gen1 3.8. This really is a masterpiece of an engine so enough said. Also don't forget most gen 1s are approaching twice the age of gen 2s.

The gen 2 engine also has far more induction noise across the whole of the rev range than the gen 1. The gen 1 has way more driveline shunt and flywheel clatter more reminiscant of the 997 GT3. Some like this but equally many don't.

If you are serious about the gen 1 you are advised to research the engine situation be aware most pre May 2014 cars had an OPC engine swap so many first run cars from Autumn 2013 hung around outside OPCs over the winter and owners received a free new loaner Porsche and monthly compensation. Luckily my May 2014 car received a new engine on the production line and was eventually delivered in October 2014. Many gen 1s have had several new engines and there are many PH threads on this and also other forums detailing the differences and current warranty situation with Porsche.

As ever your best bet is to drive both generations and see which you actually prefer. The PDK S gearbox in both gens is broadly similar and is a superb gearbox although I prefer the manual of which there are far fewer numbers for sale despite approximate parity on numbers when new.

Good info. thank you.

I don't like tyre kicking so an opportunity to drive both would be difficult. The interesting thing you say there, the .2 sounds louder.

Like everyone else I have concerns about the .1 engine, but speaking to RPM, JZM etc. they say its not the concern most think it is.

My plans for the car, long term keeper, Nurburgring/Spa, NC500 and spirited drives round home.

Edited by J13NY S on Thursday 1st June 10:55

Edited by J13NY S on Thursday 1st June 10:55

[franki68]

I didn’t own but drove a few 991.1 and the .2 engine is significantly better I thought ,the .1 really feels like it has no torque on the road and I suppose if tracking it that won’t matter too much but outside of that if you can afford a .2 it’s a no brainer.
I’m thinking of changing but after road testing a lot of different cars I can’t find anything that engages like the 991.2 gt3 and a significant part of that is the engine .
Good luck whatever you decide .

[av185]

Ashgoods have a 991.1 GT3 CS 24k miles 15 64 plate full OPC history in rare pts Voodoo blue nice spec at £113k but with steel brakes.

Worth noting there are far fewer 991.1 GT3s with ceramics than 991.2 GT3s.

[PinkHouse]

av185 said:

Ashgoods have a 991.1 GT3 CS 24k miles 15 64 plate full OPC history in rare pts Voodoo blue nice spec at £113k but with steel brakes.

Worth noting there are far fewer 991.1 GT3s with ceramics than 991.2 GT3s.

That's strong money being asked for that one from Ashgood. If you can afford 1113k then stretching to 120k gets you a .2 which is a no brainer at that point. You'd lose out on CS, but will get a much better car and a lose less in depreciation as well

[Imasurv]

PinkHouse said:

av185 said:

Ashgoods have a 991.1 GT3 CS 24k miles 15 64 plate full OPC history in rare pts Voodoo blue nice spec at £113k but with steel brakes.

Worth noting there are far fewer 991.1 GT3s with ceramics than 991.2 GT3s.

That's strong money being asked for that one from Ashgood. If you can afford 1113k then stretching to 120k gets you a .2 which is a no brainer at that point. You'd lose out on CS, but will get a much better car and a lose less in depreciation as well

Yes, but look at it!

I've not seen a .2 at £120k, got a link?

[PinkHouse]

Imasurv said:

PinkHouse said:

av185 said:

Ashgoods have a 991.1 GT3 CS 24k miles 15 64 plate full OPC history in rare pts Voodoo blue nice spec at £113k but with steel brakes.

Worth noting there are far fewer 991.1 GT3s with ceramics than 991.2 GT3s.

That's strong money being asked for that one from Ashgood. If you can afford 1113k then stretching to 120k gets you a .2 which is a no brainer at that point. You'd lose out on CS, but will get a much better car and a lose less in depreciation as well

Yes, but look at it!

I've not seen a .2 at £120k, got a link?

Depends on how patient you are as they sometimes come up at that price point.

This one sold last month for £120k
https://jzmporsche.com/cars/porsche-991-p0451/

A few others have also recently sold for under £130k and there's a white one for sale for £129k that has been listed for ages so might be willing to take an offer

[nw942]

franki68 said:

I didn’t own but drove a few 991.1 and the .2 engine is significantly better I thought ,the .1 really feels like it has no torque on the road and I suppose if tracking it that won’t matter too much but outside of that if you can afford a .2 it’s a no brainer.
I’m thinking of changing but after road testing a lot of different cars I can’t find anything that engages like the 991.2 gt3 and a significant part of that is the engine .
Good luck whatever you decide .

The difference in torque is noticeable on certain roads if you leave it to the PDK as it likes to hold a higher gear.

I also felt the suspension on the .2 was a bit more compliant as the .1 could be slightly harsh at times even in comfort.

I drove my .1 and a .2 back-to-back at PEC as I was considering buying a .2. With a cost-to-change at the time of ~ £40-50k I kept the .1.

If the cost to change is now closer to 25k then that could be about £200 per month difference if you put 50% deposit in.

[That_White_GT3]

J13NY S said:

I remember your car for-sale, and at that time you came up on my instagram... was a bit strange.

Your car looked cleaned but I would like PCCB's.

That was the hardest part about selling, it was genuinely immaculate and wasn't a car that just sat in a garage. I might struggle to find another as clean but with a huge house project on the go and nowhere safe to leave it I thought it would make sense to sell and get into a .2 manual or .1RS once the house is done. Have you driven one with PCCB and one with steels out of interest? As mentioned there are far fewer .1 with PCCB and I would personally go with condition over what brakes a car has. The only real benefit of PCCB to me would have been no brake dust with PCCB.

[av185]

PinkHouse said:

Imasurv said:

PinkHouse said:

av185 said:

Ashgoods have a 991.1 GT3 CS 24k miles 15 64 plate full OPC history in rare pts Voodoo blue nice spec at £113k but with steel brakes.

Worth noting there are far fewer 991.1 GT3s with ceramics than 991.2 GT3s.

That's strong money being asked for that one from Ashgood. If you can afford 1113k then stretching to 120k gets you a .2 which is a no brainer at that point. You'd lose out on CS, but will get a much better car and a lose less in depreciation as well

Yes, but look at it!

I've not seen a .2 at £120k, got a link?

Depends on how patient you are as they sometimes come up at that price point.

This one sold last month for £120k
https://jzmporsche.com/cars/porsche-991-p0451/

A few others have also recently sold for under £130k and there's a white one for sale for £129k that has been listed for ages so might be willing to take an offer

That JZM car you linked is probably the highest mileage 991.2 GT3 in the UK doesn't have bucket seats never mind CS and not full OPC history either. Apples and pears.

As ever there is a reason why a car is cheap ££.

Cheapest lowly spec 991.2 GT3 CS full OPC history 2017 reg even with mid teens mileage multiple owners and steel brakes is c £135k.

[av185]

Agree with white GT3 if I was looking for a 991.1 GT3 I wouldn't bother with ceramics. My 991.1 had steels and they were fine. Also bear in mind the cost of replacement following potential damage is quite eye watering around £5k per disc apparantly.

The market changed with the gen 2 GT3 in that most buyers new and used demand(ed)ceramics as per the 991.1 GT3 RS possibly because the performance was on a par and obviously resale values of the gen 2 are quite a bit higher. Biggest advantage is less unsprung weight (and no corrosion if standing outside plus no brake dust residue) but for road use there is little benefit imo. Interesting that the 718 GT4 at a lower price point carries little value uplift with ceramics v steels and certainly not the huge option cost new over the steels which may well increasingly be the case as the cars age due to the higher maintenance.

[PinkHouse]

av185 said:

PinkHouse said:

Imasurv said:

PinkHouse said:

av185 said:

Ashgoods have a 991.1 GT3 CS 24k miles 15 64 plate full OPC history in rare pts Voodoo blue nice spec at £113k but with steel brakes.

Worth noting there are far fewer 991.1 GT3s with ceramics than 991.2 GT3s.

That's strong money being asked for that one from Ashgood. If you can afford 1113k then stretching to 120k gets you a .2 which is a no brainer at that point. You'd lose out on CS, but will get a much better car and a lose less in depreciation as well

Yes, but look at it!

I've not seen a .2 at £120k, got a link?

Depends on how patient you are as they sometimes come up at that price point.

This one sold last month for £120k
https://jzmporsche.com/cars/porsche-991-p0451/

A few others have also recently sold for under £130k and there's a white one for sale for £129k that has been listed for ages so might be willing to take an offer

That JZM car you linked is probably the highest mileage 991.2 GT3 in the UK doesn't have bucket seats never mind CS and not full OPC history either. Apples and pears.

As ever there is a reason why a car is cheap ££.

Cheapest lowly spec 991.2 GT3 CS full OPC history 2017 reg even with mid teens mileage multiple owners and steel brakes is c £135k.

Not quite, Ashgood sold a racing yellow example for £125k that was on 26,000 miles, previously owned by another forum member on here if I recall correctly, while this JZM one was on 23k miles, so it's far from the highest mileage one in the country. Of course majority of sales are in the £130-140k range and this is not talking down the market in away, I was only saying that occasionally some lower priced examples come up that might be closer enough in pricing to the .1 cars that make them a viable alternative if you are patient enough.