997.1 gt3 major service
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anonymous said:
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The cost of the service should have nothing to do with the cost of the car but be basically only dependent on the cost of parts (plugs/fluids etcetc) and time spent in actually doing all that stuff. Whether the car itself costs £50k, 100k or 200k is irrelevant.Exactly, however the reason that Porsche are so successful as a company is that they apply the ‘whatever the market will bear’ principle to pricing and people seem to be a prepared to pay it. GT3 oil and brake/ transmission fluid is just fluid after all.
Even if you factor in a bit more complexity to drain a dry sump system it’s just an oil change at the end of the day.
Even if you factor in a bit more complexity to drain a dry sump system it’s just an oil change at the end of the day.
I've just looked at my bill which actually consisted of "Major, brake fluid, spark plugs, air filter, drive belt, transmission oil, Replace rear-axle anti-roll-bar bearing"
No idea why they deemed replacement of anti roll bar bushes and bearings as part of the large service (car has done 37k at time of service) - they hadn't seen the car prior to this for 2 years so not sure how they knew they would need to replace them nor does it say "as per Porsche schedule" like it does for the other service items - perhaps they were worn previously and noted on the last service. The cost of this however was just £129.99 (oddly no labour costs associated with this line item).
Spark plugs were charged at £141 for 6 - available on design911 for ~£50...so you can see the mark up.
I was quoted more than this at other Porsches for a major service (1700-1800 were the best quotes prior to this one).
No idea why they deemed replacement of anti roll bar bushes and bearings as part of the large service (car has done 37k at time of service) - they hadn't seen the car prior to this for 2 years so not sure how they knew they would need to replace them nor does it say "as per Porsche schedule" like it does for the other service items - perhaps they were worn previously and noted on the last service. The cost of this however was just £129.99 (oddly no labour costs associated with this line item).
Spark plugs were charged at £141 for 6 - available on design911 for ~£50...so you can see the mark up.
I was quoted more than this at other Porsches for a major service (1700-1800 were the best quotes prior to this one).
anonymous said:
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No, but it's that attitude that allows them to get away with price gauging for what is pretty basic servicing and not that different from any other car (other than the owner's expectation that they should somehow pay more because it's a special version of a Porsche.) View it as all part of the experience, fine, but realise that they are taking advantage of you.If you're happy to pay for that then of course that's your choice.(The ARB bushes maybe just a generic recommendation from Porsche on the expectation that these cars are likely to be tracked harder and so it's simpler just to schedule periodic replacements, that's actually more reasonable than overcharging for oil.)
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anonymous said:
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No one reasonably expects a Porsche to be as cheap to run and service as a Hyundai but rather unlike you, as far as I am concerned, the cost of the thing should have very little to no relation to what the cost of servicing it is and I think it's pretty daft to be benchmarking cost of servicing on the current market price of the car. ymmv.anonymous said:
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No, but it's that attitude that allows them to get away with price gauging for what is pretty basic servicing and not that different from any other car (other than the owner's expectation that they should somehow pay more because it's a special version of a Porsche.) View it as all part of the experience, fine, but realise that they are taking advantage of you.If you're happy to pay for that then of course that's your choice.(The ARB bushes maybe just a generic recommendation from Porsche on the expectation that these cars are likely to be tracked harder and so it's simpler just to schedule periodic replacements, that's actually more reasonable than overcharging for oil.)
No, just vote with your feet and either supply your own oil and plugs etc or use a good independent. You're allowed to do that as long as you service the car according to the manufacturer's schedule. If people just go along with this sort of thing there's no incentive for Porsche to be more reasonable about their prices.
My view for what its worth, I think Porsche servicing costs have gone through the roof, when I first got into Porsche the servicing costs were not much more than BMW / Audi and well below Lambo, Ferrari etc. Now you buy a Ferrari and get servicing thrown in for the first few years the cost of servicing a Porsche has moved away from BMW / Audi by a good margin and your not telling me the cost of parts is any more if it says Porsche rather than Audi.
Now with Porsche generating profits for shareholders it is only going to get worse, I read this morning (not confirmed) that the first 3 mths of this year they made 1.8bn profit up 25.4% on last year.
I agree with the comment that Porsche will charge what they can get the punters to pay not what it costs with a reasonable profit margin. A good company should not be judged on just what profit it can make. The customer coming first does not apply anymore, warranty claims are harder to get and anything the OPC has to go to group for seems a major issue. Not happy with the way things seem to be going. Possibly just me but getting a bit disillusioned.
anonymous said:
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What extra benefit are you getting from allowing them to overcharge you? They don't view you any more favourably (quite the opposite I would expect) and you're just encouraging them. It's not about wealth as much as not wanting to be a mug. Do you throw away money in any other aspect of your life as freely? It's an odd attitude to take IMO but of course up to you 100%anonymous said:
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I agree, and most the time I go to Porsche they give me a hire car for free which is usually quite nice to swan about in adding miles on to someone else's car for a day or two (in fact they had mine in from Thu-Monday as the brake nipples were seized (cost of the replacement for these was covered in the major service cost). They actually did me a real favour as most OPC's I suspect would have wanted to replace callipers with parts being seized... I'd also say that if your car has full OPC history then continuing with it for the sake of such a small premium surely adds more to the value of the car come time to sell.
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It's not about liking expensive things I get that and that's not necessarily a waste, it's about voluntarily paying more for exactly the same thing. It's your money and your choice, but that just annoys me. I may have spent large amounts on cars but it still irks me when dealers take the mick and so I would always want decent value from them.Geoff39GL said:
My view for what its worth, I think Porsche servicing costs have gone through the roof, when I first got into Porsche the servicing costs were not much more than BMW / Audi and well below Lambo, Ferrari etc. Now you buy a Ferrari and get servicing thrown in for the first few years the cost of servicing a Porsche has moved away from BMW / Audi by a good margin and your not telling me the cost of parts is any more if it says Porsche rather than Audi.
Now with Porsche generating profits for shareholders it is only going to get worse, I read this morning (not confirmed) that the first 3 mths of this year they made 1.8bn profit up 25.4% on last year.
I agree that with Porsche having IPO’d things will change and revenues will be squeezed but I think when comparing Porsche and Ferrari isn’t quite right…take a look at what the price of new Ferrari’s are now. Huge price increases over the last few years. The new 4x4 specced is over £350k. That servicing isn’t free…..Now with Porsche generating profits for shareholders it is only going to get worse, I read this morning (not confirmed) that the first 3 mths of this year they made 1.8bn profit up 25.4% on last year.
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