992 Gen 2 - 4.0 NA?
Discussion
Looking at the latest spy photos and speculation there is chatter about the 4.0 power plant being dropped into the Gen 2 GTS.
If this is true then it would need to develop more than the current GTS so let’s say 500BHP. Two points spring to mind:
Is this realistic as an option do we think and
How desireable V the existing Turbo 3.0 GTS?
If this is true then it would need to develop more than the current GTS so let’s say 500BHP. Two points spring to mind:
Is this realistic as an option do we think and
How desireable V the existing Turbo 3.0 GTS?
The 991.1 GTS had 430bhp from an NA 3.8, so something around 450bhp seems reasonable from the NA 4.0.
Turbo power changes the game, so in terms of straight line pace, it won't hold a candle to the 992.1 GTS, and I doubt it will even be quicker than the 992.1 S. However, outright pace isn't the appeal of this car is it.
If they could find some way to lighten it by a meaningful amount, not put in stupidly long gearing (in either PDK or MT form) and drop a 450bhp NA engine in the back, it could be a real peach.
However, it's still Porsche though innit? So nobody will be able to get an allocation and we'll have the overs nonsense, killing the excitement for all but a select few.
Turbo power changes the game, so in terms of straight line pace, it won't hold a candle to the 992.1 GTS, and I doubt it will even be quicker than the 992.1 S. However, outright pace isn't the appeal of this car is it.
If they could find some way to lighten it by a meaningful amount, not put in stupidly long gearing (in either PDK or MT form) and drop a 450bhp NA engine in the back, it could be a real peach.
However, it's still Porsche though innit? So nobody will be able to get an allocation and we'll have the overs nonsense, killing the excitement for all but a select few.
andywalton said:
I saw some speculation that it might be the 4L NA combined with hybrid to boost performance and/or offer reduced emissions depending on driving mode. Wouldn't necessarily be the GTS could even be the standard Carrera. Whatever they decide would have to be Euro 7 compliant.
Hybrid means PDK box doesn’t it ? That means no manual gearbox…so unlikely to be across the rnage.Personally I think it’s unlikely. There was lots of speculation about I think the 991.2 GTS being naturally aspirated….think more than one magazine ran it as a story. Obviously it wasn’t.
992.2 will be a hybrid. As such, I assume the N/A engine being banded around would work absolutely fine with the hybrid technology to ensure it quicker than the 992.1.
I have a 992.1 GTS and its rapid. Not sure why for road use you'd need anything quicker. I suspect a GT3 would struggle to keep up (obviously on track it would be a whole different ball game). I also have a 992.2 GTS on order (well, I am officially on the waiting list for a replacement GTS, but will be holding out for a gen.2 if offered one before), and think the hybrid combination will be epic.
Yes, it would be PDK only I suspect, but to me personally thats fine as preferable anyway.
I have a 992.1 GTS and its rapid. Not sure why for road use you'd need anything quicker. I suspect a GT3 would struggle to keep up (obviously on track it would be a whole different ball game). I also have a 992.2 GTS on order (well, I am officially on the waiting list for a replacement GTS, but will be holding out for a gen.2 if offered one before), and think the hybrid combination will be epic.
Yes, it would be PDK only I suspect, but to me personally thats fine as preferable anyway.
Hobo said:
992.2 will be a hybrid. As such, I assume the N/A engine being banded around would work absolutely fine with the hybrid technology to ensure it quicker than the 992.1.
I have a 992.1 GTS and its rapid. Not sure why for road use you'd need anything quicker. I suspect a GT3 would struggle to keep up (obviously on track it would be a whole different ball game). I also have a 992.2 GTS on order (well, I am officially on the waiting list for a replacement GTS, but will be holding out for a gen.2 if offered one before), and think the hybrid combination will be epic.
Yes, it would be PDK only I suspect, but to me personally thats fine as preferable anyway.
I have a bit of a dilemma in that have a new 992T coming in a few weeks but also have a 992 GTS Cab on order, that was meant to be a gen 2 but I suspect will actually be offered a Gen 1 by summer time. So, do I take the Gen 1 or hang back forI have a 992.1 GTS and its rapid. Not sure why for road use you'd need anything quicker. I suspect a GT3 would struggle to keep up (obviously on track it would be a whole different ball game). I also have a 992.2 GTS on order (well, I am officially on the waiting list for a replacement GTS, but will be holding out for a gen.2 if offered one before), and think the hybrid combination will be epic.
Yes, it would be PDK only I suspect, but to me personally thats fine as preferable anyway.
The Gen 2? definitely a first world problem but I’ve not decided which way to jump!
It's all speculation this is. My understanding is that only the Turbo/Turbo S will be given the hybrid treatment first in the 992.2 generation, to compete with the offerings from Ferrari and McLaren in terms of overall performance. And that all Carrera models will still be ICE - non hybrid.
With regards to a 4.0 NA, no thanks! Why would I want something slower? As Hobo has alluded to above, the current 992 GTS is a weapon and quicker than a 992 GT3 in the real world. And I know sound is a subjective topic, but the 992 GTS sounds great IMHO, with the less sound deadening it's really got a nice howl the higher up the rev range you go.
I've had some great high revving NA cars in the past, cars with award winning engines such as the EP3 Type R and E92 M3 4.0 V8. As good as they were, there was always a lack of torque and you really had to rev the nuts off to experience the fun, wrong gear and you could be embarrassed by the lesser car. Once I experienced the Turbo kick of the M4 Comp, there was no going back. And the 992 GTS engine is on another level compared to the M4 in that it pulls much stronger from lower down, I honestly can't feel any lag and it pulls very hard all the way to the redline. I bloody love it! So I for one will not be getting excited by any 4.0 NA engine, heavier on fuel and slower, no thanks!
With regards to a 4.0 NA, no thanks! Why would I want something slower? As Hobo has alluded to above, the current 992 GTS is a weapon and quicker than a 992 GT3 in the real world. And I know sound is a subjective topic, but the 992 GTS sounds great IMHO, with the less sound deadening it's really got a nice howl the higher up the rev range you go.
I've had some great high revving NA cars in the past, cars with award winning engines such as the EP3 Type R and E92 M3 4.0 V8. As good as they were, there was always a lack of torque and you really had to rev the nuts off to experience the fun, wrong gear and you could be embarrassed by the lesser car. Once I experienced the Turbo kick of the M4 Comp, there was no going back. And the 992 GTS engine is on another level compared to the M4 in that it pulls much stronger from lower down, I honestly can't feel any lag and it pulls very hard all the way to the redline. I bloody love it! So I for one will not be getting excited by any 4.0 NA engine, heavier on fuel and slower, no thanks!
stuckmojo said:
I've been thinking about this, and one left field idea would be that they are all hybrid, with only the Turbo having, you know, turbos.
A hybrid system would boost the NA engine too. Simpler to manufacture if the only change is the engine, rather than the full configuration.
I can't think of any manufacturer that is currently offering this. All Hybrid cars I can think of are Petrol Turbos with a Hybrid add on. I don't think the car would be fuel efficient enough or have the performance levels they desire without the addition of some turbos. A hybrid system would boost the NA engine too. Simpler to manufacture if the only change is the engine, rather than the full configuration.
rkwm1 said:
The latest spyshots from testing in Cape Town show a car with centrally placed exhausts. Could point towards NA engine or could just be a new design similar to the 991T?!
Yeah I saw this yesterday. My initial thoughts were that perhaps they've just relocated the exhausts and following a similar design to what they had with the 991.2. But I don't like the look of those front intakes, much prefer the current design, clearly they are active intakes that will open and close as required. rkwm1 said:
The latest spyshots from testing in Cape Town show a car with centrally placed exhausts. Could point towards NA engine or could just be a new design similar to the 991T?!
I've seen the winter testing / ring testing photos, but these are much clearer. The exhausts look odd. The left hand side looks like a traditional exit, the right hand side looks completely fake. Different shape and looking inside it looks like it is not actually an exhaust. 
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