Anyone actually looking forward to the 992?
Discussion
Dear All,
I've been thinking about the impending 992 arrival this year. I can't see a reason to be excited by it's arrival. It seems that each generation dilutes the car a little bit.
What honestly could be "improved" about the current 991.2? The 2nd gen 991 looks amazing, the power is astonishing, possibly too potent to drive on the limit.
Will they shrink the engine further? Push the engine forward making it more mid engined? Add A.I. technologies?
Not to mention the dreadful shiny black plastic all over the dash plucked from the new Panamera... (fingerprint and dust magnet)
I for one am dreading the future of driving...
Views?
J
I've been thinking about the impending 992 arrival this year. I can't see a reason to be excited by it's arrival. It seems that each generation dilutes the car a little bit.
What honestly could be "improved" about the current 991.2? The 2nd gen 991 looks amazing, the power is astonishing, possibly too potent to drive on the limit.
Will they shrink the engine further? Push the engine forward making it more mid engined? Add A.I. technologies?
Not to mention the dreadful shiny black plastic all over the dash plucked from the new Panamera... (fingerprint and dust magnet)
I for one am dreading the future of driving...
Views?
J
Edited by jackliebling on Sunday 28th January 18:42
I can't help but feel that we have lived through the golden years of motoring. Forthcoming restrictions on emissions, noise levels and automation can only -for me - dilute the fun in drivi g . I am sure that many future cars will be exciting in their own way and will be technically very interesting and Porsche will no doubt lead in many areas but the sensations will be very diferent. All this is, to a large extent being driven by changing customer requirements and the younger generations - in the main - do not seem to share the passion us oldies had for our cars. The focus today seems to be more on experiences in the wider world ( gap years etc) and technology (Apple and co). Evolution/progress I guess. Still at least I have my new 718 GTS to look forward to and maybe a Spyder next year after that who knows !!
WG said:
I can't help but feel that we have lived through the golden years of motoring. Forthcoming restrictions on emissions, noise levels and automation can only -for me - dilute the fun in drivi g . I am sure that many future cars will be exciting in their own way and will be technically very interesting and Porsche will no doubt lead in many areas but the sensations will be very diferent. All this is, to a large extent being driven by changing customer requirements and the younger generations - in the main - do not seem to share the passion us oldies had for our cars. The focus today seems to be more on experiences in the wider world ( gap years etc) and technology (Apple and co). Evolution/progress I guess. Still at least I have my new 718 GTS to look forward to and maybe a Spyder next year after that who knows !!
you may well be right the Golden years of motoring are at an end......as the so called younger generation who believe staring into their iphones 24hrs a day with their earphones jammed in their ears being bombarded by some turnips musical ramblings about his miserable ghetto life enriches theirs thus enabling them to live what's left of their lives on social media whilst sitting in their bedrooms in their parents house.....I can totally understand how getting into a driverless, souless and emotionless electric car would be the future and fit well in their souless emotionless lives.......and us oldies have no say.....long live the petrol engine and manual gearbox......Hahahaha I buy a modern car for its day to day functionality - the things I need it to do as part of my life.
Yes, I want it to be interesting and enjoyable to own and drive, but I expect it to be as efficient as possible - and that kind of contradicts what I've always loved about the 911.
For sheer fun, recreation and visceral enjoyment, I would like something else in the garage for those days that can revive the 'golden age' of driving. Something more involving, more mechanical, more rewarding.
That's why I believe the 'classic' market has burgeoned - and a really good aircooled 911 fits that requirement perfectly.
Yes, I want it to be interesting and enjoyable to own and drive, but I expect it to be as efficient as possible - and that kind of contradicts what I've always loved about the 911.
For sheer fun, recreation and visceral enjoyment, I would like something else in the garage for those days that can revive the 'golden age' of driving. Something more involving, more mechanical, more rewarding.
That's why I believe the 'classic' market has burgeoned - and a really good aircooled 911 fits that requirement perfectly.
Koln-RS said:
I buy a modern car for its day to day functionality - the things I need it to do as part of my life.
Yes, I want it to be interesting and enjoyable to own and drive, but I expect it to be as efficient as possible - and that kind of contradicts what I've always loved about the 911.
For sheer fun, recreation and visceral enjoyment, I would like something else in the garage for those days that can revive the 'golden age' of driving. Something more involving, more mechanical, more rewarding.
That's why I believe the 'classic' market has burgeoned - and a really good aircooled 911 fits that requirement perfectly.
I find on todays roads Classic's are not that nice to drive, sus is poor and there is not enough power to over take the lazy sheep 4 line cars.Yes, I want it to be interesting and enjoyable to own and drive, but I expect it to be as efficient as possible - and that kind of contradicts what I've always loved about the 911.
For sheer fun, recreation and visceral enjoyment, I would like something else in the garage for those days that can revive the 'golden age' of driving. Something more involving, more mechanical, more rewarding.
That's why I believe the 'classic' market has burgeoned - and a really good aircooled 911 fits that requirement perfectly.
I remember doing Classic in the castle last year and getting stuck behind a few classics at 40 mph who are in turn stuck behind the norm line of sheep at 42mph and nothing they can do about it. !!
Of course we over took all 5 and went on our way.
ALso as most 3rd party shops know the value of classics any work which needs doing get quoted at telephone number money now.
Classics are a bit over rated as a drive imo, I don't really want any thing older than my 987.2 cars, they work for the fun interactive bit and are new enough to be fast enough and offer great feed back while having cheaper tax and easy to look after.
Any thing after 2012 from Porsche is nice but I would not have any thing new as my fun car, the GT4 was a good example let alone going to a 991 or 992 or some thing.
As a daily I also want fun, my Golf CS dos that in spades, I have not have a normal car ever I think, life is too short to drive a dull daily for me.
If I had the money I would be in a 991.2 GTS as a daily I think.
It's very hard to get excited about new things, I'll prob buy another Lotus this summer 2nh hand of course.
as for the 992, it will prob be a better drive than the 991 as the steering in that car was crap gen one, on the 981 and 991 range it was not the greatest, and the 718 and 992 will have come on to be better drivers cars I would say.
I would have been in a 981 Cayman as a daily if it were not for the steering, it put me off the whole range even as a daily !.
best modern 911 997.2 GTS but at £80k it's very hard for people to over look newer (so called better) cars although this show room TAX must be hitting sales hard, it's even £800 on a Elise now !! to have that in the garage for weekend sunny days costs too much !!!! Any car over £40k on this new tax rules it out as a 2k mile a year fun car :-(
I guess a classic is free to TAX :-)
It's not just the cars that are making driving less fun it's the congested roads with too many cameras and idiots who can't drive especially here in the south east and it is not going to get any better. Gone are the days when the police gave you a slapped wrist for speeding safely or when you could drive into London on uncongested roads (I am only talking 15-20 years ago)then park for free round somewhere like Covent Garden for a Saturday evening out or when you could drive freely round the M25 and not a camera insight but now it's the biggest car park in Europe! Ever since my first Porsche in 2003 I have done less and less miles each year in subsequent Porsche cars due to lack of enthusiasm for the weekend drive out for the day due to the congested roads! The enjoyable years of motoring went at least 10 years ago and are not coming back!
On a different note IMHO I think the best value modern classic Porsche (one car does everything with low maintenance costs) is the 987.2S Boxster manual of course , £25k buys you a nice one, plus it has potential to improve at little cost.
On a different note IMHO I think the best value modern classic Porsche (one car does everything with low maintenance costs) is the 987.2S Boxster manual of course , £25k buys you a nice one, plus it has potential to improve at little cost.
Edited by GT4P on Monday 29th January 10:50
GT4P said:
It's not just the cars that are making driving less fun it's the congested roads with too many cameras and idiots who can't drive especially here in the south east and it is not going to get any better. Gone are the days when the police gave you a slapped wrist for speeding safely or when you could drive into London on uncongested roads (I am only talking 15-20 years ago)then park for free round somewhere like Covent Garden for a Saturday evening out or when you could drive freely round the M25 and not a camera insight but now it's the biggest car park in Europe! Ever since my first Porsche in 2003 I have done less and less miles each year in subsequent Porsche cars due to lack of enthusiasm for the weekend drive out for the day due to the congested roads! The enjoyable years of motoring went at least 10 years ago and are not coming back!
On a different note IMHO I think the best value modern classic Porsche (one car does everything with low maintenance costs) is the 987.2S Boxster manual of course , £25k buys you a nice one, plus it has potential to improve at little cost.
while it's not the best , it's def the best value for sure.On a different note IMHO I think the best value modern classic Porsche (one car does everything with low maintenance costs) is the 987.2S Boxster manual of course , £25k buys you a nice one, plus it has potential to improve at little cost.
Edited by GT4P on Monday 29th January 10:50
What a bunch of miserable buggers! 😈
I’m sure every generation since the invention of the car (ok - I know there haven’t been that many of them!) has thought theirs was the most exciting and that the modern ones weren’t as great as their favourites. It’s called progress - nothing stays the same!
I’m sure the 992 will be great for a lot of newer Porsche drivers and at least it won’t be driverless - that’s when we’ll all have due cause to moan!
I’m sure every generation since the invention of the car (ok - I know there haven’t been that many of them!) has thought theirs was the most exciting and that the modern ones weren’t as great as their favourites. It’s called progress - nothing stays the same!
I’m sure the 992 will be great for a lot of newer Porsche drivers and at least it won’t be driverless - that’s when we’ll all have due cause to moan!
Nick981 said:
What a bunch of miserable buggers! ??
I’m sure every generation since the invention of the car (ok - I know there haven’t been that many of them!) has thought theirs was the most exciting and that the modern ones weren’t as great as their favourites. It’s called progress - nothing stays the same!
I’m sure the 992 will be great for a lot of newer Porsche drivers and at least it won’t be driverless - that’s when we’ll all have due cause to moan!
+1 what a miserable load of buggers.....I’m sure every generation since the invention of the car (ok - I know there haven’t been that many of them!) has thought theirs was the most exciting and that the modern ones weren’t as great as their favourites. It’s called progress - nothing stays the same!
I’m sure the 992 will be great for a lot of newer Porsche drivers and at least it won’t be driverless - that’s when we’ll all have due cause to moan!
Looking forward to the car.
Will love to do a test drive before I pay any money over. May go for a GTS this time.
Didn't like the first attempt at turbo charging the engines. Hopefully there will be an improvement for the 992 version.
Love my 2012 991 S.
[quote=TinRobot997 - a tribute band of a car. Trying too hard and a design mess to appease the boring sods who moaned about the headlights and forgot the shape of the car. LED running lights ageing badly. Also the start of the cars losing that certain something. Rear end C4S is a waste.
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Bold statement from a 996 owner, despite the fact that most would agree that the 4S is the least s
t looking 996..As to the actual topic - agree with the OP somewhat that the 991.2 is definitely up to date in pretty much every sense and should have ample time left in its design life. So not sure why anyone at Porsche would see the need to push the 991.2 out of production. Still looking forward to the actual changes the 992 will bring about.
Double gauche said:
a (very wealthy) neighbour of mine cant wait for the 992.currently drives to work in a 981 cayman.
Hybrid means the commute to work will be cheap and its still a 911.
a different demographic being targeted for the 992 ? less petrol head , more lifestyle choice ...?
911's have always been a life style choice ?Hybrid means the commute to work will be cheap and its still a 911.
a different demographic being targeted for the 992 ? less petrol head , more lifestyle choice ...?
Double gauche said:
a (very wealthy) neighbour of mine cant wait for the 992.currently drives to work in a 981 cayman.
Hybrid means the commute to work will be cheap and its still a 911.
a different demographic being targeted for the 992 ? less petrol head , more lifestyle choice ...?
By the time a Hybrid 911 is with us I'd be surprised if the current exemptions for things like the London Congestion Charge will still apply. I would imagine the exemption won't apply to cars over a certain price or bhp. Hybrid means the commute to work will be cheap and its still a 911.
a different demographic being targeted for the 992 ? less petrol head , more lifestyle choice ...?
964RS. said:
This time in 2 years we will all be wishing we were on the list for a 992 GT3 RS and GT2 RS. 
There will probably be another heritage theft limited edition - will they call it a '911 ST' ?
If they do an ST, I can't imagine which niche it will cover? We have every thing don't we? There will probably be another heritage theft limited edition - will they call it a '911 ST' ?
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