GT3 Touring / GT3 CS (almost done to death)
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so what's the advantage of having a GT3 Touring? logic says that the CS car will be better on track and better on the road? whilst in comparison the GT3 touring won't be as good on the road and definitely not as good on the track? or is it the thinking that in some way it's a 911R in all but name and might command a premium over a winged GT3?......I must confess into liking the stealth side of the touring but can't for the life of me see any advantages so maybe it's as I said the thought is it will command a premium over the CS version.......I'm doubtful......I guess only time will tell.....BTW I haven't locked down my Spec' yet but I think you can tell which side of the fence I'm on...but that can of course change
I see it as an R-lite or a stealth GT3. It's the only NASP 911 you can buy and not everyone wants a shouty track rat.
As a road-only driver I'd have a GT3 Touring over a winged GT3 any day of the week, and twice on Sundays. If there was another NASP model I could buy new I may think differently.
As a road-only driver I'd have a GT3 Touring over a winged GT3 any day of the week, and twice on Sundays. If there was another NASP model I could buy new I may think differently.
Twinfan said:
I see it as an R-lite or a stealth GT3. It's the only NASP 911 you can buy and not everyone wants a shouty track rat.
As a road-only driver I'd have a GT3 Touring over a winged GT3 any day of the week, and twice on Sundays. If there was another NASP model I could buy new I may think differently.
surely a GT3 is exactly that a shouty track rat no?....ok so Why? and what are the advantages?As a road-only driver I'd have a GT3 Touring over a winged GT3 any day of the week, and twice on Sundays. If there was another NASP model I could buy new I may think differently.
[quote=Twinfan]I see it as an R-lite or a stealth GT3. It's the only NASP 911 you can buy and not everyone wants a shouty track rat.
As a road-only driver I'd have a GT3 Touring over a winged GT3 any day of the week, and twice on Sundays. If there was another NASP model I could buy new I may think differently.
This. If you want the most interactive 911 with a nasp engine it's the only choice. Some people don't track and prefer the non winged look.
Agreed if it had back seats it'd make much more sense.
As a road-only driver I'd have a GT3 Touring over a winged GT3 any day of the week, and twice on Sundays. If there was another NASP model I could buy new I may think differently.
This. If you want the most interactive 911 with a nasp engine it's the only choice. Some people don't track and prefer the non winged look.
Agreed if it had back seats it'd make much more sense.
Why would a Touring not be as good as a CS 
Ok, for optimum lap times a PDK CS might be a better buy, but I expect the Touring will be a mega-accomplished road car.
Surely it will appeal to those who specifically don't want the scaffolding and the big rear wing, but do want all the other GT3 desirables, in a more subtle package. Plus, of course, all the pleasure and engagement of the 6-spd manual.
Looking forward to the road test reviews, I'm sure it will be a fitting alternative to the 911'R'.
Ok, for optimum lap times a PDK CS might be a better buy, but I expect the Touring will be a mega-accomplished road car.
Surely it will appeal to those who specifically don't want the scaffolding and the big rear wing, but do want all the other GT3 desirables, in a more subtle package. Plus, of course, all the pleasure and engagement of the 6-spd manual.
Looking forward to the road test reviews, I'm sure it will be a fitting alternative to the 911'R'.
Edited by Geneve on Thursday 11th January 15:35
Geneve said:
Surely it will appeal to those who specifically don't want the scaffolding and the big rear wing, but do want all the other GT3 desirables, in a more subtle package. Plus, of course, all the pleasure and engagement of the 6-spd manual.
Exactly this. Superb revvy NASP engine, excellent handling and a degree of wolf-in-sheeps-clothing. Fabulous. Wish I could afford one.Not everyone has to "get" it. It's an option for those who do and want it
Geneve said:
Why would a Touring not be as good as a CS
Ok, for optimum lap times a PDK CS might be a better buy, but I expect the Touring will be a mega-accomplished road car.
Surely it will appeal to those who specifically don't want the scaffolding and the big rear wing, but do want all the other GT3 desirables, in a more subtle package. Plus, of course, all the pleasure and engagement of the 6-spd manual.
Looking forward to the road test reviews, I'm sure it will be a fitting alternative to the 911'R'.
still no convincing argument as to why a Touring over a CS other than personal preference I get the abiding impression people who order the Semi skimmed version instead of the full fat version believe it will command a premium over the CS like someone said a la 911R light maybe maybe not only time will tell....BTW you don't have to have the rear cage / fire extinguisher for the winged GT3 so it all comes down to whether you have the rear wing or not but as far as I can see a GT3 is defined by its Aero (rear wing) I've never seen a GT3 class car without a wing.....maybe they should have called the GT3 Touring just GT Touring using the same engine but detuning it by making it 3.8 and redline at 8500 rpm afterall the touring is as the name suggests for touring and not as a GT3 for racing.....just a thoughtOk, for optimum lap times a PDK CS might be a better buy, but I expect the Touring will be a mega-accomplished road car.
Surely it will appeal to those who specifically don't want the scaffolding and the big rear wing, but do want all the other GT3 desirables, in a more subtle package. Plus, of course, all the pleasure and engagement of the 6-spd manual.
Looking forward to the road test reviews, I'm sure it will be a fitting alternative to the 911'R'.
Edited by Geneve on Thursday 11th January 15:35
blackmamba said:
Stealth. Ultimate NA performance. Manual gearbox. A few comforts. I bet it’s still handy on track in the right hands.
How many more reasons do you need? If people prefer the winged version then obviously go for that!
How many you got? I bet you it is still handy around track.....so what defines the GT3 Touring as a GT3 class car.....surely the term GT3 is a class of racing......no? I've never seen a GT3 class car without a wing or a cage come to think of it......oohh look that's my 1000 post well done me....LOLHow many more reasons do you need? If people prefer the winged version then obviously go for that!
Edited by GT3-RS on Thursday 11th January 16:36
For 99.9% of track day drivers I doubt they would lap any differently in a CS or a T. The T still has most of aero benefit I understand and I seriously doubt many punters come close to using the last few kilos of downforce at 150mph. So, same car in capability terms, just a question of looks.
I’ve had many a winged monster, actually still do, but these days I rather fancy something a little less “race track refugee”. Looks like I won’t get an allocation, but if I did it would be Touring.
I’ve had many a winged monster, actually still do, but these days I rather fancy something a little less “race track refugee”. Looks like I won’t get an allocation, but if I did it would be Touring.
GT3-RS said:
so what's the advantage of having a GT3 Touring? logic says that the CS car will be better on track and better on the road? whilst in comparison the GT3 touring won't be as good on the road and definitely not as good on the track? or is it the thinking that in some way it's a 911R in all but name and might command a premium over a winged GT3?......I must confess into liking the stealth side of the touring but can't for the life of me see any advantages so maybe it's as I said the thought is it will command a premium over the CS version.......I'm doubtful......I guess only time will tell.....BTW I haven't locked down my Spec' yet but I think you can tell which side of the fence I'm on...but that can of course change
I get it you don’t fully get the reasons why someone would want a Touring GT3. I also get why one would choose a PDK CS; different perspectives apply, none right, none wrong. Go with whatever floats your croutons, mon amie, we can all live with your considered decision, although I’m with Twinfan et al on this one.I have ‘put up’ with GT3s with the ‘willy-waver-wingy-thingy’ since the 997.1 era (so I have form) & have always felt just a little uncomfortable with the wing (I would never have the cage-too boy-racerish for me). Of course, other opinions are equally valid, especially if the car is to be tracked for >50% of the time & spends <20% of its life in the pub/Waitrose carpark!
I purchase Porsche GT cars for the sheer visceral pleasures they afford me, x2 in manual. I suppose they remind me of the 911SCs & 964/993 Carreras of yore. For me, the wing & cage are superfluous to the experience; an unnecessary distraction, even!
Of course, the above could be due to decreasing levels of testosterone, as I get older, Sad (to quote Trump)! My only conciliation being that as my testosterone levels decrease, my couldn’t-give-a-toss-terone levels have risen in compensation!!
GT3-RS said:
still no convincing argument as to why a Touring over a CS other than personal preference I get the abiding impression people who order the Semi skimmed version instead of the full fat version believe it will command a premium over the CS like someone said a la 911R light maybe maybe not only time will tell....BTW you don't have to have the rear cage / fire extinguisher for the winged GT3 so it all comes down to whether you have the rear wing or not but as far as I can see a GT3 is defined by its Aero (rear wing) I've never seen a GT3 class car without a wing.....maybe they should have called the GT3 Touring just GT Touring using the same engine but detuning it by making it 3.8 and redline at 8500 rpm afterall the touring is as the name suggests for touring and not as a GT3 for racing.....just a thought
It sounds like you think the Touring should be strangled in some way so it's not as "good" as the winged version and that you don't think it's worthy of the GT3 badge. It's just that though - a badge. Neither a winged GT3 or a GT3 Touring is a race car, they're both road cars targeting slightly different buyers.By the way, I've not said anything about resale in my preferences as it has nothing to do with what I'd like if I was in a position to buy a GT3. By R-lite I meant driving experience not the ability to create a tax-free profit.
I would order a Touring simply because it is the prettier car. if I want a car with a wing, then I will get an RS - apart from 996.1 and 997.1, to me all GT3 wings look pretty crap.
Purely a looks based decision - form over function (and I doubt I would see much function from a GT3 wing). it also helps that the car will then look like any other 911 to non-car-people.
Purely a looks based decision - form over function (and I doubt I would see much function from a GT3 wing). it also helps that the car will then look like any other 911 to non-car-people.
Robograd said:
GT3-RS said:
so what's the advantage of having a GT3 Touring? logic says that the CS car will be better on track and better on the road? whilst in comparison the GT3 touring won't be as good on the road and definitely not as good on the track? or is it the thinking that in some way it's a 911R in all but name and might command a premium over a winged GT3?......I must confess into liking the stealth side of the touring but can't for the life of me see any advantages so maybe it's as I said the thought is it will command a premium over the CS version.......I'm doubtful......I guess only time will tell.....BTW I haven't locked down my Spec' yet but I think you can tell which side of the fence I'm on...but that can of course change
I get it you don’t fully get the reasons why someone would want a Touring GT3. I also get why one would choose a PDK CS; different perspectives apply, none right, none wrong. Go with whatever floats your croutons, mon amie, we can all live with your considered decision, although I’m with Twinfan et al on this one.I have ‘put up’ with GT3s with the ‘willy-waver-wingy-thingy’ since the 997.1 era (so I have form) & have always felt just a little uncomfortable with the wing (I would never have the cage-too boy-racerish for me). Of course, other opinions are equally valid, especially if the car is to be tracked for >50% of the time & spends <20% of its life in the pub/Waitrose carpark!
I purchase Porsche GT cars for the sheer visceral pleasures they afford me, x2 in manual. I suppose they remind me of the 911SCs & 964/993 Carreras of yore. For me, the wing & cage are superfluous to the experience; an unnecessary distraction, even!
Of course, the above could be due to decreasing levels of testosterone, as I get older, Sad (to quote Trump)! My only conciliation being that as my testosterone levels decrease, my couldn’t-give-a-toss-terone levels have risen in compensation!!
you see to my understanding a GT3 car is a derivative of the GT3 race class hence the GT3 bit in the name and inpart is defined by their willy waving wingy thingy cage et al and not by the fact that cars with willy waving wingy thingys maybe seen hanging around in Waitrose or pub car parks am I right or am I right?......anyway being the caring person that I am and having elderly parents myself I understand that being in or getting near to your dotage that you are suffering the loss of youthful enthusiasm and those youthful urges that once spurred you on which I might add by your own admission have been clearly replaced by high levels of C-G-A-Tossersterone which can also develop into deafness, incontinence and bouts of uncontrollable dribbling and tongue chewing so might I ask if you are actually still able to enjoy the visceral pleasures that a 500HP 0-100mph in 7.3s GT3 car can dispense whether that be with a willy waving wingy thingy or not.....I only have your best interests at heart trust me....LOL 
......BTW when do you collect your GT3 Touringnudgerwilliams said:
It's a relatively stealthy, unshouty GT car. Modern day 964RS. Not what everybody will want, but some will, and good to have the choice.
Come on, be serious. The 964 RS or N/GT never had a large fixed wing so couldn’t possibly race. Oh hang on a minute, it did ......To simplify, the Touring and manual winged GT3 are absolutely identical to drive especially if you forgo the C/S package..Engine,price,gearbox,steering,suspension etc identical,so the differences are purely aesthetic...The two cars have very distinct images..either showy and brash or subtle and discrete..
You pays your money and make your choice..Mine is a RY PDK C/S so a totally different proposition and basically optimised for regular track usage.
You pays your money and make your choice..Mine is a RY PDK C/S so a totally different proposition and basically optimised for regular track usage.
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