Is this the beginning of the end for the flippers?
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The only make something like 32,000 911's a year globally....I think the UK gets 10% of that. So whilst there may be "no limit" on production volumes like there is with the GT3 is the reality is that when you look at that number across Carrera, Carrera S, 4S, Targa S, GTS, Targa GTS, Turbo, Turbo S, GT3 etc etc there won't be enough of a "Purist 911" to go around! Maybe we'd get 500 a year.
So -10mm is the new 0?If they did a proper drivers 911 like the older 3.2 Clubsport or 968 Clubsport models but made it a mainstream model it wouldn't sell many as there's not a big enough market.
Porsche would put it down to experience and declare there wasn't a marketplace.
The few that did sell would probably then be hailed as great drivers cars and gain a cult following with prices remaining firm.
Would be nice to see an affordable, lightweight, basic 911 for drivers.....which isn't a 'black edition' end of line badging exercise!
Porsche would put it down to experience and declare there wasn't a marketplace.
The few that did sell would probably then be hailed as great drivers cars and gain a cult following with prices remaining firm.
Would be nice to see an affordable, lightweight, basic 911 for drivers.....which isn't a 'black edition' end of line badging exercise!
I think it will have things like audio delete as on GT2 RS and maybe a 'Clubport package' or rear seats delete of some description and Alcantara packages that will only be available for that model.
Guessing it will be around the price of a basic carrera with a 6 speed manual ( for the purists!) and have a vast range of options.
To be a mainstream model it will have options that are readily available and the option to delete things is easy to do for Porsche as they do not require any extra work.
Guessing it will be around the price of a basic carrera with a 6 speed manual ( for the purists!) and have a vast range of options.
To be a mainstream model it will have options that are readily available and the option to delete things is easy to do for Porsche as they do not require any extra work.
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While I'm with you, we have to be realistic enough to accept we will not be seeing a new production Porsche with a N/A engine, hydraulic steering, cable throttle and so on.The main reason being emission targets they have to meet.
Yes that is sad and we would all like to see Porsche basically building the 996/997 again(of course with the IMS and bore scoring issues fixed and with the price tag from 1997), but we have to work with what we have. And a basic, manual C2 imho is still the best pick of the range.
In 2037 when the then new 911 will be hybrid or electric only I’m sure people will rave about a basic 991.2 being a relatively analogue car that you actually filled up with petrol and a big 3l ICE turned the petrol into heat and noise and speed.
Also I’m sure the electronics that control the power steering and the throttle will become better over the time and we will be able to update to improved soft- and or hardware in the future.
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The whole truth probably is somewhere in between.One of the reasons for the use of an electric steering is mpg/co2. An electric steering can add upto 1mpg (-4co2). Since there is no need yet for auto driving in a 911 (*shudder*
) I presume this has been the reason for going with electric steering.But you are right re what customers want/dictate
Big hp counts more than feeling for 90% of todays buyers. And I'd even say it is not about not caring for NA engine, those 90% want the low down torque of a turbo engine. They expect that punch, because it's a sportscar, innit?
I just had a look at some stats from the 991.1 and 991.2 range;
991.1 C2
3.4 NA 350hp 7-manual 1455kg 212co2
991.2 C2
3.0 TT 370hp 7-manual 1505kg 190co2
991.2 R
4.0 NA 500hp 6-manual 1370kg 308co2
991.2 GT3
4.0 NA 500hp 6-manual 1488kg 288co2
So the car Porsche should be doing would be a rwd <1400kg 3.4 NA 325hp 6-manual 200co2 with the latest electric steering calibration.
And a price tag under that of a C2 would be nice
They did build that exact car until last year! They even moved the engine forward for a better balance
Today the next closest thing is a GT3
I know it is frustrating to see some 20 different model varieties of the 911 and not the one you'd hoped for.
But the beauty about Porsche is that they could always be improved and modified to suit your needs.
The numerous threads on PH are a great mirror of that. And if you can't do the work yourself, there are thousands of specialist in the world who will be able to build you your own, perfect Porsche.
Filibuster said:
I know it is frustrating to see some 20 different model varieties of the 911 and not the one you'd hoped for.
But the beauty about Porsche is that they could always be improved and modified to suit your needs.
The numerous threads on PH are a great mirror of that. And if you can't do the work yourself, there are thousands of specialist in the world who will be able to build you your own, perfect Porsche.
where are these threads ? most people won't even dare change from an N spec tyre let alone fit aftermarket parts.But the beauty about Porsche is that they could always be improved and modified to suit your needs.
The numerous threads on PH are a great mirror of that. And if you can't do the work yourself, there are thousands of specialist in the world who will be able to build you your own, perfect Porsche.
Porsche modding is rare on here unless on old cars.
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Very well said that..Robbo66 said:
Outside a cup car, there's not been a 'purist 911' since the 996 RS...
anonymous said:
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May I ask what your idea of a modern, purist 911 is that Porsche should be making? For the sake of the argument on the 991.2 platform. Because imo the 996 GT3 RS is a borderline racecar. Or a racecar for the street if you like. The 991 R would be the very definition of a purist car, imho.
For me a purist car is set up to be an involving drive on the road and not built to get the best time on a track. Hence the 'R' being a purist Porsche.
Other than that my idea of a purist 911, as I said before, would be a basic C2 with virtually no options. If they could build it with the NA Engine of the last 991.1 and get the weight a little bit down, that would be great. But everything beyond that wouldn't be a purist 911 for the road in my book.
Assuming most people's idea of purist would probably include the following...
N/A
Manual
RWD
Lighter
Should Porsche produce this vehicle in an unlimited run, I think it would be very successful. And here's the problem....they'll never make an R for the masses. So in order to appease the marketing department, it will be hobbled in some way I'm sure.
N/A
Manual
RWD
Lighter
Should Porsche produce this vehicle in an unlimited run, I think it would be very successful. And here's the problem....they'll never make an R for the masses. So in order to appease the marketing department, it will be hobbled in some way I'm sure.
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