991.2 Turbo Lead Times & Essential Options??
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I must have been a very good boy this year as my good lady Wife has finally given me the green light to fulfil a childhood dream & get myself a 911 Turbo. As you can no doubt appreciate, this car has been on my must own list since the age of about 7, however circumstances (kids), finances (kids again) & being in non suitable jobs (high/low mileage) have meant the ownership of such a car has not been a realistic option until now.
Currently i'm running an F10 M5 (non standard) & i've owned several Audi RS's (again non standard), an R35 GT-R & the previous E60 M5. I've always been drawn to more regular performance cars due to them being somewhat practical as well as quick & able to hold their own on track, however i've always wanted to scratch the 911 Turbo itch & it looks as though that time is nearing.
I've never owned a Porsche of any variety so am somewhat inexperienced in such matters & although i've admired every 911 since childhood, o know very little about the must haves & must nots relative to the brand.
My intention is to approach my local Porsche centre in the next few days to start the ball rolling, but before exposing my desires i wanted to check what the current lead time is on such cars (i realise GT3's & RS's are like hens teeth & commanding insane premiums), but is this the case for the 991 Turbo? My hope is to order new so knowing in advance the current lead times of Turbo's would be good as i can't take deliver until early 2017. Am i starting the process way too soon or will i struggle to order a car now for delivery in early 2017?
What are the must have options? I'm not a fan of wasting money on upgraded/bespoke interiors & i'm leaning towards a blue exterior with a black interior, although if the leather's of good enough quality i could be drawn to a much lighter interior. I'm aware the interior options are endless so to avoid being sucked in i'd keep the interior as standard as possible. Is the uprated music system worth it's extra cost & what other creature comforts are a must have on the 991 Turbo?
I see many 991 GT3's on track (UK/Europe), but i don't encounter 991 Turbos, is their a reason for this, is the 991 Turbo not a good track weapon?
Lastly residuals, how is the 991 Turbo doing in this regard? I can't say i've noticed during their production lifecycle any 911 other than the GT3/RS appreciating & most current 911's appear to depreciate at a pretty average rate. Is this the case & is the Turbo any better or worse?
Thanks in advance & i apologise if these seem pretty basic questions but this will be a considerable step up in my fun budget so will require significant understanding & knowledge improvement before i can calmly press that button.
Currently i'm running an F10 M5 (non standard) & i've owned several Audi RS's (again non standard), an R35 GT-R & the previous E60 M5. I've always been drawn to more regular performance cars due to them being somewhat practical as well as quick & able to hold their own on track, however i've always wanted to scratch the 911 Turbo itch & it looks as though that time is nearing.
I've never owned a Porsche of any variety so am somewhat inexperienced in such matters & although i've admired every 911 since childhood, o know very little about the must haves & must nots relative to the brand.
My intention is to approach my local Porsche centre in the next few days to start the ball rolling, but before exposing my desires i wanted to check what the current lead time is on such cars (i realise GT3's & RS's are like hens teeth & commanding insane premiums), but is this the case for the 991 Turbo? My hope is to order new so knowing in advance the current lead times of Turbo's would be good as i can't take deliver until early 2017. Am i starting the process way too soon or will i struggle to order a car now for delivery in early 2017?
What are the must have options? I'm not a fan of wasting money on upgraded/bespoke interiors & i'm leaning towards a blue exterior with a black interior, although if the leather's of good enough quality i could be drawn to a much lighter interior. I'm aware the interior options are endless so to avoid being sucked in i'd keep the interior as standard as possible. Is the uprated music system worth it's extra cost & what other creature comforts are a must have on the 991 Turbo?
I see many 991 GT3's on track (UK/Europe), but i don't encounter 991 Turbos, is their a reason for this, is the 991 Turbo not a good track weapon?
Lastly residuals, how is the 991 Turbo doing in this regard? I can't say i've noticed during their production lifecycle any 911 other than the GT3/RS appreciating & most current 911's appear to depreciate at a pretty average rate. Is this the case & is the Turbo any better or worse?
Thanks in advance & i apologise if these seem pretty basic questions but this will be a considerable step up in my fun budget so will require significant understanding & knowledge improvement before i can calmly press that button.
From what has been posted UK lead time seems to be September 2016 delivery if you order now so you have time.
If buying new I would go for the Turbo S as you don't need to add many options onto it.
Depreciation will be like a breeze-block off a skyscraper for first 3 years (55% of purchase price without options) and then minimal after that. You should plan to keep it for a minimum of 6 years from new in order to get moneys worth.
Make sure you are able to put plenty of miles onto it (10k PA), if you are not going to do this and are not completely loaded then I would consider a used one.
The burmester system is excellent, a demo from a current 991 should not be too hard to setup.
I would consider going for some customisation options on the interior, it can really make a positive difference to the car.
The new Turbo will be one of the fastest cars porsche have ever made for the track, with CUP2 tyres on it I would imagine that even with novice driver skills it will be a thrillingly fast drive.
If buying new I would go for the Turbo S as you don't need to add many options onto it.
Depreciation will be like a breeze-block off a skyscraper for first 3 years (55% of purchase price without options) and then minimal after that. You should plan to keep it for a minimum of 6 years from new in order to get moneys worth.
Make sure you are able to put plenty of miles onto it (10k PA), if you are not going to do this and are not completely loaded then I would consider a used one.
The burmester system is excellent, a demo from a current 991 should not be too hard to setup.
I would consider going for some customisation options on the interior, it can really make a positive difference to the car.
The new Turbo will be one of the fastest cars porsche have ever made for the track, with CUP2 tyres on it I would imagine that even with novice driver skills it will be a thrillingly fast drive.
Carl_Manchester said:
From what has been posted UK lead time seems to be September 2016 delivery if you order now so you have time.
If buying new I would go for the Turbo S as you don't need to add many options onto it.
Depreciation will be like a breeze-block off a skyscraper for first 3 years (55% of purchase price without options) and then minimal after that. You should plan to keep it for a minimum of 6 years from new in order to get moneys worth.
Make sure you are able to put plenty of miles onto it (10k PA), if you are not going to do this and are not completely loaded then I would consider a used one.
The burmester system is excellent, a demo from a current 991 should not be too hard to setup.
I would consider going for some customisation options on the interior, it can really make a positive difference to the car.
The new Turbo will be one of the fastest cars porsche have ever made for the track, with CUP2 tyres on it I would imagine that even with novice driver skills it will be a thrillingly fast drive.
Thanks.If buying new I would go for the Turbo S as you don't need to add many options onto it.
Depreciation will be like a breeze-block off a skyscraper for first 3 years (55% of purchase price without options) and then minimal after that. You should plan to keep it for a minimum of 6 years from new in order to get moneys worth.
Make sure you are able to put plenty of miles onto it (10k PA), if you are not going to do this and are not completely loaded then I would consider a used one.
The burmester system is excellent, a demo from a current 991 should not be too hard to setup.
I would consider going for some customisation options on the interior, it can really make a positive difference to the car.
The new Turbo will be one of the fastest cars porsche have ever made for the track, with CUP2 tyres on it I would imagine that even with novice driver skills it will be a thrillingly fast drive.
The car will certainly get driven & if my current M5 is anything to go by, then 12-15k annual mileage is likely.
Would love the Turbo S but not sure the price hike can be justified unless better deals are available in the S? Other than an uplift in performance, what are the main differences between the S & non S?
Had hoped depreciation would be lighter on any 991, especially the Turbo. Unlikely i'd be keeping the car longer than 3yrs & would probably lease/contract hire or PCP it so had expected better residuals than 45% after 3yrs.
Would you not consider a slightly used one in 2017 if thats when you're looking to purchase? This way you'll save on list.
I believe the S has all the options in which you'd want to spec on the non S anyway - Ceramic brakes etc.
Options B, Perhaps a 991.1 at a good price as the Gen II will no doubt have a negative impact to the residuals as soon as these become available on the used market.
You'll still get your 2 years of warranty (from date of purchase) providing you buy from a Porsche dealer.
I believe the S has all the options in which you'd want to spec on the non S anyway - Ceramic brakes etc.
Options B, Perhaps a 991.1 at a good price as the Gen II will no doubt have a negative impact to the residuals as soon as these become available on the used market.
You'll still get your 2 years of warranty (from date of purchase) providing you buy from a Porsche dealer.
TOMMYWRIGHT said:
Would you not consider a slightly used one in 2017 if thats when you're looking to purchase? This way you'll save on list.
I believe the S has all the options in which you'd want to spec on the non S anyway - Ceramic brakes etc.
Options B, Perhaps a 991.1 at a good price as the Gen II will no doubt have a negative impact to the residuals as soon as these become available on the used market.
You'll still get your 2 years of warranty (from date of purchase) providing you buy from a Porsche dealer.
Would certainly consider a slightly used one when ready. Under current market conditions, what would such a car be selling for & although i know it's crystal ball, how do you think the Gen II's will impact prices of the .1's Turbos?I believe the S has all the options in which you'd want to spec on the non S anyway - Ceramic brakes etc.
Options B, Perhaps a 991.1 at a good price as the Gen II will no doubt have a negative impact to the residuals as soon as these become available on the used market.
You'll still get your 2 years of warranty (from date of purchase) providing you buy from a Porsche dealer.
If it was me I'd spend £K 140 on a 991 GT3 - maybe £K 20 to £K 25 over list , but I promise you this car will cost you less in depreciation over , say 3 years than the Turbo - you just need to re adjust your view on cost away from purchase price to monthly depreciation and you'll realise the GT3 , even over list , is the cheaper car . Also after driving both versions (991 Turbo S) , plus owning a 997.2 Turbo and a 991 GT3 - the GT3 is a far better car - the Turbo , is fast but boring in comparison , while the GT3 is a proper 911 - I've also owned a 991 S and again once you've driven a GT3 , there's no going back - I'll never buy another non GT 911 again - just my view though - either way , good luck.
Re lead time - Porsche tend to quote longer lead times than the ones that eventually materialise - I bet if you ordered now you'd get quoted something like September but it would arrive by June - ish .
Re lead time - Porsche tend to quote longer lead times than the ones that eventually materialise - I bet if you ordered now you'd get quoted something like September but it would arrive by June - ish .
RSVP911 said:
If it was me I'd spend £K 140 on a 991 GT3 - maybe £K 20 to £K 25 over list , but I promise you this car will cost you less in depreciation over , say 3 years than the Turbo - you just need to re adjust your view on cost away from purchase price to monthly depreciation and you'll realise the GT3 , even over list , is the cheaper car . Also after driving both versions (991 Turbo S) , plus owning a 997.2 Turbo and a 991 GT3 - the GT3 is a far better car - the Turbo , is fast but boring in comparison , while the GT3 is a proper 911 - I've also owned a 991 S and again once you've driven a GT3 , there's no going back - I'll never buy another non GT 911 again - just my view though - either way , good luck.
Re lead time - Porsche tend to quote longer lead times than the ones that eventually materialise - I bet if you ordered now you'd get quoted something like September but it would arrive by June - ish .
I'd love to own a GT3, however what i may gain in overall depreciation i'd lose in practicality & i need the car to take an occasional rear seat passenger as well as a minimum every month a 450 mile round trip from West Lancs to Suffolk. Although we have a 2nd car, i'd be loathed to leave the GT3 at home for wife/baby use whilst i took the Countryman for my commute. Also even though the extra £25k in the grand scheme of things doesn't sound a huge amount, it would be a real push to afford & paying that much over list would always grate on me.Re lead time - Porsche tend to quote longer lead times than the ones that eventually materialise - I bet if you ordered now you'd get quoted something like September but it would arrive by June - ish .
Saying that, they're an epic car & i had time in one at Spa in October (in fact their were several there).
I have also been looking at these and was quoted Sept 2016 delivery, depreciation will certainly be heavy but over 4/5 years it should level out. In terms of speed, as has been said it will be stunningly fast, I drove a 991.1 Turbo S and it was mental. I am in a similar position in that whilst a GT3 may be a better drivers car a Turbo S is more suited to my driving style and use case. My ideal spec was all Black with a few hints of yellow stitching to highlight the brake calipers. Tough choice between that and a 570S but that would be more akin to a GT3 and not as usable day to day.
W8PMC said:
Unlikely i'd be keeping the car longer than 3yrs & would probably lease/contract hire or PCP it so had expected better residuals than 45% after 3yrs.
worst possible scenario from a depreciation perspective on a normal car (by which I mean a car not commanding a premium at launch which the turbo won't). Best timing is historically buy at 3 sell at 5.Had a play on the configurator, because its fun to dream, trying to be sensible my spec came out as:
Base price 911 Turbo S £ 145,773.00
Price for Equipment £ 5,813.00
Total Price* £ 151,586.00
Exterior Colour Black £ 0.00
Interior Colour Graphite Blue / Crayon two-tone leather interior £ 0.00
LED main headlights and PDLS+ £ 336.00
Electrically folding exterior mirrors £ 0.00
20-inch Sport Classic wheels Exclusive £ 0.00
Speed limit display £ 284.00
Light design package £ 300.00
Heated multifunction steering wheel £ 0.00
Seat heating £ 0.00
Seat ventilation £ 720.00
Floor mats £ 122.00
Sun visors in leather £ 279.00
Crest on headrests £ 138.00
Inner door sill guards in leather £ 680.00
Burmester® High-End Surround Sound-System £ 2,024.00
TV Tuner £ 930.00 (frivolous perhaps)
Was quite surprised you could actually add some items for free!
Might have gone for black leather inside in which case I would spec yellow stitching and yellow seatbelts
Base price 911 Turbo S £ 145,773.00
Price for Equipment £ 5,813.00
Total Price* £ 151,586.00
Exterior Colour Black £ 0.00
Interior Colour Graphite Blue / Crayon two-tone leather interior £ 0.00
LED main headlights and PDLS+ £ 336.00
Electrically folding exterior mirrors £ 0.00
20-inch Sport Classic wheels Exclusive £ 0.00
Speed limit display £ 284.00
Light design package £ 300.00
Heated multifunction steering wheel £ 0.00
Seat heating £ 0.00
Seat ventilation £ 720.00
Floor mats £ 122.00
Sun visors in leather £ 279.00
Crest on headrests £ 138.00
Inner door sill guards in leather £ 680.00
Burmester® High-End Surround Sound-System £ 2,024.00
TV Tuner £ 930.00 (frivolous perhaps)
Was quite surprised you could actually add some items for free!
Might have gone for black leather inside in which case I would spec yellow stitching and yellow seatbelts
It was just a personal choice, and yes actually if it was my own money I would maybe skip the inner door sills in leather as £680 is a rip off. I like the other two and they don;t add much cost be as you say each to their own.
I really like the sport classic wheels - haven't seen any on the flesh but they look a little like Fuchs. I find the standard centre locks spoke wheels a bit fussy and delicate
I really like the sport classic wheels - haven't seen any on the flesh but they look a little like Fuchs. I find the standard centre locks spoke wheels a bit fussy and delicate
So a £140k GT3 is stretching too far yet you are speccing a Turbo S (with ventilated seats, no less) for over £150K? A little confused...
The Turbo S has proven to be very fast on track. However, bear in mind it is a heavy thing. I wouldn't want to pound round in one all day.
I think it's great to fulfill a dream, but i'd at least test drive an existing car first. I think they are hugely competent things the new Turbos, but i couldn't help but feel i'd get bored of one. I suppose it depends what you're used to and what cars you've had building up to this.
If you wanted to compare finance deals, just for kicks, Porsche aren't the best with GT3s because they don't take into account the far superior residuals.
The Turbo S has proven to be very fast on track. However, bear in mind it is a heavy thing. I wouldn't want to pound round in one all day.
I think it's great to fulfill a dream, but i'd at least test drive an existing car first. I think they are hugely competent things the new Turbos, but i couldn't help but feel i'd get bored of one. I suppose it depends what you're used to and what cars you've had building up to this.
If you wanted to compare finance deals, just for kicks, Porsche aren't the best with GT3s because they don't take into account the far superior residuals.
W8PMC said:
I'd love to own a GT3, however what i may gain in overall depreciation i'd lose in practicality & i need the car to take an occasional rear seat passenger as well as a minimum every month a 450 mile round trip from West Lancs to Suffolk. Although we have a 2nd car, i'd be loathed to leave the GT3 at home for wife/baby use whilst i took the Countryman for my commute. Also even though the extra £25k in the grand scheme of things doesn't sound a huge amount, it would be a real push to afford & paying that much over list would always grate on me.
Saying that, they're an epic car & i had time in one at Spa in October (in fact their were several there).
Fair enough , just thought I'd point it out as I'm quite fond of them - good luck with your search Saying that, they're an epic car & i had time in one at Spa in October (in fact their were several there).
hondansx said:
So a £140k GT3 is stretching too far yet you are speccing a Turbo S (with ventilated seats, no less) for over £150K? A little confused...
The Turbo S has proven to be very fast on track. However, bear in mind it is a heavy thing. I wouldn't want to pound round in one all day.
I think it's great to fulfill a dream, but i'd at least test drive an existing car first. I think they are hugely competent things the new Turbos, but i couldn't help but feel i'd get bored of one. I suppose it depends what you're used to and what cars you've had building up to this.
If you wanted to compare finance deals, just for kicks, Porsche aren't the best with GT3s because they don't take into account the far superior residuals.
A £140k GT3 is probably stretching too far & it's Adam who's speccing the £150k Turbo S. That's also too rich for my blood so if something i do it would have to be a regular Turbo.The Turbo S has proven to be very fast on track. However, bear in mind it is a heavy thing. I wouldn't want to pound round in one all day.
I think it's great to fulfill a dream, but i'd at least test drive an existing car first. I think they are hugely competent things the new Turbos, but i couldn't help but feel i'd get bored of one. I suppose it depends what you're used to and what cars you've had building up to this.
If you wanted to compare finance deals, just for kicks, Porsche aren't the best with GT3s because they don't take into account the far superior residuals.
Adam B said:
worst possible scenario from a depreciation perspective on a normal car (by which I mean a car not commanding a premium at launch which the turbo won't). Best timing is historically buy at 3 sell at 5.
I realise that, but i'd not be buying a Turbo as a depreciation proof investment & i wouldn't want to buy a 3yr old one, was just hoping the Turbo would be better in the depreciation stakes than the performance saloons i've had to date.W8PMC said:
I realise that, but i'd not be buying a Turbo as a depreciation proof investment & i wouldn't want to buy a 3yr old one, was just hoping the Turbo would be better in the depreciation stakes than the performance saloons i've had to date.
Maybe take a look at a couple of the 991.1 turbos at OPCs - estimate list price incl options and see what OPC price is less £10k, gives you some idea of the curve.Spec an S like above and will buy it off you after 5 years for 50-60 if we aren't in another recession by then
Adam B said:
Maybe take a look at a couple of the 991.1 turbos at OPCs - estimate list price incl options and see what OPC price is less £10k, gives you some idea of the curve.
Spec an S like above and will buy it off you after 5 years for 50-60 if we aren't in another recession by then
I will be testing both models extensively before any order is placed & if the deal was right i'd certainly not dismiss a lightly used one, however i'd be unlikely to keep it longer than 2-3yrs & ideally would prefer new with a full Manufacturers warranty (i assume these are 3 yrs?).Spec an S like above and will buy it off you after 5 years for 50-60 if we aren't in another recession by then
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