997.2 Turbo PDK
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Although there may have been some high spec Turbos, with pccbs, IIRC it made more financial sense to go for the Turbo 'S' if you wanted all the toys, as the 'S' came with almost everything (inc pccbs) as standard.
Although the pccbs would definitely be worth having, I always thought the main attraction of the standard Turbo was the option to have the manual gearbox. PDK is fast, but the manual is more enjoyable, IMO.
Although the pccbs would definitely be worth having, I always thought the main attraction of the standard Turbo was the option to have the manual gearbox. PDK is fast, but the manual is more enjoyable, IMO.
Ive got a 997.2 PDK turbo with std brakes.
Haven't driven the 997.2 turbo back to back with a car with a 997 with ceramic brakes so can really make a fair comparisment. However driven in isolation they don't feel substantially different.
Would have bought a car with ceramic brakes, however having an aero kit and carbon fibre interior trim was on top of my priority list.
Not many 997.2 turbos with ceramic brakes.
May gave to go for a 997.2 turbo S if you want ceramic brakes
Hope that helps
Haven't driven the 997.2 turbo back to back with a car with a 997 with ceramic brakes so can really make a fair comparisment. However driven in isolation they don't feel substantially different.
Would have bought a car with ceramic brakes, however having an aero kit and carbon fibre interior trim was on top of my priority list.
Not many 997.2 turbos with ceramic brakes.
May gave to go for a 997.2 turbo S if you want ceramic brakes
Hope that helps
If you want PCCB (and they are great, I have them on my car and the stopping power is superior to anything else I have experienced), then go for a Turbo S as they are standard, as is sports chrono, you get 530 bhp rather than 500 and the extra torque is not just on overboost sports plus like on a Turbo it's there all the time in any mode. It's also a limited edition 2000 units worldwide (of which it's safe to say 1000-1200 would have landed in the US) so residual value wise it should do better also.
I've been following prices of 997.2 turbo and turbo s recently and there is a clear difference in price. The Turbo S does command a premium which is what you would expect from better specification from new, I am not sure there are less of them than standard 997.2 turbo, I read somewhere there are about the same number of each about 350 in coupe form in the UK. As previous posters have said, finding a standard turbo with PCCB will be a challenge and although may be cheaper than equivalent S I think the extra spec is probably worth the difference.
Production number wise the Turbo S is the by far the rarer and more exclusive car- 2000 manufactured for global supply.
I don't know the exact split between S/standard Turbo in the UK specifically, I think getting that sort of data would be a lot harder/less reliable, but again there are less S cars, going by numbers usually for sale via OPC and also the fact the S was introduced a bit later than the Gen 2 Turbo (2010 vs. 2009), plus the purchase price.
Re: The premium- In my opinion even on a new car back in 2010 it would have made sense, today on used cars when the premium is much smaller, sometimes negligible it's a no brainer to get the more powerful, limited edition model, better spec, and PCCB car which residual value wise will fare better, as it's the final 997 Turbo and top of the range car.
There are a lot of ways to buy a car- private sale, independent garage, independent specialist, OPC, over the course of a year looking for my car before I pulled the trigger early this year I often saw cars, same year, with roughly similar miles where the difference in price was easily worth it. There are a lot of factors, not just S or non S deciding price, e.g.- is warranty important to you, do you mind if a car has a few k more miles, do you have to have a specific colour/and or spec, do you want an early gen 2 Turbo S, or a later car e.g. 2012, are you in a hurry to buy or prepared to wait?
I personally wanted a very specific spec, colour and also as late a Turbo S as possible, so for me price was not the main consideration, so I waited a good while to get my perfect car.
If I was in the market today I would be looking at the Turbo S at H.R. Owen, looks like a stunning car!
I don't know the exact split between S/standard Turbo in the UK specifically, I think getting that sort of data would be a lot harder/less reliable, but again there are less S cars, going by numbers usually for sale via OPC and also the fact the S was introduced a bit later than the Gen 2 Turbo (2010 vs. 2009), plus the purchase price.
Re: The premium- In my opinion even on a new car back in 2010 it would have made sense, today on used cars when the premium is much smaller, sometimes negligible it's a no brainer to get the more powerful, limited edition model, better spec, and PCCB car which residual value wise will fare better, as it's the final 997 Turbo and top of the range car.
There are a lot of ways to buy a car- private sale, independent garage, independent specialist, OPC, over the course of a year looking for my car before I pulled the trigger early this year I often saw cars, same year, with roughly similar miles where the difference in price was easily worth it. There are a lot of factors, not just S or non S deciding price, e.g.- is warranty important to you, do you mind if a car has a few k more miles, do you have to have a specific colour/and or spec, do you want an early gen 2 Turbo S, or a later car e.g. 2012, are you in a hurry to buy or prepared to wait?
I personally wanted a very specific spec, colour and also as late a Turbo S as possible, so for me price was not the main consideration, so I waited a good while to get my perfect car.
If I was in the market today I would be looking at the Turbo S at H.R. Owen, looks like a stunning car!
^^ Does look good, black/black & cream two tone with PCCB is a nice spec, looks like a nice example.
Adaptive sports seats and extended leather are great options too have as well.
Lacks carbon fibre pack, and does not have the rs spyder alloys (centre lock) which are stunning. It's got the standard Turbo wheels which I would not want on a Turbo S ideally! Also lacks the aero kit- just a personal thing but for me it totally transforms the car and on a S in particular a must have to make it stand out that little bit more from the average 911, it is a super car after all. It was a £5,600 option though, which explains why it's quite rare.
Adaptive sports seats and extended leather are great options too have as well.
Lacks carbon fibre pack, and does not have the rs spyder alloys (centre lock) which are stunning. It's got the standard Turbo wheels which I would not want on a Turbo S ideally! Also lacks the aero kit- just a personal thing but for me it totally transforms the car and on a S in particular a must have to make it stand out that little bit more from the average 911, it is a super car after all. It was a £5,600 option though, which explains why it's quite rare.
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Chad_Hugo said:
Production number wise the Turbo S is the by far the rarer and more exclusive car- 2000 manufactured for global supply.
I don't know the exact split between S/standard Turbo in the UK specifically, I think getting that sort of data would be a lot harder/less reliable, but again there are less S cars, going by numbers usually for sale via OPC and also the fact the S was introduced a bit later than the Gen 2 Turbo (2010 vs. 2009), plus the purchase price.
Re: The premium- In my opinion even on a new car back in 2010 it would have made sense, today on used cars when the premium is much smaller, sometimes negligible it's a no brainer to get the more powerful, limited edition model, better spec, and PCCB car which residual value wise will fare better, as it's the final 997 Turbo and top of the range car.
There are a lot of ways to buy a car- private sale, independent garage, independent specialist, OPC, over the course of a year looking for my car before I pulled the trigger early this year I often saw cars, same year, with roughly similar miles where the difference in price was easily worth it. There are a lot of factors, not just S or non S deciding price, e.g.- is warranty important to you, do you mind if a car has a few k more miles, do you have to have a specific colour/and or spec, do you want an early gen 2 Turbo S, or a later car e.g. 2012, are you in a hurry to buy or prepared to wait?
I personally wanted a very specific spec, colour and also as late a Turbo S as possible, so for me price was not the main consideration, so I waited a good while to get my perfect car.
If I was in the market today I would be looking at the Turbo S at H.R. Owen, looks like a stunning car!
I bought the HR Owen car on Monday and collect it tomorrow morning...excited is an understatementI don't know the exact split between S/standard Turbo in the UK specifically, I think getting that sort of data would be a lot harder/less reliable, but again there are less S cars, going by numbers usually for sale via OPC and also the fact the S was introduced a bit later than the Gen 2 Turbo (2010 vs. 2009), plus the purchase price.
Re: The premium- In my opinion even on a new car back in 2010 it would have made sense, today on used cars when the premium is much smaller, sometimes negligible it's a no brainer to get the more powerful, limited edition model, better spec, and PCCB car which residual value wise will fare better, as it's the final 997 Turbo and top of the range car.
There are a lot of ways to buy a car- private sale, independent garage, independent specialist, OPC, over the course of a year looking for my car before I pulled the trigger early this year I often saw cars, same year, with roughly similar miles where the difference in price was easily worth it. There are a lot of factors, not just S or non S deciding price, e.g.- is warranty important to you, do you mind if a car has a few k more miles, do you have to have a specific colour/and or spec, do you want an early gen 2 Turbo S, or a later car e.g. 2012, are you in a hurry to buy or prepared to wait?
I personally wanted a very specific spec, colour and also as late a Turbo S as possible, so for me price was not the main consideration, so I waited a good while to get my perfect car.
If I was in the market today I would be looking at the Turbo S at H.R. Owen, looks like a stunning car!
Enjoy in good health,it's a special car and looked stunning in the pictures! One of the best one's I have seen advertised...
Mine is a very similar spec Nov 2012- aero kit, carbon pack, carbon door entry guards, clear rear lights, rs spyder alloys in black, extended leather, leather centre console, adaptive sports seats, sunroof etc etc.
Mine's solid black (rare colour, get's a much deeper shine than metallic black).
Mine is a very similar spec Nov 2012- aero kit, carbon pack, carbon door entry guards, clear rear lights, rs spyder alloys in black, extended leather, leather centre console, adaptive sports seats, sunroof etc etc.
Mine's solid black (rare colour, get's a much deeper shine than metallic black).
Edited by Chad_Hugo on Saturday 31st October 01:26
m33ufo said:
W1TAK said:
I bought the HR Owen car on Monday and collect it tomorrow morning...excited is an understatement
Looks a beauty. Congrats. 
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