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griggsy2 said:
Cheers all, and nice to see some of your cars!
To answer your question Digga, mostly road/show but probably a couple of track days if I can. Not looking to win those, rather just to let it loose and see what that feels like. Not intending on big mileage, probably 1-2k/year which I feel cars need, so not really in the market for those with a premium because they've got delivery miles, I'll change that pretty quickly.
Would like a 4.0 as a 'thing' but think the 3.8 is the one I've settled on as a 'thing' I can use and enjoy. If I can find a good one at a good price.
I think, for your use, it's almost the perfect choice. To answer your question Digga, mostly road/show but probably a couple of track days if I can. Not looking to win those, rather just to let it loose and see what that feels like. Not intending on big mileage, probably 1-2k/year which I feel cars need, so not really in the market for those with a premium because they've got delivery miles, I'll change that pretty quickly.
Would like a 4.0 as a 'thing' but think the 3.8 is the one I've settled on as a 'thing' I can use and enjoy. If I can find a good one at a good price.
Not that a car should ever been seen as an 'investment'. They all have the capacity to generate bills and, with the present ICE situation, no long term future is certain, but I do think these cars will continue to stand above both 991 and 992 RS models, just because. Check out prices in USA.
LemonTart said:
griggsy2 said:
Indeed, but what that buys can vary and not always obvious. i.e pulled out a ditch, crash repaired, track vs road miles, poorly maintained, not warmed up/down, etc.
Add Over revs to that list... Digga said:
Jim1556 said:
Dr S said:
Ended up with a 3.8 in white/red which I got second hand when they hit bottom of the market.
I remember a grey/red one for sale at Leeds OPC for £89;995 around 10 years ago, if they'd stayed around that value I'd be aiming for one. Sadly now, they're a lottery win away...A mate who has a 4.0 says they're not (strictly) worth it. Easy for him to say.
It's amazing the price difference between the 997 generation RS', I was offered a reasonable (circa 45k) mileage one for under £100k before xmas last year (I should have bought it really), and my mates orange one is available for under £120k and that's about as mint as it came out of the factory.
The bigger, torquier engines definitely offer more so I see the appeal in the 3.8 but I find the purer looks of the .1 more appealing and the money saved buys a lot of adventures.
I can't quite imagine a world where the 997.1 RS is so undervalued for so long but then we've been waiting for the 996 GT3 to go up for years as well.
The bigger, torquier engines definitely offer more so I see the appeal in the 3.8 but I find the purer looks of the .1 more appealing and the money saved buys a lot of adventures.
I can't quite imagine a world where the 997.1 RS is so undervalued for so long but then we've been waiting for the 996 GT3 to go up for years as well.
Digga said:
IMHO there’s just something so pure and perfect about the lines of a nice 996 GT3.
Agreed, I've often argued the parallels between it and the 964 RS and not just the unloved status of both for so long. It's also comfortably the smallest of the GT3s but none of them are that big(Obviously not the purest of pure this example
)GTRene said:
you also can choose for a 3.8 GT3 RS 997.2 those have 450hp and way cheaper then a 4.0 but not way slower, some come up for a good price, but hen go pretty fast, others say 30-40k more same-ish car same-ish km, those take longer to sell, but are still reasonable priced compared to almost or + double that 4.0 RS
A gt2 is nothing like a gt3 and no 997 gt2 will ever really be a substitute if someone wants a 7.2rs whether 4.0 or 3.8.And easy to say or not, as digga as said above (and I can't think of which dimwit might have told him that
), the 4.0 'correct' worth over the 3.8 was probably far more accurately reflected by the difference in list prices at the time than what has subsequently come about. In today's world (and unfortunately for quite a while), it is the XXX/600 plate rather for any meaningful intrinsic mechanical improvement one is paying that more than slightly ludicrous premium......isaldiri said:
A gt2 is nothing like a gt3 and no 997 gt2 will ever really be a substitute if someone wants a 7.2rs whether 4.0 or 3.8.
And easy to say or not, as digga as said above (and I can't think of which dimwit might have told him that ), the 4.0 'correct' worth over the 3.8 was probably far more accurately reflected by the difference in list prices at the time than what has subsequently come about. In today's world (and unfortunately for quite a while), it is the XXX/600 plate rather for any meaningful intrinsic mechanical improvement one is paying that more than slightly ludicrous premium......
Sorry I've had a drink watching the election-I don't mean to sound confrontational but what do you mean?And easy to say or not, as digga as said above (and I can't think of which dimwit might have told him that
), the 4.0 'correct' worth over the 3.8 was probably far more accurately reflected by the difference in list prices at the time than what has subsequently come about. In today's world (and unfortunately for quite a while), it is the XXX/600 plate rather for any meaningful intrinsic mechanical improvement one is paying that more than slightly ludicrous premium......A 4.0 is only worth x over a 3.8 v the +/- £? If so the same could be said v the 997.1 RS?
PRO5T said:
Sorry I've had a drink watching the election-I don't mean to sound confrontational but what do you mean?
A 4.0 is only worth x over a 3.8 v the +/- £? If so the same could be said v the 997.1 RS?
Imo, the 7.1rs is the 'weakest' rs offering vs the gt3 out of any of them. The difference between 7.1 and 7.2rs is far more justified than 7.2rs to 4.0 for me anyway. A 4.0 is only worth x over a 3.8 v the +/- £? If so the same could be said v the 997.1 RS?
isaldiri said:
PRO5T said:
Sorry I've had a drink watching the election-I don't mean to sound confrontational but what do you mean?
A 4.0 is only worth x over a 3.8 v the +/- £? If so the same could be said v the 997.1 RS?
Imo, the 7.1rs is the 'weakest' rs offering vs the gt3 out of any of them. The difference between 7.1 and 7.2rs is far more justified than 7.2rs to 4.0 for me anyway. A 4.0 is only worth x over a 3.8 v the +/- £? If so the same could be said v the 997.1 RS?
PRO5T said:
Ah got you and can see where you're coming from but respectfully disagree. I won't argue the 997.1 RS is the weakest RS of them all, all the others got more special bits above the standard GT3 but the 4.0 is special personified.
Mainly because of the numbered plate and the claim as being the last mezger.....isaldiri said:
PRO5T said:
Ah got you and can see where you're coming from but respectfully disagree. I won't argue the 997.1 RS is the weakest RS of them all, all the others got more special bits above the standard GT3 but the 4.0 is special personified.
Mainly because of the numbered plate and the claim as being the last mezger.....Plus the torque of a 3.8 above a 3.6-then you make it 4.0... Big difference.
PRO5T said:
isaldiri said:
PRO5T said:
Ah got you and can see where you're coming from but respectfully disagree. I won't argue the 997.1 RS is the weakest RS of them all, all the others got more special bits above the standard GT3 but the 4.0 is special personified.
Mainly because of the numbered plate and the claim as being the last mezger.....Plus the torque of a 3.8 above a 3.6-then you make it 4.0... Big difference.
Digga said:
ittle touches on the 4.0, like the entire front wings being made from carbon fibre by a small firm in the UK who usually build transatlantic racing yachts. There’s a lot of little things like that.
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