what is an 'early' 3.4 996?

[WojaWabbit]

Slippydiff said:

Having an airbag warning light illuminated indicates a fault with the airbag or airbag electronics = MOT failure.

The fitment of a non-airbag steering wheel which does not display an airbag warning light should NOT result in an MOT failure, though according to many in PH there is now legislation in place which states that the fitment of a non-airbag steering wheel to a vehicle originally fitted with a steering wheel airbag by the manufacturer, should be classed as an MOT failure.
However my car car passed its MOT with a non-airbag wheel, and I asked specifically before booking the car in for its MOT, if I needed to refit the original wheel. I was told not.

Edited by Slippydiff on Monday 3rd June 11:42

The many on PH are correct. Should be a fail. Rarely, if ever, actually is.

[WojaWabbit]

Wobbly throttle pedal - is the Rennline billet hinge the default repair, or are there other/better options?

https://www.rennline.com/rennline-billet-gas-pedal...

[BandOfBrothers]

WojaWabbit said:

Slippydiff said:

Having an airbag warning light illuminated indicates a fault with the airbag or airbag electronics = MOT failure.

The fitment of a non-airbag steering wheel which does not display an airbag warning light should NOT result in an MOT failure, though according to many in PH there is now legislation in place which states that the fitment of a non-airbag steering wheel to a vehicle originally fitted with a steering wheel airbag by the manufacturer, should be classed as an MOT failure.
However my car car passed its MOT with a non-airbag wheel, and I asked specifically before booking the car in for its MOT, if I needed to refit the original wheel. I was told not.

Edited by Slippydiff on Monday 3rd June 11:42

The many on PH are correct. Should be a fail. Rarely, if ever, actually is.

How would the MOT inspector know whether a steering wheel airbag was originally fitted to the car?

GT2 / GT3 cars didn't have them, IIRC?

[Slippydiff]

BandOfBrothers said:

How would the MOT inspector know whether a steering wheel airbag was originally fitted to the car?

GT2 / GT3 cars didn't have them, IIRC?

All 996 GT2 and GT3 road cars were equipped with airbag wheels, including the GT3 and GT2 Clubsports and the RS.

[Filibuster]

BandOfBrothers said:

How would the MOT inspector know whether a steering wheel airbag was originally fitted to the car?

GT2 / GT3 cars didn't have them, IIRC?

I know the MOT in the uk is different the the german TÜV or swiss MFK, but here on the continent, every tester has all the data from the type approval either on his computer/tablet or as it has been in the old days, in large folders.

Every data from the C.o.C. (certificate of conformity), incl. if the car was equipped with airbags, is known to the tester. Do uk MOT tester not have access to this data?

Also, if a tester didn‘t pick up such a thing, doesn‘t make if legal. In case of a road side control, or worse, in case of an accident and it‘s following investigation, you don‘t get a pass when the tester hasn‘t noticed such a modification. (Again, speaking from a german/swiss pov)

[Chris Stott]

Would be an immediate fail here in Spain.

[ATM]

Hartech 3.9
Giro discs
Ducktail
No centre caps

35 grand



https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/335428793758

[Chris Stott]

That’s exceptionally nice… at a price.

[ATM]

I think I remember it for sale after Covid without the new wheels, ducktail and stripes. Suspect the current guy bought it like that then added these new features. Looks expensive given current market dynamics. Will be interesting if it sells soon. I've been having dark and scary thoughts about selling 1 of mine. Maybe even both of them.

[Slippydiff]

Ditch the side stripes and wheels (and the ducktail for the full-on Q-car look) and you've got a far more daily drivable (and practical) 996 GT3 "Lite"/Touring for £32.5K ('m guessing the vendor would value the wheels at £2-3k) I'd say it's very reasonably priced for what it is.
Shame it's Basalt black ...

[MrBen.911]

That is stunning, can't think of much else I would do to that, although my 997 seats would go in!

At the other extreme of 996 pricing, this looks a good project for somebody so long as it's not rotten - C2, long term current owner, bit scruffy etc. https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202406060...

[BandOfBrothers]

351bhp and 318 lbs from £23k of engine work would leave me disappointed if it were mine?

I thought these 3.9L would be pushing closer to 375 bhp - the standard 3.4L is 300 bhp. 50 bhp from a 0.5L capacity increase seems light?

And the 997.2S 3.8 bhp puts out 350 bhp?

[FriedMarsBar]

There's a very nice looking Manual Speed Yellow 996 on Bonhams finishing at 13:30 today.
https://carsonline.bonhams.com/en/listings/porsche...

Some blurb:
Gen 2, 3.6 Engine
Major Service in May 2024
24-Stamp Service History
New M030 Bilstein B4 Dampers
Six-Speed Manual
Mileage: 124000 Miles

This car sold for £15K!!!! it looks in very good condition and a great colour

Edited by FriedMarsBar on Friday 7th June 13:34

[Porsche-worm]

BandOfBrothers said:

351bhp and 318 lbs from £23k of engine work would leave me disappointed if it were mine?

I thought these 3.9L would be pushing closer to 375 bhp - the standard 3.4L is 300 bhp. 50 bhp from a 0.5L capacity increase seems light?

And the 997.2S 3.8 bhp puts out 350 bhp?

The 3.8 in the 997.2 delivered 385ps (380hp) while with some improvements the same unit made 400ps (395hp) in the 991.1. So yes the 351hp from a 3.9 seems conservative, lets not forget a 3.8ltr Mezger lump in the 997.2 GT3RS delivered 450ps with the 4ltr version at 500ps.

For 23k i would have hoped for more as well.

[brake fader]

MrBen.911 said:

That is stunning, can't think of much else I would do to that, although my 997 seats would go in!

At the other extreme of 996 pricing, this looks a good project for somebody so long as it's not rotten - C2, long term current owner, bit scruffy etc. https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202406060...

this is a good buy if the shell has no rust or rot, get a harteck engine rebuild good car for 20k

[FriedMarsBar]

Porsche-worm said:

The 3.8 in the 997.2 delivered 385ps (380hp) while with some improvements the same unit made 400ps (395hp) in the 991.1. So yes the 351hp from a 3.9 seems conservative, lets not forget a 3.8ltr Mezger lump in the 997.2 GT3RS delivered 450ps with the 4ltr version at 500ps.

For 23k i would have hoped for more as well.

Aren't the DFI engines VERY different to the M96M97 engines which means the design of the M96/M7 engines, with 3 and 5 chains, is the limting factor and not the capacity of the cylinders?

Edited by FriedMarsBar on Friday 7th June 15:45

[nosavings]

shalmaneser said:

stretcher said:

shalmaneser said:

So recently my car has started doing the double beep after locking (normally some time after locking, 20-30 seconds or so.

Hooked my Autel ap200 up to it and it looks like there is a code 34 'passenger compartment monitoring sensor'

I guess this is the IR movement sensor? Anyone seen something similar at all? Any ideas on resolution? Car locks and unlocks fine so it's an annoyance only really but would like it to not happen!

Does it not set the alarm off after a while.? Mine does this and sets the alarm off after a while. Mine has also been diagnosed as my passenger door lock.
I really must get round to fixing it....!

Nope just beeps and then seems fine.

A lot of people talking about door locks so will look more closely at this...

Just had my driver’s side door look replaced last week due to a similar issue. Mine used to beep either. At locking or unlocking (sporadically) for many months and also at first beep it was not locking the central lock. Eventually, one day the car stayed unlocked for couple of days in the garage and drained the battery. Apparently this caused damage to the battery itself and kept draining it down so in couple of days I got stuck in an IKEA parking lot, not being able to start the car with a sleeping toddler inside. Called the emergency assistance and they confirmed battery is not getting full charge.

Local specialist checked the car with the scanner and showed that drivers door lock is giving faulty signals, most likely a dead microswitch inside.

Long story short: new door lock, new battery and no more beeps. Next step is to remove the non-factory alarm system from the early 2000s just to be sure.

[jamsp00n]

BandOfBrothers said:

351bhp and 318 lbs from £23k of engine work would leave me disappointed if it were mine?

I thought these 3.9L would be pushing closer to 375 bhp - the standard 3.4L is 300 bhp. 50 bhp from a 0.5L capacity increase seems light?

And the 997.2S 3.8 bhp puts out 350 bhp?

300hp from a 3.4 is 88hp/l. So, an increase to 3.9 with the same specific output gets you to 344hp. The 996.2 3.6 is a tiny bit better and gets you to 347hp with an increase to 3.9 and maintaining specific output. So, the Hartech build, assuming accurate figures, is doing slightly better than the factory engine for power-per-litre.

It's still a lot of money, obviously, but a genuine 350hp would be a pretty good real-world result, I'd say. You'd need to be doing quite a bit more than just increasing the capacity to expect something a lot higher. What a Mezger makes or a 9A1 (actually 430 PS for the highest output 9A1 Powerkit 3.8 in the 991.1) I don't think is hugely relevant, they're just totally different engines.

[Slippydiff]

BandOfBrothers said:

351bhp and 318 lbs from £23k of engine work would leave me disappointed if it were mine?

I thought these 3.9L would be pushing closer to 375 bhp - the standard 3.4L is 300 bhp. 50 bhp from a 0.5L capacity increase seems light?

And the 997.2S 3.8 bhp puts out 350 bhp?

That’s 351hp from a 996.2 3.6 which produces 320hp stock. So actually just a 30hp gain. Their 3.4 litre to 3.7 conversions produce 320-330hp.

But their engines produce decent torque increases (and there’s a couple of really healthy 3.9 996.2 ‘s that produce 365hp and 330 torques) A combination of torque and power that would make for a very quick little car.


Hence my comments that the black car would make for a good 996 GT3 Lite/Touring road car. And though it’s heresy to say as much on PH, the 3.9 engine would make for a more relevant and useable power unit on our roads today.

The Gen 2 997 3.8 S engine produces 385hp, and in powerkit form 408hp. Though the standard engine can be easily uncorked with a decent set of manifolds, high flow cats and exhaust boxes. And if you want to further increase it’s responsiveness, fit a lightweight single-mass flywheel, then garnish with a decent live remap and you’ll be looking at 415hp.

[barryrs]

FriedMarsBar said:

There's a very nice looking Manual Speed Yellow 996 on Bonhams finishing at 13:30 today.
https://carsonline.bonhams.com/en/listings/porsche...

Some blurb:
Gen 2, 3.6 Engine
Major Service in May 2024
24-Stamp Service History
New M030 Bilstein B4 Dampers
Six-Speed Manual
Mileage: 124000 Miles

This car sold for £15K!!!! it looks in very good condition and a great colour

Edited by FriedMarsBar on Friday 7th June 13:34

If I’d known it would sell for that, I would have been tempted to bid!