Discussion
Yellow491 said:
There are loads of rs for sale plus extras coming through,the new market/selling price still with 50 overs, has potentially sold at £299.99,which is great news for the flippers and sharks not, one still advertised at 450k
Probably going to be more cars than the 991rs models that was built in record numbers.
Yes the cars are made to flip . once the "influencer " hype dies down the moment is lost. I was asked to use mine by the salesman but that appears not to be the ideal and my friends that flipped their, all have got the latest cars ..... again to do 500 miles in and I guess flip . But it makes sense . Probably going to be more cars than the 991rs models that was built in record numbers.And all well run-in cars I'm sure.
I saw a GT4RS in Leeds OPC with 250 miles on the clock. Looking inside the rear wheels I noticed the sticky pads for the original wheel balancing ... the sales person did not want to believe that the rear tyres had been replaced .... maybe he will tell service to clean them off next time !
I saw a GT4RS in Leeds OPC with 250 miles on the clock. Looking inside the rear wheels I noticed the sticky pads for the original wheel balancing ... the sales person did not want to believe that the rear tyres had been replaced .... maybe he will tell service to clean them off next time !
MarkM3Evoplus said:
I'll bet you can download all the max rev etc from the ECU. I would definitely want to see that if a car was traded in so early!!
No one buying a car to flip is going to have followed the running in procedure... of that you can be sure, and this where the problem lies with low mile cars with 3 or 4+ owners... you have to assume that they've all driven it like they stole it. PRO 5T said:
That's a shame Tim, the black and red colour scheme was lovely. The cost of some of the new GT parts is getting prohibitive for owners on track, I was in a Porsche workshop yesterday that had a 991.2 GT3 RS in for some very, very minor body work due to a gravel trap excursion.
The one new body part it needed was £15k to buy new from Porsche.
Wow what was that a front PU ......The one new body part it needed was £15k to buy new from Porsche.
Scary cost of parts , the way manufacturers make money I guess
hunter 66 said:
PRO 5T said:
That's a shame Tim, the black and red colour scheme was lovely. The cost of some of the new GT parts is getting prohibitive for owners on track, I was in a Porsche workshop yesterday that had a 991.2 GT3 RS in for some very, very minor body work due to a gravel trap excursion.
The one new body part it needed was £15k to buy new from Porsche.
Wow what was that a front PU ......The one new body part it needed was £15k to buy new from Porsche.
Scary cost of parts , the way manufacturers make money I guess
FASTANDLOOSE said:
Hi all, many interesting comments on here, some bang on and many way off so here's why I didn't keep my RS...
Firstly I consider myself extremely lucky to have been given an allocation and my plan was to track the hell out of it, just like my previous GT cars, and enjoy the ultimate 911 experiance and the closest thing you could get to a street legal Cup race car but road legal. Porsche Preston, who I have been doing events and trackdays with for a couple of years now were fabulous. There was never a suggestion of me giving the car back to them, splitting a profit or anything at all underhand. They were happy for me to have the car and enjoy it and whilst I don't deny that some OPC's have been far less honest, I had no such discussions with Preston at all. The car should have arrived in March '23 but was delayed due to supply chain issues meaning I didn't finally take delivery until September. In the meantime and so as not to miss all summer's events I purchased a used GT3 from Preston and had the full Manthey kit installed. I paid a considerable premium over list for the car as this was the norm at the time and I needed a car for the events I had in my diary.
By the time the RS was ready for collection I had already had first hand experiance of driving two RS cars on track whilst at the same time absolutely loving my GT3 MR. I have always self insured my car on trackdays but with values close to £400k at the time I would have been a fool not to insure my RS for track use. Quotes were almost impossible to get and when I did obtain one it was £2,600 per day... It was also impossible to get the fastest tyres, Michelin Cup 2 R tyres which were unavailable at the time. I would also have slashed the value of the car by heavy track use and for what...? Just to show off I had the latest toy? The RS is not significantly faster, better than my GT3 MR and on standard tyres against my GT3 MR on Cup 2 R tyres, it's no faster at all. I also found some of the added technology on the RS very 'gimmiky' and not to my liking. Add in the impracticality of it and the fact my GT3 MR has now lost approx £50k in value and it made no financial or performance reason to keep the RS. I think the actual cost of running an RS on track is why they are mostly seen at coffee mornings and car meets as you need to be seriously wealthy to run an RS on track, tyres, insurance, depreciation etc and I sadly am not in that bracket. To all those that say these cars should be sold to enthusiasts who will use them I would say the ordinary person couldn't and wouldn't track it until such time as values come down to previous GT levels of premium.
So, the final part of the story is that I explained to Preston my thinking and they were good enough to buy the car back from me. It is not being sold for a profit split or so I get another allocation or any such deal. I did not take the car to Tom Hartley or similar as I felt it should go back to the supplying OPC to sell to the next keeper. Yes I made a profit on the car but this will only offset some of the losses I have incurred on previous Porsche's I have owned and on my current GT3.
I hope this goes some way to explaining why I sold the RS. I will carry on enjoying my GT3 MR this year as quite frankly it's as fast as I ever need to go on track, practical, good looking and I can also enjoy it on the road without standing out like a sore thumb.
Cheers, Tim Harvey.
I'm still curious to know why you removed all trace of the car from your socials (which you did at the very same time it was listed by Preston)...?Firstly I consider myself extremely lucky to have been given an allocation and my plan was to track the hell out of it, just like my previous GT cars, and enjoy the ultimate 911 experiance and the closest thing you could get to a street legal Cup race car but road legal. Porsche Preston, who I have been doing events and trackdays with for a couple of years now were fabulous. There was never a suggestion of me giving the car back to them, splitting a profit or anything at all underhand. They were happy for me to have the car and enjoy it and whilst I don't deny that some OPC's have been far less honest, I had no such discussions with Preston at all. The car should have arrived in March '23 but was delayed due to supply chain issues meaning I didn't finally take delivery until September. In the meantime and so as not to miss all summer's events I purchased a used GT3 from Preston and had the full Manthey kit installed. I paid a considerable premium over list for the car as this was the norm at the time and I needed a car for the events I had in my diary.
By the time the RS was ready for collection I had already had first hand experiance of driving two RS cars on track whilst at the same time absolutely loving my GT3 MR. I have always self insured my car on trackdays but with values close to £400k at the time I would have been a fool not to insure my RS for track use. Quotes were almost impossible to get and when I did obtain one it was £2,600 per day... It was also impossible to get the fastest tyres, Michelin Cup 2 R tyres which were unavailable at the time. I would also have slashed the value of the car by heavy track use and for what...? Just to show off I had the latest toy? The RS is not significantly faster, better than my GT3 MR and on standard tyres against my GT3 MR on Cup 2 R tyres, it's no faster at all. I also found some of the added technology on the RS very 'gimmiky' and not to my liking. Add in the impracticality of it and the fact my GT3 MR has now lost approx £50k in value and it made no financial or performance reason to keep the RS. I think the actual cost of running an RS on track is why they are mostly seen at coffee mornings and car meets as you need to be seriously wealthy to run an RS on track, tyres, insurance, depreciation etc and I sadly am not in that bracket. To all those that say these cars should be sold to enthusiasts who will use them I would say the ordinary person couldn't and wouldn't track it until such time as values come down to previous GT levels of premium.
So, the final part of the story is that I explained to Preston my thinking and they were good enough to buy the car back from me. It is not being sold for a profit split or so I get another allocation or any such deal. I did not take the car to Tom Hartley or similar as I felt it should go back to the supplying OPC to sell to the next keeper. Yes I made a profit on the car but this will only offset some of the losses I have incurred on previous Porsche's I have owned and on my current GT3.
I hope this goes some way to explaining why I sold the RS. I will carry on enjoying my GT3 MR this year as quite frankly it's as fast as I ever need to go on track, practical, good looking and I can also enjoy it on the road without standing out like a sore thumb.
Cheers, Tim Harvey.
FASTANDLOOSE said:
.... I consider myself extremely lucky to have been given an allocation and my plan was to track the hell out of it...
...I would also have slashed the value of the car by heavy track use and for what...? Just to show off I had the latest toy? ...
Surely the costs of heavy track use would have been considered before the order was placed?...I would also have slashed the value of the car by heavy track use and for what...? Just to show off I had the latest toy? ...
PRO 5T said:
hunter 66 said:
PRO 5T said:
That's a shame Tim, the black and red colour scheme was lovely. The cost of some of the new GT parts is getting prohibitive for owners on track, I was in a Porsche workshop yesterday that had a 991.2 GT3 RS in for some very, very minor body work due to a gravel trap excursion.
The one new body part it needed was £15k to buy new from Porsche.
Wow what was that a front PU ......The one new body part it needed was £15k to buy new from Porsche.
Scary cost of parts , the way manufacturers make money I guess
skidding into barrier on M4 in a sudden, heavy downpour of hail/sleet.IRRC front bumper, headlamp and a bit of fix for tub around the frunk lid cost near on £50k. 'Spensive stuff this cardboard fibre.
Digga said:
Someone else on here who will remain nameless crashed their new 991.2 GT3 RS WP just weeks after delivery and only a few weeks before the annual RS track day skidding into barrier on M4 in a sudden, heavy downpour of hail/sleet.
IRRC front bumper, headlamp and a bit of fix for tub around the frunk lid cost near on £50k. 'Spensive stuff this cardboard fibre.
Yep! skidding into barrier on M4 in a sudden, heavy downpour of hail/sleet.IRRC front bumper, headlamp and a bit of fix for tub around the frunk lid cost near on £50k. 'Spensive stuff this cardboard fibre.
TDT said:
Digga said:
Someone else on here who will remain nameless crashed their new 991.2 GT3 RS WP just weeks after delivery and only a few weeks before the annual RS track day skidding into barrier on M4 in a sudden, heavy downpour of hail/sleet.
IRRC front bumper, headlamp and a bit of fix for tub around the frunk lid cost near on £50k. 'Spensive stuff this cardboard fibre.
Yep! skidding into barrier on M4 in a sudden, heavy downpour of hail/sleet.IRRC front bumper, headlamp and a bit of fix for tub around the frunk lid cost near on £50k. 'Spensive stuff this cardboard fibre.
Digga said:
And Manthey underbody aero fins make excellent ploughs.
lol, no point in it just being parked up, so driven, irrespective, and I can relax now as pre-season prep all complete.Cup 2 still work just fine, in what many people would think are less than optimal, as you know: just drive according to the conditions.
TDT said:
Digga said:
And Manthey underbody aero fins make excellent ploughs.
lol, no point in it just being parked up, so driven, irrespective, and I can relax now as pre-season prep all complete.Cup 2 still work just fine, in what many people would think are less than optimal, as you know: just drive according to the conditions.
TDT said:
Nurburgsingh said:
Digga said:
Just remember, Nurburgsingh's meet up is not a ploughing match. Stay off the grass!
It is early spring so and those pesky Wabbits can still make a proper mess of your splitter!!! 
Cup car splitters are just as effective! Lol.
FASTANDLOOSE said:
Hi all, many interesting comments on here, some bang on and many way off so here's why I didn't keep my RS...
Firstly I consider myself extremely lucky to have been given an allocation and my plan was to track the hell out of it, just like my previous GT cars, and enjoy the ultimate 911 experiance and the closest thing you could get to a street legal Cup race car but road legal. Porsche Preston, who I have been doing events and trackdays with for a couple of years now were fabulous. There was never a suggestion of me giving the car back to them, splitting a profit or anything at all underhand. They were happy for me to have the car and enjoy it and whilst I don't deny that some OPC's have been far less honest, I had no such discussions with Preston at all. The car should have arrived in March '23 but was delayed due to supply chain issues meaning I didn't finally take delivery until September. In the meantime and so as not to miss all summer's events I purchased a used GT3 from Preston and had the full Manthey kit installed. I paid a considerable premium over list for the car as this was the norm at the time and I needed a car for the events I had in my diary.
By the time the RS was ready for collection I had already had first hand experiance of driving two RS cars on track whilst at the same time absolutely loving my GT3 MR. I have always self insured my car on trackdays but with values close to £400k at the time I would have been a fool not to insure my RS for track use. Quotes were almost impossible to get and when I did obtain one it was £2,600 per day... It was also impossible to get the fastest tyres, Michelin Cup 2 R tyres which were unavailable at the time. I would also have slashed the value of the car by heavy track use and for what...? Just to show off I had the latest toy? The RS is not significantly faster, better than my GT3 MR and on standard tyres against my GT3 MR on Cup 2 R tyres, it's no faster at all. I also found some of the added technology on the RS very 'gimmiky' and not to my liking. Add in the impracticality of it and the fact my GT3 MR has now lost approx £50k in value and it made no financial or performance reason to keep the RS. I think the actual cost of running an RS on track is why they are mostly seen at coffee mornings and car meets as you need to be seriously wealthy to run an RS on track, tyres, insurance, depreciation etc and I sadly am not in that bracket. To all those that say these cars should be sold to enthusiasts who will use them I would say the ordinary person couldn't and wouldn't track it until such time as values come down to previous GT levels of premium.
So, the final part of the story is that I explained to Preston my thinking and they were good enough to buy the car back from me. It is not being sold for a profit split or so I get another allocation or any such deal. I did not take the car to Tom Hartley or similar as I felt it should go back to the supplying OPC to sell to the next keeper. Yes I made a profit on the car but this will only offset some of the losses I have incurred on previous Porsche's I have owned and on my current GT3.
I hope this goes some way to explaining why I sold the RS. I will carry on enjoying my GT3 MR this year as quite frankly it's as fast as I ever need to go on track, practical, good looking and I can also enjoy it on the road without standing out like a sore thumb.
Cheers, Tim Harvey.
Firstly I consider myself extremely lucky to have been given an allocation and my plan was to track the hell out of it, just like my previous GT cars, and enjoy the ultimate 911 experiance and the closest thing you could get to a street legal Cup race car but road legal. Porsche Preston, who I have been doing events and trackdays with for a couple of years now were fabulous. There was never a suggestion of me giving the car back to them, splitting a profit or anything at all underhand. They were happy for me to have the car and enjoy it and whilst I don't deny that some OPC's have been far less honest, I had no such discussions with Preston at all. The car should have arrived in March '23 but was delayed due to supply chain issues meaning I didn't finally take delivery until September. In the meantime and so as not to miss all summer's events I purchased a used GT3 from Preston and had the full Manthey kit installed. I paid a considerable premium over list for the car as this was the norm at the time and I needed a car for the events I had in my diary.
By the time the RS was ready for collection I had already had first hand experiance of driving two RS cars on track whilst at the same time absolutely loving my GT3 MR. I have always self insured my car on trackdays but with values close to £400k at the time I would have been a fool not to insure my RS for track use. Quotes were almost impossible to get and when I did obtain one it was £2,600 per day... It was also impossible to get the fastest tyres, Michelin Cup 2 R tyres which were unavailable at the time. I would also have slashed the value of the car by heavy track use and for what...? Just to show off I had the latest toy? The RS is not significantly faster, better than my GT3 MR and on standard tyres against my GT3 MR on Cup 2 R tyres, it's no faster at all. I also found some of the added technology on the RS very 'gimmiky' and not to my liking. Add in the impracticality of it and the fact my GT3 MR has now lost approx £50k in value and it made no financial or performance reason to keep the RS. I think the actual cost of running an RS on track is why they are mostly seen at coffee mornings and car meets as you need to be seriously wealthy to run an RS on track, tyres, insurance, depreciation etc and I sadly am not in that bracket. To all those that say these cars should be sold to enthusiasts who will use them I would say the ordinary person couldn't and wouldn't track it until such time as values come down to previous GT levels of premium.
So, the final part of the story is that I explained to Preston my thinking and they were good enough to buy the car back from me. It is not being sold for a profit split or so I get another allocation or any such deal. I did not take the car to Tom Hartley or similar as I felt it should go back to the supplying OPC to sell to the next keeper. Yes I made a profit on the car but this will only offset some of the losses I have incurred on previous Porsche's I have owned and on my current GT3.
I hope this goes some way to explaining why I sold the RS. I will carry on enjoying my GT3 MR this year as quite frankly it's as fast as I ever need to go on track, practical, good looking and I can also enjoy it on the road without standing out like a sore thumb.
Cheers, Tim Harvey.
You flipped it for the money simple
Your first response was ill health now you come out with this
Was it can’t get tyres ?
trying insure your car for 400k when you give 250k
You would always be up anyway an saying mopping up ye 50k loss mate your car was doin big doe still when you handed that back your a joke an so is Porsche Preston waste of a car an it’s still sat there haha dropped 48k someone was meant to make doe is what it is in my eyes big Tim you r a flipper an a greedy man hope to see you at a track day an tell you to your face
Edited by GT3RS ANIMAL on Friday 19th January 21:46
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