The 997 Appreciation Thread
Discussion
braddo said:
Filibuster said:
This is jaw droppingly gorgeous 
Ok, I would have preferred cocoa interior, but the two tone is rather nice too… but this is the closest 997 to my dream spec I have ever seen. If I‘d be in the uk, I‘d probably buy it immediately!!
£45k for one of the nicest 911 ever? Bargain!
A great super-rare colour, powerkit, sports suspension and LSD, sports seats, along with an engine rebuild. It certainly has all the ingredients!Ok, I would have preferred cocoa interior, but the two tone is rather nice too… but this is the closest 997 to my dream spec I have ever seen. If I‘d be in the uk, I‘d probably buy it immediately!!
£45k for one of the nicest 911 ever? Bargain!
If it were a Hartech rebuild the car would be good value. One would need good detail on what the engine rebuild has involved and the lack of use would also be a slight concern in terms of what might crop up when the car goes back into regular use.
A short research on the https://www.porsche-torque.co.uk/ website suggest they regularly do rebuilds and that they work "with Serdi Engineering who machine and fit Westwood Ductile Iron liners to" the engines. Another what looks to be reputable outfit.
Without knowing any further details, it all sounds good!
ATM said:
Filibuster said:
As with any car. Regarding the engine rebuild: I know Hartech is the preferred engine builder around here. But others do great works as well.
A short research on the https://www.porsche-torque.co.uk/ website suggest they regularly do rebuilds and that they work "with Serdi Engineering who machine and fit Westwood Ductile Iron liners to" the engines. Another what looks to be reputable outfit.
Without knowing any further details, it all sounds good!
I've never heard of these. Are they well respected?A short research on the https://www.porsche-torque.co.uk/ website suggest they regularly do rebuilds and that they work "with Serdi Engineering who machine and fit Westwood Ductile Iron liners to" the engines. Another what looks to be reputable outfit.
Without knowing any further details, it all sounds good!
Of course, you can write anything on the internet, but it all sounds good to me. They seem to be in business for some time and there are no immediate red flags like numerous 1* google ratings for exploding Porsche engines or the like.
Remember I said "what looks to be reputable outfit. Without knowing any further details, it all sounds good!"
ETA: Based on a quick internet research, I get good vibes from Porsche Torque and Serdi engineering.
Found some threads on PH, 911uk and PCGB mentioning Serdi. They seem to be reputable indeed.
Of course I would want to know some more details regarding the rebuild, what was involved etc. but it all sounds good to me. As said, this would be close to my unicorn 997 and if I'd be in the UK, I'd seriously consider it!
Edited by Filibuster on Wednesday 26th April 16:04
I'm torn between the three in the middle. I don't like the Lobster or the Turbo wheels personally.
My 997 came with the SportDesign wheel and while I like it, like most other man I'm contemplating alternatives all the time.
Oh and of course there is the standard 18" Carrera wheel. I have this with winter rubber. A really simple, clean wheel design imho
ATM said:
Filibuster said:
See that black one on the far right of the box which is just a big flat washer - I dislike this type.The other type, where you screw the spacer plate onto the hub and then the wheel onto the plate, only works from a certain thickness upwards.
What system do you prefer and why don't you like washer style type?
braddo said:
Hoddo said:
This is a lovely example. It is ALL the money at £45k for a nice spec .1.
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202304076...
Just an example of the market does not really know where to place these cars.
Better add a photo to the thread for posterity https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202304076...
Just an example of the market does not really know where to place these cars.
Sold. This really has been one of the nicest 997 have seen in a long time...
ETA for posterity: 997.1 C2S, 2008, 52k miles, £45k, with X51, sports pack, dark green, two tone interior (black/grey), engine just rebuilt by Porsche Torque/Serdi.
Edited by Filibuster on Wednesday 3rd May 08:28
ATM said:
Gixer968CS said:
There is definitely a slight colour difference between the new head unit surround (from Car Audio Security) but I'm thinking that the a/c unit face plate may be dirty (it's an '06 car) so I'm going to see if I can clean it up a bit.
Edited by ATM on Wednesday 17th May 09:34
It has lifted the interior enormously, imho. Because you could have ordered this from the factory, either colour coded or leather wrapped, it works really good imho. Also the 7.2 cars do work with this colour scheme. It really looks oem, insted of aftermarket.
I have done it properly 4 years ago. It took many hours and at the same time i replaced the very slightly worn HVAC toggles and the PCM buttons (pennies from OPC). Also I fitted a Mr. 12 Volt Bluetooth module at the CDC port, which works really, really good.
Remove PCM; HVAC; trim and tray, disassemble everything, clean and degrease with isopropanol, plastic primer, 2 or 3 layers of matte black plastic spray, 2 layers of matte varnish, reassemble and refit.
prepping:
primer/1st layer:
finished:
materials used:
closeup of colour difference:
installed in car (very dirty interior....):
What an absolute beauty!!!! This is probably my all time favourite PTS colour
And Cocoa is my favourite 997 interior. Together this is an absolute unicorn car ....
The only thing that stings me, and I realize not everyone is of the same opinion, is the aftermarket stereo.
While I am disappointed that the new PCCM+ has a USB B (!) socket in the front, this is what I would get if the original stereo didn't came with the car.
Congratulations on this amazing purchase
And Cocoa is my favourite 997 interior. Together this is an absolute unicorn car ....
The only thing that stings me, and I realize not everyone is of the same opinion, is the aftermarket stereo.
While I am disappointed that the new PCCM+ has a USB B (!) socket in the front, this is what I would get if the original stereo didn't came with the car.
Congratulations on this amazing purchase
c4sman said:
JackReacher said:
Unusual colour, does anyone know this car or the dealer?
https://www.heeltoecarslimited.com/stock/p/porsche...
Something not quite right about the history description “IMS seal, RMS seal done at 47k miles” on a Gen 2 997 is interesting or is that a thing?https://www.heeltoecarslimited.com/stock/p/porsche...
I‘m a sucker for a dark green 911, although this isn‘t the best shade there is, imho. But either way looks absolutely stunning!
You are quite right, the .2 doesn‘t have an intermediate shaft and thus no such bearing. I guess it has an rms, but never heard of this being problematic or even being replaceable with engine disassembly.
I seller looks to be an enthusiasts car specialist rather than a Porsche specialist. In my book this is a minor misrepresentation from an over enthusiastic seller.
ATM said:
S600BSB said:
SFTWend said:
I've browsed the classifieds several times over the years for a 997.1 S but never found one that appealed, or didn't have issues, at the time of looking. Now looking again as I want a sports car that is year round useable and will fit my 9 year old son in the back for shortish trips. Focus is on a manual S coupe that, for peace of mind, has had a full Hartech rebuild.
Welcome input from owners please on how these cars are holding up reliability and rust wise as they approach 20 years of age. I appreciate preventative maintenance is key. What sort of maintenance budget would I need to put aside based on an annual mileage of say 6k miles a year?
Many thanks.
Mine C4S costs me about £2k a year. Welcome input from owners please on how these cars are holding up reliability and rust wise as they approach 20 years of age. I appreciate preventative maintenance is key. What sort of maintenance budget would I need to put aside based on an annual mileage of say 6k miles a year?
Many thanks.
Remember, the very first 997 - like mine - turn 20 y.o. next year. Even if they are low miles examples, those springs, dampers, bushes, etc. had to carry the weight of the car for that entire time. Driving puts more stress on those components, granted, but they age regardless and bushes will loose softener over time.
Overall, they can either be very cheap to keep on the road, especially if you start with a big one and are able and willing to do basic maintenance yourself, or they can cost twice their purchase price and bankrupt you in a very short time. Either way: do it!
ATM said:
I remember this build. It was somewhat controversial. The owner went a long way to have the car exactly as he wanted, but many small details where not to the liking of many on here, me included. That being said, the only one this car has to please is the owner! The op hasn't updated the thread, but after the many negative comments he got, I can understand... 
Anyhow green 911s rule :rock:
julian987R said:
Never knew a '25 years Porsche Exclusive' 997 edition came out at the time. Who knew.
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202310173...
Neither did I! I had to google it. But it is not a special edition, it was a package you could specifiy with any Porsche at the time.https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202310173...
From this thread on Rennlist:
"25 years Porsche Exclusive" Package - $3670
- “Package comprises: taillights with clear glass look mirror attachment point finishers and model designation with paint finish in exterior color fuel filler cap with Aluminum Look finish storage compartment lid with smooth-finish leather in interior color with embossed model designation Porsche crest embossed on front seat headrests floor mats with leather edging in color of choice and embroidered "25 years Porsche Exclusive" logo key pouch in smooth-finish leather in interior color with "25 years Porsche Exclusive" logo door sill guards in stainless steel, Black and chrome-plated, with illuminated "25 years Porsche Exclusive" logo”
Or more info in german on this Carpassion thread.
JackReacher said:
No, but it looks lovely!RiccardoG said:
JackReacher said:
A great example (basic model, low miles, good maintenance) ruined by a souless specification of black on black...My own 997 is black (non metallic) over black leather and I'm very happy with it for the last 7 years I had it.
It is a timeless colour combination, that suits the 911 silhouette very well. It's not a Lamborghini, Pagani or Ferrari, a vanilla 911 is a great everyday sportscar that is very german who likes to blend in. A supercar has every right to be shouty, but a C2/4 in black is a very classy car.
I know not anyone agrees with this. But I'd feel a bit silly driving a guards red 997 (this colour looked great on the G-model with the black trim, but much less so on past 996 cars, imho).
That said, my dream colour would be a very dark green, for instance brewster green.
But while this colour has a certain following on the PTS scheeme since the 991, there are virtually none around for the 997. Also PTS is very, very rarely optioned on a base C2/4, even S.
If I'd ever go for a full respray, I'd love to go down that route. But to 90% of all bystanders, it would still be a black car
He said C2, so a 3.6.
If it is a manual, it sounds like my spec exactly. Condolences for the bad news
£10k sound low, especially if it's a manual.
Your car sound like an otherwise sorted 997, in the best spec there is
Why don't you have an engine rebuild by Hartech or the like? If your specialist fixes the engine for say £8k, he has a well sorted 997 with less than 100k miles and a sorted engine for only £18k and is probably able to sell it for £30k.
If it is a manual, it sounds like my spec exactly. Condolences for the bad news
£10k sound low, especially if it's a manual.
Your car sound like an otherwise sorted 997, in the best spec there is
Why don't you have an engine rebuild by Hartech or the like? If your specialist fixes the engine for say £8k, he has a well sorted 997 with less than 100k miles and a sorted engine for only £18k and is probably able to sell it for £30k.
They claim a full rebuild to be £12k, with prices varying due to fluctuating part prices.
ETA: here on the continent there don't seem to be any 997 to be available under £30k.
Even 996 never have gotten as low as they did in the UK. And anyhow the whole discussion about the engine problems on the 996/7 is way less common in forums at is in the uk.
ETA: here on the continent there don't seem to be any 997 to be available under £30k.
Even 996 never have gotten as low as they did in the UK. And anyhow the whole discussion about the engine problems on the 996/7 is way less common in forums at is in the uk.
Edited by Filibuster on Thursday 16th November 15:21
MrJuice said:
yep
I think 10k is as much as I am going to get hassle free.
I'm going to take it tomorrow. Hartech have not called back. They did say they are not buying cars at the moment because no space but no call back about the rebuild either
While it is sad to hear, I can understand it. Me too I have sold cars before at a loss (if you want to put it like this). Sometimes you just can't be arsed to deal with it anymore. And spending £12k today to maybe get £30k in a a couple of months (plus the time dealing with all of this takes) may simple not be worth it for you atm. I think 10k is as much as I am going to get hassle free.
I'm going to take it tomorrow. Hartech have not called back. They did say they are not buying cars at the moment because no space but no call back about the rebuild either
As you have laid out, the 997 is an old car my now and takes lots of upkeep. They have become classic cars (at least to Porsche they have). "Safest bet" probably is a 6-8 y.o. 911 with a Porsche extended warranty. But in the end it costs about the same to run any 911. You either pay it in upkeep, or in depreciation, higher insurance and extended warranty and thus OPC service prices
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