991.2 GTS Turbo Failure Issue

[rjh_36093]

Sukh13 said:

All ok if you pay for the warranty though...

Looks like 997.2 and 991.1 are the sweet spot for reliability.

I would agree 997.2 or .1 as you expect it with the age in a way or the 991.1 without the turbos would mitigate my issue! I avoided them because I presumed newer would be better but I'm learning a lot with Porsche having got into the 911 world after having had a 718 from pretty much new!

[rjh_36093]

Sukh13 said:

All for the low price of £1k per year and having to keep servicing the car at OPC prices (for all practical purposes)....

Having known I would have done this from the offset - I just assumed Porsche reliability and build quality meant there was some leeway. Honestly owning a 911 or other 1k is a small price compared to the £16k I've had to spend on this 991.2 GTS.

[rjh_36093]

Sukh13 said:

Is there a proven method to solve the turbo issues? The oil catch cans from Litchfield appear to be half the solution, but the turbos etc still sit exposed to the elements?

They are not a proper solution to be honest. That has to come from Porsche and for some reason they don't want to recall even though to be honest they are still pretty low numbers generally (their biggest market is the SUV's, Tacans and Panamera's).. The turbos are so so exposed (see attached picture)

[Old Trout]

I appreciate the thought on the warranty - I want the car as a daily driver - it sounds like your has been anything but. I have a Cayman R as my weekend racer

Back in 2011 I was lucky enough to get an allocation for a 997 GT3 RS - but even that turned out to be a nightmare. So many faults from new and the engine had to be rebuilt at less than 5,000 miles. So it can happen with any Porsche it seems.

I will probably go down the route of a 991.1 GTS if I can find a good one.

rjh_36093 said:

They are absolutely awesome cars but you just need the Porsche OPC warranty. For an update to the Forum I started. I got the car back after 2-3 months, had an issue with a gearbox connection so it was trailered again and then a month ago a coil pack failed. It sat on my drive for 3 weeks & It's been back at the garage for 2 weeks for all new 6x coils & sparks so I've been without another month or more! The coils have corroded inside and a new screw insert has had to be done but there is still issues regarding misfiring. Hoping to collect this week. Not sure if this is mileage related or what but I'm pretty sure my GTS must be one of the highest mileages in the country as I and previous owners have basically driven daily.

I think I will possibly be selling mine when I get it repaired and once I'm sure it's working properly after a fair few miles. It's a GT Silver Metallic with the very rare manual box. I've spent around £16k since February having purchase the car for £72k last May from a little known dealership in Bishops Stortford.. Not sure if anyone else has dealt with them specialists in Porsche? Its sad as I planned having bought high mileage to use the car for everything including trips down to Portugal and all the countries along the way.

As I said on my previous posts I'm shocked with the complications and build quality of Porsche as I previously loved them (one having saved my life) but going by mine at 50k miles - I feel like the best way to go with them is to buy one from a Porsche OPC (which is under 1-2 years old if you plan to keep for a couple of years) or with warranty - I wouldn't sway away from the 991.2 GTS as I dont' believe its any worse than any 992 generation. Had I known I would have had to spend massively on maintenance I would have just gone for the 997 GT3!

[rjh_36093]

Old Trout said:

Yes, they are absolutely not a daily driver! I planned on this being that as it was for around 7 months but my Alfa Romeo Gulietta QV which I've had since pretty much new and has had to take that role since February. (would like to add don't trust anything online about Alfa reliability as mine has been faultless and my previous... and hear similar things online and from folk) I would stick with the Cayman R .. (its a rare car and 99 percent of the fun).. I had the Cayman 718 in a nice spec before an accident and had to had the urge to upgrade with the 911. So with the insurance payout I decided to upgrade.. I've heavily regretted it and wish I had stuck with the same car or to be honest a GT4 could be bought with the same money now and at the time! The 911 pedigree in my personal opinion isn't worth it over the Cayman.. Its a stunning car but at the same time you only realise this after having gone to a 911 afterwards.

I would go for a GT4 or otherwise a daily - I think they would be more reliable or even your current Cayman R!! Or just get a new 992 base spec as to be honest think on the road as a daily these are as good as my GTS and I would have been happy with one so I'm sure others and online on YouTube such as Seen through glass feel the same as a tourer which is what the 911 (unless a GT3) basically is..

Edited by rjh_36093 on Thursday 20th June 00:42

[Old Trout]

The Cayman is an astonishly good car - but it really is set up for hillclimbing/sprints and so not that practical or comfortable as a daily.

I did have a 991.1 C2S back when they came out and it was a fabulous grand tourer - I was thinking s slightly more sporty version of that would be a great daily car.

[ChrisW.]

Cheib said:

rjh_36093 said:

Cheib said:

I’d imagine expense. Active engine mounts fail quite regularly and the RWS mechanism/motor are also known to have issue…when one of the engine mounts failed in my car it was replaced without issue (under warranty)…two months later second one went. OPC told me that happens 50% of the time when they replace a single engine mount…Porsche wont let them replace them both.

I do wonder what the deal is with the extended warranty in an issue like this. The extended warranty is an insurance product so the insurance company would take the financial hit….I wonder if there is some kind of push back from the insurance company to Porsche is there are repeated claims on something like this.

I am guessing there is some kind of % threshold where the amount of failures triggers a recall or it is a safety issue.

Would you mind describing what the symptoms are with the engine mounts and RMS / Mechanism motor failing are?

I’ll be honest it is above my pay grade as a driver to describe the symptoms of the engine mount failure…I didn’t notice anything. I think for most people you’d need to be doing track work to notice. Mine was actually due on track when the warning light came up the first time mine failed…managed to get it replaced in time. I wouldn’t have taken it on track with one failed as would have been nervous of how the car may have behaved on the limit.

With regards to the RWS when I took my GT3 to Center Gravity they said there was a small amount of play in one of the rear wheels….we’re talking tiny amounts and I’ve never noticed anything. I’d trust them over an OPC with these things…they felt it was something to keep an eye on at that stage. They’ve had several clients had them replaced though.

I was told that on RWS cars the geo must be done with the engine running ... otherwise there would be unacceptable play in the system. But I'm sure CoG would know that ??

[PetrolTed]

I’ve had rusty coil packs too.

My smoke issue seems to have returned too. Not sure how that can happen.

Dealer won’t do anything until I can video “plumes” of smoke. Puffs are not enough.

[ellroy]

Nice to see you back Ted, not seen you on here in ages. All well, bar the coil packs, I trust?

[Porsche-worm]

Hi Ted, I was talking about you the other week to someone with a 996 GT3RS, I was recounting the time many years ago that you gave me a passenger ride around Silverstone GP circuit chasing down an orange Gallardo superleggera. I don't suppose you'll remember but it was on an RMA trackday probably around 2008ish.

Anyway it was an awesome experience in an awesome car, do you still have it?

[PetrolTed]

I do remember that. Great memories. A fab day trying to keep up with some interesting stuff.

[rjh_36093]

PetrolTed said:

I’ve had rusty coil packs too.

My smoke issue seems to have returned too. Not sure how that can happen.

Dealer won’t do anything until I can video “plumes” of smoke. Puffs are not enough.

Interesting you've had the rusty coil pack as well. I'm surprised they also had failed. What mileage were you on with the coil pack replacement? I decided to go with a major service with the sparks as well (made sense) even though not due for another year for the benefit of me and the possible future owner (test drove a Giulia QV today and was quite impressed)..

Fair play to the specialist I took it to, they had mentioned for me to change them during the first visit but having had the shock of the cost of the turbo repair I turned it down. Had it back a week and all seems good, driven a few hundred miles and been driving daily for everything.

How long ago has it been since your original turbo replacement or are you on the originals with the altered oil lines?