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MK4 Slowride

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224 months

Tuesday 1st February 2011
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... a mid engined front wheel drive car?

I bet it handled like a dog on wet lino if there was.

R360

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222 months

Tuesday 1st February 2011
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Yup im sure there was a Renaults that were MF, thinking maybe a Renault 5

iva cosworth

44,044 posts

179 months

Tuesday 1st February 2011
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R360 said:
Yup im sure there was a Renaults that were MF, thinking maybe a Renault 5
Not the Renault 5 Turbo [2] that was mid and rear drive

Cant think of any car with mid engine ,front drive a bit pointlesss layout really tongue out

balls-out

3,762 posts

247 months

Tuesday 1st February 2011
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Loads - any car with the engine behind the axle of the front wheels is mid engined. TVRs, some BMs etc etc.

As in behind the drive and mid engined - can't think of one - like all FWD pointless wink

MK4 Slowride

Original Poster:

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224 months

Tuesday 1st February 2011
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The v6 3.2 Renault 5 was four wheel drive.

thetapeworm

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255 months

Tuesday 1st February 2011
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One such example is the....

balls-out

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247 months

Tuesday 1st February 2011
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doogz said:
Hmm, try again. They're RWD cars.
damn! must read the question, must read the question

R360

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222 months

Tuesday 1st February 2011
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iva cosworth said:
Not the Renault 5 Turbo [2] that was mid and rear drive

Cant think of any car with mid engine ,front drive a bit pointlesss layout really tongue out
A quick google shows that the first generation Renault 5 was in fact front wheel drive mid engine.

balls-out

3,762 posts

247 months

Tuesday 1st February 2011
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OK I'll try again.
I think the Citroen DS had a longitudinal engine behind the front wheels? like the R5?

iva cosworth

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179 months

Tuesday 1st February 2011
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MK4 Slowride said:
The v6 3.2 Renault 5 was four wheel drive.
What ? no such car .....Clio ? also RWD confused

farrendahl

1,248 posts

190 months

Tuesday 1st February 2011
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Interesting but highly boring fact, any car thats engine is fully behind the front axle but infront of the driver also classifies as mid engined which makes cars like the Saab Sonnett, Citroen SM and the afore mention Renault 5 all mid-engine front wheel drive.

iva cosworth

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179 months

Tuesday 1st February 2011
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R360 said:
iva cosworth said:
Not the Renault 5 Turbo [2] that was mid and rear drive

Cant think of any car with mid engine ,front drive a bit pointlesss layout really tongue out
A quick google shows that the first generation Renault 5 was in fact front wheel drive mid engine.
Mid engine in general terms means behind the seats smile

farrendahl

1,248 posts

190 months

Tuesday 1st February 2011
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iva cosworth said:
R360 said:
iva cosworth said:
Not the Renault 5 Turbo [2] that was mid and rear drive

Cant think of any car with mid engine ,front drive a bit pointlesss layout really tongue out
A quick google shows that the first generation Renault 5 was in fact front wheel drive mid engine.
Mid engine in general terms means behind the seats smile
I refer you sir to my earlier response.

varsas

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218 months

Tuesday 1st February 2011
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farrendahl said:
Interesting but highly boring fact, any car thats engine is fully behind the front axle but infront of the driver also classifies as mid engined which makes cars like the Saab Sonnett, Citroen SM and the afore mention Renault 5 all mid-engine front wheel drive.
There seems to be a fashion for calling any car with the engine in front of the driver but behind the front axle 'front mid-engined' which is sort of similar to what you say. I don't see it myself.

As others have said the engine has to be behind the driver but in front of the rear axle line to be mid-engined. IMHO.

balls-out

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247 months

Tuesday 1st February 2011
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varsas said:
There seems to be a fashion for calling any car with the engine in front of the driver but behind the front axle 'front mid-engined' which is sort of similar to what you say. I don't see it myself.

As others have said the engine has to be behind the driver but in front of the rear axle line to be mid-engined. IMHO.
I would say the fashion is to describe rear mid engined as mid-engined.
the oxford english dictionary states:
(of a car) having the engine located centrally between the front and rear axles.

Scottish_ninja

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202 months

Tuesday 1st February 2011
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doogz said:
No it doesn't.
This ^

farrendahl

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190 months

Tuesday 1st February 2011
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varsas said:
farrendahl said:
Interesting but highly boring fact, any car thats engine is fully behind the front axle but infront of the driver also classifies as mid engined which makes cars like the Saab Sonnett, Citroen SM and the afore mention Renault 5 all mid-engine front wheel drive.
There seems to be a fashion for calling any car with the engine in front of the driver but behind the front axle 'front mid-engined' which is sort of similar to what you say. I don't see it myself.

As others have said the engine has to be behind the driver but in front of the rear axle line to be mid-engined. IMHO.
Well if we want to get really pedantic over it (and lets face it here on PH we all like the odd pedantic moment) you could argue that there are 2 types of mid-engine mounting , that being FM or front mid and RM or rear mid (the latter obviously being the more common). The general consensus from an engineering stand point is that any vehicle that has an engine either fully behind the front axle or fully in front of the rear axle can rightly be proclaimed as a mid engined vehicle. Of course the popular opinion is that in order to be mid-engined the engine HAS to be behind the drivers compartment.

However opinion does not replace fact.


  • edited because I could.

Edited by farrendahl on Tuesday 1st February 16:36

PlainSpain

28 posts

175 months

Tuesday 1st February 2011
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Porsche Boxster - You can't tell which end is which. wink

virgil

1,557 posts

240 months

Monday 7th February 2011
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farrendahl said:
Well if we want to get really pedantic ...is that any vehicle that has an engine either fully behind the front axle or fully in front of the rear axle can rightly be proclaimed as a mid engined vehicle. Of course the popular opinion is that in order to be mid-engined the engine HAS to be behind the drivers compartment.

Edited by farrendahl on Tuesday 1st February 16:36
If you really want to be pedantic you need to replace the work 'or' in your text with the word 'and' otherwise every front engined and rear engined car can be classed as a mid-engined car wink