Audi A4 3.0 TDi
Discussion
Folks,
Although my recent review of the 2.0 TDi wasnt glowing, I am intrigued by a Quattro A4 Tdi, but only the 3 litre TDi.
Anyone on here have any ideas of the fuel consumption ?? Most of my miles are 90 leptons motorway.
Does it make much difference auto or manual ?? Does a Bluefin (or equiv) improve/kill it more ???
Remember .... 3.0 Tdi please folks
Cheers PH
Arf
Although my recent review of the 2.0 TDi wasnt glowing, I am intrigued by a Quattro A4 Tdi, but only the 3 litre TDi.
Anyone on here have any ideas of the fuel consumption ?? Most of my miles are 90 leptons motorway.
Does it make much difference auto or manual ?? Does a Bluefin (or equiv) improve/kill it more ???
Remember .... 3.0 Tdi please folks
Cheers PH
Arf
It's alright, I'll try being helpful 
I assume you're thinking about the B7 (2004-2009)?
3.0TDI - 204bhp until MY06 when it was upped to 230bhp/450NM
Pretty quick (0-62 is around 7secs I think), punchy, quiet and refined
For the Tiptronic Auto CO2 is just under 220g/km and I think it's in Tax Band K
Under 200g/km and Tax Band J for the manual, I THINK the manual is a bit more economical too whilst being about half a second quicker, the 3.0TDI responds well to chips as well.
The 3.0TDI will have the 'normal' torque converter 'Tiptronic' 6-speed automatic gearbox, a ZF unit I think, rather than the strange CVT 'Multitronic' (which I don't like)
The Getrag 6-spd manual is a great box, smooth, positive, chunky feeling, really nice to use, though clutches on manuals seem to have quite a long travel, but they're nicely weighted.
quattro on these uses a Torsen diff and is the Permanent AWD system too, rather than one that sends power to the rear when it senses a slip
Hope that helps
I assume you're thinking about the B7 (2004-2009)?
3.0TDI - 204bhp until MY06 when it was upped to 230bhp/450NM
Pretty quick (0-62 is around 7secs I think), punchy, quiet and refined
For the Tiptronic Auto CO2 is just under 220g/km and I think it's in Tax Band K
Under 200g/km and Tax Band J for the manual, I THINK the manual is a bit more economical too whilst being about half a second quicker, the 3.0TDI responds well to chips as well.
The 3.0TDI will have the 'normal' torque converter 'Tiptronic' 6-speed automatic gearbox, a ZF unit I think, rather than the strange CVT 'Multitronic' (which I don't like)
The Getrag 6-spd manual is a great box, smooth, positive, chunky feeling, really nice to use, though clutches on manuals seem to have quite a long travel, but they're nicely weighted.
quattro on these uses a Torsen diff and is the Permanent AWD system too, rather than one that sends power to the rear when it senses a slip
Hope that helps
Edited by Waugh-terfall on Monday 17th January 02:50
Ok, Leptons apart, I've always been intreged as to why peeps go for 3lt TDI's over the 2lt version, guess we're talking AUDI/BM here. Take the BMW 2LT, 167bhp, vs the 3lt about 230bhp. Both don't really do 0-60's very well vs petrols, that's the nature of diesels, so that benchmark is out the window. They both sit at motorway speeds, at very relaxed rpms, but the 2lt will use 10mpg less doing so, both pull like trains from say 50 to 90'ish, and beyond, (yes we know, but, come on you want to keep your licence, yes ?), but with maybe 0.4 secs difference between the two, so no real world difference between the two cars. The 2LT is in a lower tax/insurance group. The 2lt does not drink fuel like the 3lt in town driving. So why go for the 3LT, both will last as long as the other engineering wise. Maybe it's a Autoban thing.
icepop said:
Ok, Leptons apart, I've always been intreged as to why peeps go for 3lt TDI's over the 2lt version, guess we're talking AUDI/BM here. Take the BMW 2LT, 167bhp, vs the 3lt about 230bhp. Both don't really do 0-60's very well vs petrols, that's the nature of diesels, so that benchmark is out the window. They both sit at motorway speeds, at very relaxed rpms, but the 2lt will use 10mpg less doing so, both pull like trains from say 50 to 90'ish, and beyond, (yes we know, but, come on you want to keep your licence, yes ?), but with maybe 0.4 secs difference between the two, so no real world difference between the two cars. The 2LT is in a lower tax/insurance group. The 2lt does not drink fuel like the 3lt in town driving. So why go for the 3LT, both will last as long as the other engineering wise. Maybe it's a Autoban thing.
I think the diesels do incredibly well in the BMW and Audi range against the petrols, even so at the 0-60 range. I think there's a bit more in it performance wise between the two cars as well. Sure if you want to use as little fuel as possible, get the smaller engine and drive extremely sensibly, but not everyone does.
icepop said:
Ok, Leptons apart, I've always been intreged as to why peeps go for 3lt TDI's over the 2lt version, guess we're talking AUDI/BM here. Take the BMW 2LT, 167bhp, vs the 3lt about 230bhp. Both don't really do 0-60's very well vs petrols, that's the nature of diesels, so that benchmark is out the window. They both sit at motorway speeds, at very relaxed rpms, but the 2lt will use 10mpg less doing so, both pull like trains from say 50 to 90'ish, and beyond, (yes we know, but, come on you want to keep your licence, yes ?), but with maybe 0.4 secs difference between the two, so no real world difference between the two cars. The 2LT is in a lower tax/insurance group. The 2lt does not drink fuel like the 3lt in town driving. So why go for the 3LT, both will last as long as the other engineering wise. Maybe it's a Autoban thing.
So you've been around PH 4 years, and don't know what a lepton is?!The V6 is a lot less agricultural than the I4. The I4 is less spritely in the A4 (it's a big car) than the V6. So I guess you could say the same for petrol variants. Why would you by a 330 beemer Vs a 320? Probably because you can. The bigger engine variant also has more toys as standard generally. Yes the car costs more, but probably less than if you spec'd up a smaller-engined version.
Edited by fatboy b on Monday 17th January 06:57
geeteeaye said:
get the RS4
HTH
+1 (although there is a serious difference in available price ranges) I have owned both A4 B6 3.0tdi manual avant, and currently have a B5 RS4 avant.HTH
Both V6, both turbo, both very similar.
RS4 = 20mpg and slightly more on the motorway, 3.0TDI = 30mpg and slightly more on the motorway.
They have very similar power characteristics up until 4500rpm at which point the RS4 absolutely blows the diesel into the weeds. The petrol version is also much better off turbo and will drive at 30mph in 6th quite happily.
I really enjoyed my diesel on windy b roads, it was superb. The RS4 is just better, quicker, quieter, etc.
fatboy b said:
icepop said:
Ok, Leptons apart, I've always been intreged as to why peeps go for 3lt TDI's over the 2lt version, guess we're talking AUDI/BM here. Take the BMW 2LT, 167bhp, vs the 3lt about 230bhp. Both don't really do 0-60's very well vs petrols, that's the nature of diesels, so that benchmark is out the window. They both sit at motorway speeds, at very relaxed rpms, but the 2lt will use 10mpg less doing so, both pull like trains from say 50 to 90'ish, and beyond, (yes we know, but, come on you want to keep your licence, yes ?), but with maybe 0.4 secs difference between the two, so no real world difference between the two cars. The 2LT is in a lower tax/insurance group. The 2lt does not drink fuel like the 3lt in town driving. So why go for the 3LT, both will last as long as the other engineering wise. Maybe it's a Autoban thing.
So you've been around PH 4 years, and don't know what a lepton is?!The V6 is a lot less agricultural than the I4. The I4 is less spritely in the A4 (it's a big car) than the V6. So I guess you could say the same for petrol variants. Why would you by a 330 beemer Vs a 320? Probably because you can. The bigger engine variant also has more toys as standard generally. Yes the car costs more, but probably less than if you spec'd up a smaller-engined version.
Edited by fatboy b on Monday 17th January 06:57
No,he means the Lepton that is only relevant to particle physics.Unless he's invented a new word??
Just a small request...'lepton'already has a meaning,and it's nothing to do with mph,distance etc.FFS.
goldblum said:
fatboy b said:
icepop said:
Ok, Leptons apart, I've always been intreged as to why peeps go for 3lt TDI's over the 2lt version, guess we're talking AUDI/BM here. Take the BMW 2LT, 167bhp, vs the 3lt about 230bhp. Both don't really do 0-60's very well vs petrols, that's the nature of diesels, so that benchmark is out the window. They both sit at motorway speeds, at very relaxed rpms, but the 2lt will use 10mpg less doing so, both pull like trains from say 50 to 90'ish, and beyond, (yes we know, but, come on you want to keep your licence, yes ?), but with maybe 0.4 secs difference between the two, so no real world difference between the two cars. The 2LT is in a lower tax/insurance group. The 2lt does not drink fuel like the 3lt in town driving. So why go for the 3LT, both will last as long as the other engineering wise. Maybe it's a Autoban thing.
So you've been around PH 4 years, and don't know what a lepton is?!The V6 is a lot less agricultural than the I4. The I4 is less spritely in the A4 (it's a big car) than the V6. So I guess you could say the same for petrol variants. Why would you by a 330 beemer Vs a 320? Probably because you can. The bigger engine variant also has more toys as standard generally. Yes the car costs more, but probably less than if you spec'd up a smaller-engined version.
Edited by fatboy b on Monday 17th January 06:57
No,he means the Lepton that is only relevant to particle physics.Unless he's invented a new word??
Just a small request...'lepton'already has a meaning,and it's nothing to do with mph,distance etc.FFS.
fatboy b said:
goldblum said:
fatboy b said:
icepop said:
Ok, Leptons apart, I've always been intreged as to why peeps go for 3lt TDI's over the 2lt version, guess we're talking AUDI/BM here. Take the BMW 2LT, 167bhp, vs the 3lt about 230bhp. Both don't really do 0-60's very well vs petrols, that's the nature of diesels, so that benchmark is out the window. They both sit at motorway speeds, at very relaxed rpms, but the 2lt will use 10mpg less doing so, both pull like trains from say 50 to 90'ish, and beyond, (yes we know, but, come on you want to keep your licence, yes ?), but with maybe 0.4 secs difference between the two, so no real world difference between the two cars. The 2LT is in a lower tax/insurance group. The 2lt does not drink fuel like the 3lt in town driving. So why go for the 3LT, both will last as long as the other engineering wise. Maybe it's a Autoban thing.
So you've been around PH 4 years, and don't know what a lepton is?!The V6 is a lot less agricultural than the I4. The I4 is less spritely in the A4 (it's a big car) than the V6. So I guess you could say the same for petrol variants. Why would you by a 330 beemer Vs a 320? Probably because you can. The bigger engine variant also has more toys as standard generally. Yes the car costs more, but probably less than if you spec'd up a smaller-engined version.
Edited by fatboy b on Monday 17th January 06:57
No,he means the Lepton that is only relevant to particle physics.Unless he's invented a new word??
Just a small request...'lepton'already has a meaning,and it's nothing to do with mph,distance etc.FFS.
icepop said:
Ok, Leptons apart, I've always been intreged as to why peeps go for 3lt TDI's over the 2lt version, guess we're talking AUDI/BM here. Take the BMW 2LT, 167bhp, vs the 3lt about 230bhp. Both don't really do 0-60's very well vs petrols, that's the nature of diesels, so that benchmark is out the window. They both sit at motorway speeds, at very relaxed rpms, but the 2lt will use 10mpg less doing so, both pull like trains from say 50 to 90'ish, and beyond, (yes we know, but, come on you want to keep your licence, yes ?), but with maybe 0.4 secs difference between the two, so no real world difference between the two cars. The 2LT is in a lower tax/insurance group. The 2lt does not drink fuel like the 3lt in town driving. So why go for the 3LT, both will last as long as the other engineering wise. Maybe it's a Autoban thing.
Torque - 6 pots are much smoother than 4 pots. Also away from 0-60 the 6 pot is much faster in real world terms... 6 vs 4....oh please, come on!
My wife has a E90 330d (ours) and I have a 520d and recently a 320d pool car. Both the I4 offer reasonably brisk performance and nothing else, both offer great economy. But both (both were autos) labour terribly when at light throttle on a slight incline, which has me knocking it into semi-auto to pick up the lower gear, as kicking it down results in unnecessary speed and noise.
The difference in the ease of driving and overtaking between the I4 and I6 is massive and cannot be easily summarised in 0-60 times.
My wife has a E90 330d (ours) and I have a 520d and recently a 320d pool car. Both the I4 offer reasonably brisk performance and nothing else, both offer great economy. But both (both were autos) labour terribly when at light throttle on a slight incline, which has me knocking it into semi-auto to pick up the lower gear, as kicking it down results in unnecessary speed and noise.
The difference in the ease of driving and overtaking between the I4 and I6 is massive and cannot be easily summarised in 0-60 times.
fatboy b said:
arfur said:
Folks,
Anyone on here have any ideas of the fuel consumption ??
At those speeds, the diesel will sup a bit more.My old A4 Cab 3.0TDi got mid-30's, but nearer 40 if I took it a tad easier. The current A5 3.0 TDi did low 40's when in France last year around the 90 mark.Anyone on here have any ideas of the fuel consumption ??
goldblum said:
fatboy b said:
icepop said:
Ok, Leptons apart, I've always been intreged as to why peeps go for 3lt TDI's over the 2lt version, guess we're talking AUDI/BM here. Take the BMW 2LT, 167bhp, vs the 3lt about 230bhp. Both don't really do 0-60's very well vs petrols, that's the nature of diesels, so that benchmark is out the window. They both sit at motorway speeds, at very relaxed rpms, but the 2lt will use 10mpg less doing so, both pull like trains from say 50 to 90'ish, and beyond, (yes we know, but, come on you want to keep your licence, yes ?), but with maybe 0.4 secs difference between the two, so no real world difference between the two cars. The 2LT is in a lower tax/insurance group. The 2lt does not drink fuel like the 3lt in town driving. So why go for the 3LT, both will last as long as the other engineering wise. Maybe it's a Autoban thing.
So you've been around PH 4 years, and don't know what a lepton is?!The V6 is a lot less agricultural than the I4. The I4 is less spritely in the A4 (it's a big car) than the V6. So I guess you could say the same for petrol variants. Why would you by a 330 beemer Vs a 320? Probably because you can. The bigger engine variant also has more toys as standard generally. Yes the car costs more, but probably less than if you spec'd up a smaller-engined version.
Edited by fatboy b on Monday 17th January 06:57
No,he means the Lepton that is only relevant to particle physics.Unless he's invented a new word??
Just a small request...'lepton'already has a meaning,and it's nothing to do with mph,distance etc.FFS.
doogz said:
I liked my A4 3.0 V6 petrol Quattro.
But, my OH's old mans 3.0TDI A8 spanked it in a straight line, as well as returning significantly better fuel economy
So i think if you combined them, it'd probably work quite nicely.
This was my thinking, once the quattro bit was added it would be a car for all seasons. The Scooby is that now, but at 3 yrs old and 112k miles it's getting a bit tired. The fuel consumption is dire, and its not often you can shake the 300+ horses to make the whole thing worthwhile.But, my OH's old mans 3.0TDI A8 spanked it in a straight line, as well as returning significantly better fuel economy
So i think if you combined them, it'd probably work quite nicely.
So my other thinking is to trade it (worth sod all) and get either a A4 or X3 3.0 tdi, get it remapped and then to find an Elise S1 for the sunny days.
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