Am I being Stupid???
Discussion
Its new car time and i need something that looks good and goes well.
The car will be mine, but gifted to my dad to use for business and used by me for pleasure. The only slight problem is the projected mileage of 20k p.a. (much of it at 40ppm) so the car has to be good on fuel (50+ mpg) as well have a degree of prestige.
The search started well looking at things like new BMW 120d coupe's and Skoda Octavia VRS's (the latter has since been ruled out by my dad as not doing anything for him: looks, image and brand perception)
Me being me started thinking what about a 123d, the natural progression from a 120d for a similar mpg, however the purchase costs are something else, and reading up on potential problems with diesels producing costly bills ruining all fuel savings and a recent experience to that effect have put me off diesels.
So we were back to square 1, with petrol cars not giving the MPG needed.
The idea of fitting an LPG kit to something a lot nicer came into my head and I have now settled on a just out of manufacturer warranty, low mileage BMW 335i coupe with a LPG system to give a realistic 50mpg equivalent (with LPG at 65-70ppl around this way) however the problem comes as my dad now thinks i am being stupid and that the BMW will never hit the MPG target (all miles are motorway) and wants me to look at something like a basic 320i which he thinks will have a chance of hitting the target, and minimising costs such as insurance (i'm 21).
But weighing it up i think that with the use the 335i will give a good enough fuel return to cover costs under the 40ppm as well as being something i will want to keep for a while (once LPG kitted this will happen) however i am accused of being stupid.
There isn't too much in it for insurance costs (policy in my name) - £1050 for the 335i and £850 for the 320i
So sorry for babbling on but who is right?
The car will be mine, but gifted to my dad to use for business and used by me for pleasure. The only slight problem is the projected mileage of 20k p.a. (much of it at 40ppm) so the car has to be good on fuel (50+ mpg) as well have a degree of prestige.
The search started well looking at things like new BMW 120d coupe's and Skoda Octavia VRS's (the latter has since been ruled out by my dad as not doing anything for him: looks, image and brand perception)
Me being me started thinking what about a 123d, the natural progression from a 120d for a similar mpg, however the purchase costs are something else, and reading up on potential problems with diesels producing costly bills ruining all fuel savings and a recent experience to that effect have put me off diesels.
So we were back to square 1, with petrol cars not giving the MPG needed.
The idea of fitting an LPG kit to something a lot nicer came into my head and I have now settled on a just out of manufacturer warranty, low mileage BMW 335i coupe with a LPG system to give a realistic 50mpg equivalent (with LPG at 65-70ppl around this way) however the problem comes as my dad now thinks i am being stupid and that the BMW will never hit the MPG target (all miles are motorway) and wants me to look at something like a basic 320i which he thinks will have a chance of hitting the target, and minimising costs such as insurance (i'm 21).
But weighing it up i think that with the use the 335i will give a good enough fuel return to cover costs under the 40ppm as well as being something i will want to keep for a while (once LPG kitted this will happen) however i am accused of being stupid.
There isn't too much in it for insurance costs (policy in my name) - £1050 for the 335i and £850 for the 320i
So sorry for babbling on but who is right?
- To sort out all of the nay sayers that i will crash a 335i it hopefully wont happen, I am sensible and used to RWD as i have been driving a V6 S-type for the past 6 months without incident.
Fleckers said:
why not get another Jag ?
a newer 'S' type or a XF if funds are ok
i am never one for having two of the same car, the S-type is officially my dad's P & J although he has been using mine and me his for the past few months it will be staying to run along side the new car. I love it, my friends do as well but it is a little on the big side and not quite fitting for a 21 year old bloke. The Astra in my profile will be making way for what ever i get.a newer 'S' type or a XF if funds are ok
The Lukas said:
So you are looking for a compromise between 55mpg, for pleasure and business? Better you than me 
Surly more than one car would be beneficial?
There will be 2 cars between us, the Jag for shorter trips or when we go anywhere as a family and then the new car to use for long distances/i use as my DD when my dad doesn't have it for business (average 3 days a week) Surly more than one car would be beneficial? pinchmeimdreamin said:
Im a little confused.
Why doesnt your dad use his car and you buy a car You want and use it for yourself.
He loves his S-type but its getting on a little now and isn't too good on juice (23mpg average at the moment) We would LPG it but from reading up some places say that the V6 engines don't take it very well. the mileage is also creeping up and he wants something a little smaller to use for work that doesn't make as much of a statement.Why doesnt your dad use his car and you buy a car You want and use it for yourself.
I don't mind the arrangement we have at the moment though as the jag is great for ferrying around friends
Sounds like you've decided what car you want, your dad's funding it and so you're trying to find a way to talk him into what you want, yes?
You don't say what your budget is but the ideal answer is clearly something like a BMW 320d coupe so your dad's badge snobbery is placated and your need to be in a BMW coupe is sated. Maybe you could then get it 'mapped' for inter-stellar travel?
You don't say what your budget is but the ideal answer is clearly something like a BMW 320d coupe so your dad's badge snobbery is placated and your need to be in a BMW coupe is sated. Maybe you could then get it 'mapped' for inter-stellar travel?
1A said:
Sounds like you've decided what car you want, your dad's funding it and so you're trying to find a way to talk him into what you want, yes?
You don't say what your budget is but the ideal answer is clearly something like a BMW 320d coupe so your dad's badge snobbery is placated and your need to be in a BMW coupe is sated. Maybe you could then get it 'mapped' for inter-stellar travel?
Indeed i have decided, just trying to talk him around but no i will be paying for this one myself, in full as i did with the current astra and the 206 before that. I have always hated (cue being jealous of) people whose parents buy their cars for them so they can treat them with no respect what so ever but i am the opposite.You don't say what your budget is but the ideal answer is clearly something like a BMW 320d coupe so your dad's badge snobbery is placated and your need to be in a BMW coupe is sated. Maybe you could then get it 'mapped' for inter-stellar travel?
I am only wanting the 335i over the 320i because i get bored of cars rather quickly and get rather frustrated when they feel too slow after a few months of ownership, and if i LPG it i can't afford to change it so it will be a keeper so i want the best.
I am looking more for opinions on weather the 335i will make 30mpg on a run under petrol (with fuel price differences will equate to over 50) and weather it is a nice place to be.
I am looking at a SE model over the "crashy" m-sport which should help
W00DY said:
I think the stupid part is the weird sharing thing. Wouldn't it be easier for you both to get new cars which suit your needs? I'd hate anyone but me choosing or driving my car.
Because the insurance for a 21yr old on a 335 will be pricey that's why dad's involved. It smells of fronting to me.Xavier259 said:
davepoth said:
Get the Skoda. The only person still worried about image and brand perception is your dad. There's two really nice ones in the "Reader's Cars" forum right now.
^^^This. If anything the Skoda has a better reputation than the BMW.
jr502 said:
Xavier259 said:
davepoth said:
Get the Skoda. The only person still worried about image and brand perception is your dad. There's two really nice ones in the "Reader's Cars" forum right now.
^^^This. If anything the Skoda has a better reputation than the BMW.
...actually that's an idea - Alfa 159.
kiethton said:
1A said:
Sounds like you've decided what car you want, your dad's funding it and so you're trying to find a way to talk him into what you want, yes?
You don't say what your budget is but the ideal answer is clearly something like a BMW 320d coupe so your dad's badge snobbery is placated and your need to be in a BMW coupe is sated. Maybe you could then get it 'mapped' for inter-stellar travel?
Indeed i have decided, just trying to talk him around but no i will be paying for this one myself, in full as i did with the current astra and the 206 before that. I have always hated (cue being jealous of) people whose parents buy their cars for them so they can treat them with no respect what so ever but i am the opposite.You don't say what your budget is but the ideal answer is clearly something like a BMW 320d coupe so your dad's badge snobbery is placated and your need to be in a BMW coupe is sated. Maybe you could then get it 'mapped' for inter-stellar travel?
I am only wanting the 335i over the 320i because i get bored of cars rather quickly and get rather frustrated when they feel too slow after a few months of ownership, and if i LPG it i can't afford to change it so it will be a keeper so i want the best.
I am looking more for opinions on weather the 335i will make 30mpg on a run under petrol (with fuel price differences will equate to over 50) and weather it is a nice place to be.
I am looking at a SE model over the "crashy" m-sport which should help
Xavier259 said:
jr502 said:
Xavier259 said:
davepoth said:
Get the Skoda. The only person still worried about image and brand perception is your dad. There's two really nice ones in the "Reader's Cars" forum right now.
^^^This. If anything the Skoda has a better reputation than the BMW.
...actually that's an idea - Alfa 159.
wolf1 said:
W00DY said:
I think the stupid part is the weird sharing thing. Wouldn't it be easier for you both to get new cars which suit your needs? I'd hate anyone but me choosing or driving my car.
Because the insurance for a 21yr old on a 335 will be pricey that's why dad's involved. It smells of fronting to me.Gassing Station | General Gassing | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff