'There's no reserve Sir, its' up to the auctioneer...'

'There's no reserve Sir, its' up to the auctioneer...'

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peterbredde

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775 posts

205 months

Saturday 15th January 2011
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Went to a car auction (to remain anonumous) today to buy something for the missus - they advertise that none of the cars have a reserve on them. Fancied a little 3 door hatch with low miles. Asked whether there was any reserve price...

Auction house: 'Oh no, there's no reserve Sir, its up to the auctioneer'
Me: 'Sorry, but what does that mean'
Auction house 'It means it's up to the auctioneer'
Me: 'Sorry, what's up to the auctioneer'
Auction house: 'The price at which bidding starts'
Me: 'So there is a reserve price'
Auction house: 'No Sir, it's up to the auctioneer'

This was repeated again, then I politely thanked him, and left thinking that I would otherwise get systematically ripped off.

Was I being a dick? Am I missing something here? Can anyone explain this?

Parrot of Doom

23,075 posts

239 months

Saturday 15th January 2011
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Starting price may be lower than the reserve.

peterbredde

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775 posts

205 months

Saturday 15th January 2011
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Parrot of Doom said:
Starting price may be lower than the reserve.
But in the case above doesn't that mean that the auction house determines the starting price which IS the reserve?

Cheers

GreigM

6,737 posts

254 months

Saturday 15th January 2011
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This is normal - the auctioneer is trying to get through them asap so will set a start price at which he thinks isn't a million miles away from final sell, but at which he will get bids - speeds the process up. If he gets no bids he can bring the price down.

shirt

23,182 posts

206 months

Saturday 15th January 2011
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as above, plus they can run it through the next sale if they think it'll do better.

retrorider

1,339 posts

206 months

Saturday 15th January 2011
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Most auctioneers will let you know of a reserve price when they open the bidding.For instance "lovely 1.2 Fiesta,£1000 to start ?".Hall will go silent and car will usually start at around £5-600...

williamp

19,481 posts

278 months

Saturday 15th January 2011
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absolutely. Nothing shady about it. He is just "suggesting" a starting bid, to save time.

If cars in simmilar spec, condition and mileage go for, say £3k, why start the bidding at £0.01p and waste time going up in 1p increments?

He knows the rough value of that car, the traders will too. If you do our homework, you'll know too. So its far quicker and easier for everyone is he suggests a starting bid. If people start bidding, he has got close. If not, he will lower the bid until people start bidding.

This will happen for every single auction piece. The reserve price is something different entirely. Lets say the reserve was £3,250.

He suggests the start of £3k, no-pone starts. He suggests £2800 and he gets a bid. Bidding continues (maybe even past £3k). If it goes past the reserve, its sold. If not, it doesnt. If it gets close, they are likely to phone the seller and say "we got £3,150. Do you want to sell??" and do a deal with the interested buyer. This is very common


Far better for everyone if he started the bidding at the £3k. If people start bidding then fine. If not, he will lower the starting bid until people start bidding.

Jem0911

4,415 posts

206 months

Saturday 15th January 2011
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I think It might have been best to stay.
Just to see where the car started and finished.
I used to see the auctioneer bidding 'against the wall' alot, when I used to go to auctions.
Probably happened to me as a non trader.