Why don't more cars have CVT?

Why don't more cars have CVT?

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DanGPR

Original Poster:

989 posts

176 months

Tuesday 11th January 2011
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As the title, why aren't there more cars available with continuously variable transmissions?

If someone isn't bothered about changing gear themselves, is it not a better solution than a 4 speed automatic transmission or similar?

I haven't looked into it hugely, but they seem to have great potential for efficiency by keeping the engine in its most efficient rev range?

Cheers, Dan.

jon-

16,525 posts

221 months

Tuesday 11th January 2011
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At a total guess:

1/ they've been quite unreliable / expensive to produce
2/ people fear change

We'll be seeing them soon I'm sure.

HellDiver

5,708 posts

187 months

Tuesday 11th January 2011
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People don't like driving cars that sound like a hair drier. A constant engine note during acceleration sounds bizarre.

DanGPR

Original Poster:

989 posts

176 months

Tuesday 11th January 2011
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I'm not sure how expensive they are, but they have been fitting them to mopeds for years and years...

Obviously, a car would need a slightly different set up than a variator and centrifugal clutch, but in essence it would work.

As for the noise, I'm quite certain that 90% of road users, or purchasers of new cars couldn't give a hoot what it sounds like, especially if the trade off was a few more MPGs.

stuckmojo

3,177 posts

193 months

Tuesday 11th January 2011
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HellDiver said:
People don't like driving cars that sound like a hair drier. A constant engine note during acceleration sounds bizarre.
this. even in a hire car it did drive me insane (crappy A-class Mercedes with elastic band in place of gearbox)

infradig

978 posts

212 months

Tuesday 11th January 2011
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HellDiver said:
People don't like driving cars that sound like a hair drier. A constant engine note during acceleration sounds bizarre.
Agree 100%, her indoors made me test drive a Civic Hybrid thing a couple of years ago and I was gobsmacked at how noisey and unpleasant the experience was,all down to the nasty gearbox.

wolves_wanderer

12,541 posts

242 months

Tuesday 11th January 2011
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Because it feels like the clutch is slipping

Big Rod

6,228 posts

221 months

Tuesday 11th January 2011
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I had to drive a Micra automatic for a couple of weeks a while back.

Aside from it being ghastly any, the CVT made it superlatively ghastly.

Mars

8,948 posts

219 months

Tuesday 11th January 2011
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Didn't someone produce a car with a CVT but engineered "step" changes into it, because customers didn't like the sound?

... or was I dreaming this?

sixspeed

2,061 posts

277 months

Tuesday 11th January 2011
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I loved my Audi Multitronic CVT - coupled with the 2.5TDi engine it was a perfect combination...

Until it broke.


308mate

13,757 posts

227 months

Tuesday 11th January 2011
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I think our garbage truck has one. Which means when it could be creeping up the road at 2000rpm and 5miles and hour, its creeping up the road at 6000rpm and 5miles an hour.

tts.

Johnnytheboy

24,498 posts

191 months

Tuesday 11th January 2011
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Used to work with someone with a 1.25 fiesta with CVT. It was awful.

GravelBen

15,837 posts

235 months

Tuesday 11th January 2011
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Mars said:
Didn't someone produce a car with a CVT but engineered "step" changes into it, because customers didn't like the sound?

... or was I dreaming this?
yes

Think Nissan did that with one of the Primera slushboxes, called it a CVT-M6 or something.

Edited by GravelBen on Tuesday 11th January 10:22

DanGPR

Original Poster:

989 posts

176 months

Tuesday 11th January 2011
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Surely a stepped CVT is a contradiction?

Anyway, it was just a passing thought after reading the "aeroplace acceleration" thread.

It is unanimous, CVT is st!

Compo_Simmonite

391 posts

192 months

Tuesday 11th January 2011
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GravelBen said:
Think Nissan did that with one of the Primera slushboxes, called it a CVT-M6 or something.
After several conventional autos we had an inherited Primera CVT saloon (the lastest shape).
Nice and smooth but horrific fuel consumprion for a 2.0 - 16 mpg urban and 20-22 mpg on careful run.
Glad when probate sorted so it could be sold and to see the back of it.

Paul H

dwilkie

2,222 posts

191 months

Tuesday 11th January 2011
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My mother had a MG ZR with a CVT box which was horrid. My gran has always had Micras that for at least the last few have all had CVT's that were horrid.

It's just an unpleasant sensation to drive. Mind you I'm not a big fan of autoboxes in general - the only one I've ever actually liked was the Selespeed in a 156 I test drove.

Having said that, the CVT did suit the A6 2.5 TDI that a colleague had - it pretty much just slapped it in the middle of the torque band and then surged its way quite briskly to motorway speeds down the sliproads.

jon-

16,525 posts

221 months

Tuesday 11th January 2011
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DanGPR said:
It is unanimous, CVT is st!
So st the (concept) X1 uses one.

They're the future, people just need education.


DickSkruttock

4,392 posts

173 months

Tuesday 11th January 2011
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Mars said:
Didn't someone produce a car with a CVT but engineered "step" changes into it, because customers didn't like the sound?

... or was I dreaming this?
This was Audi, the CVT has programmed 'fake' gear changes!

dwilkie

2,222 posts

191 months

Tuesday 11th January 2011
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jon- said:
DanGPR said:
It is unanimous, CVT is st!
So st the (concept) X1 uses one.

They're the future, people just need education.quote]

No, they really are horrible... Efficient I'm sure, but just ruin driving for me.

kambites

68,179 posts

226 months

Tuesday 11th January 2011
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A good CVT is the perfect solution for acceleration, throttle response and fuel economy, but they don't half sound (and feel) weird when you're used to stepped gears.