RE: Rare Subaru BRZ TS for sale
RE: Rare Subaru BRZ TS for sale
Tuesday 29th September

Rare Subaru BRZ TS for sale

It's almost 15 years since the BRZ's launch already - where has the time gone?


Some people will tell you that 2012 was the peak of civilisation in Britain. It’s hard to disagree with them, just not for the usual reasons like the Diamond Jubilee, the Olympics or Skyfall. 2012 was huge because the Subaru BRZ and Toyota GT86 were launched, two of the most hotly anticipated Japanese performance cars in years. They promised so much and delivered… most of it. Never quite as compelling in normal use as they were when cosplaying as Drift King, the Toyobaru twins were nonetheless great sports cars. 

And they look even more special now, without anything else like them around. All those traits that are now being cherished in classics - or new-build multi-million dollar exotics - were present and correct in 86 and BRZ: dedicated sports car platforms, high revving naturally aspirated engines, manual gearboxes, rear-wheel drive. The list goes on. That they were so good, so refreshingly simple, must explain part of why they’ve got as cheap as hoped for. Plus the rarity - to think somewhere around £25k was too much back then… 

And back then is now almost 15 years ago. To mark the occasion for the 2027 Model Year, the US (where the GR86 twin BRZ continues) is to get a ZC15 special edition. That’s ‘ZC’ as in the first car’s chassis code, if you didn’t know already. All will be white with bronze wheels, red calipers and red seat inserts. Expect the lucky so-and-sos Stateside to snap up all 300 quicker than you can say Boxer Rear-Drive Zenith. 

Without a Subaru BRZ this decade in the UK - imagine how many they could have sold! - we’ll have to content ourselves with a different 300-unit special edition to mark the imminent anniversary. The TS was a Japanese Domestic Market special edition, an STI by another name: better brakes, aero and suspension marked it out. Only 100 were ever made in the brilliant Sunrise Yellow that’s always saved for the most special Subarus. 

That would probably be enough for most folks, but a Japanese owner of this TS decided that it wasn’t. So this has an HKS supercharger fitted (plus a host of supporting mods), a popular mod over the past decade or so for really bringing the best out of the chassis without compromising the response. With some new wheels as well, it’s probably the best a BRZ has ever looked. An auto isn’t ideal, though beggars can’t really be choosers when it comes to JDM BRZs and 86s - there really aren’t many. With minimal mileage, lots of history and the seemingly brilliant condition, there surely won’t be better around. Which means paying £23k for one; a lot when standard cars are less than £10k, though you’d surely never make a supercharged TS like this for less. There are still standard, late GT86s being offered at £21k, and this promises much more fun. Better late than never, the significance is finally being reflected in residuals. 

With modifying such a key part of the GT86/BRZ appeal, you'd hope that maintaining a car like this shouldn’t be too much trouble. Low mass means less strain on components, and their relative simplicity means there isn’t too much to break. They’re the gift that keeps on giving, lightweight sports cars. Let’s hope we’re still talking about some kind of anniversary for them in another 15 years.


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Pauly308

Original Poster:

20 posts

20 months

Tuesday 29th September
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That is a great looking car, always liked these but that looks better still with the drop/body kit, a rare achievement. I was put off getting one because I had the last gen Celica from new for 6yrs, drove great but too many quality issues (water ingress, burning oil & a haunt gas fault nobody seemed to be able to fix).

JJJ.

5,566 posts

45 months

Tuesday 29th September
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Anyone know how are these engines holding up, especially with FI ?

Jte3397

1,934 posts

126 months

Tuesday 29th September
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I love the look of it and the supercharger but not an auto box. Not in a car like this.

350Matt

3,903 posts

309 months

Tuesday 29th September
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JJJ. said:
Anyone know how are these engines holding up, especially with FI ?
if you keep the boost sub 0.5 bar ish then the stock chocolate rods are usually fine which is about 280-300 bhp at the crank

there was a well publicized valve spring recall, which is an engine out job ( flat four layout) and the oil pickup in the sump is prone to being uncovered a track days with decent tyres - leading to damaged big-end shells - the fix is a decent sump baffle plate

other than that generally well behaved

JJJ.

5,566 posts

45 months

Tuesday 29th September
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350Matt said:
JJJ. said:
Anyone know how are these engines holding up, especially with FI ?
if you keep the boost sub 0.5 bar ish then the stock chocolate rods are usually fine which is about 280-300 bhp at the crank

there was a well publicized valve spring recall, which is an engine out job ( flat four layout) and the oil pickup in the sump is prone to being uncovered a track days with decent tyres - leading to damaged big-end shells - the fix is a decent sump baffle plate

other than that generally well behaved
Good to know, cheers.

DaveyBoyWonder

3,902 posts

204 months

Tuesday 29th September
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Seems good vfm with the supercharger, the fact its a ltd edition with the additional (far better looking) aero and a set of SSRs which are what, at least £1500+ normally?

cerb4.5lee

44,725 posts

210 months

Tuesday 29th September
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I loved that it has forced induction, but I'd really prefer a manual gearbox though.

nismo48

7,072 posts

237 months

Tuesday 29th September
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Good value for money and looks the part too.
Wondering what she's pumping out horsepower wise scratchchin

JJJ.

5,566 posts

45 months

Tuesday 29th September
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nismo48 said:
Good value for money and looks the part too.
Wondering what she's pumping out horsepower wise scratchchin
Judging by what 350Matt said above and it's running stock internals with the S/C @ 7psi that would equate to 197bhp + 70 (10 bhp per psi) less 20bhp S/C drive loss, my estimate is around 250bhp.

Frimley111R

19,235 posts

264 months

Tuesday 29th September
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350Matt said:
... the stock chocolate rods are usually fine ...
The rods are fine, but in any engine, if you significantly increase power things may fail.

disco666

686 posts

176 months

Tuesday 29th September
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Why would someone modify one with an auto gearbox?

cerb4.5lee

44,725 posts

210 months

Tuesday 29th September
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JJJ. said:
nismo48 said:
Good value for money and looks the part too.
Wondering what she's pumping out horsepower wise scratchchin
Judging by what 350Matt said above and it's running stock internals with the S/C @ 7psi that would equate to 197bhp + 70 (10 bhp per psi) less 20bhp S/C drive loss, my estimate is around 250bhp.
I thought around 250bhp was a fantastic sweet spot in my old manual S14a 200SX for sure. Not too much, but not too little either for around 1200kg(ish). My Cerbera after the 200 wasn't quite as easy to exploit in comparison I thought, and they weighed quite similar to each other for example.

86wasagoodyear

984 posts

126 months

Tuesday 29th September
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I've looked at standard ones of these sooo many times as I'd love one as a daily. Just can't get past the total absence of rear seat leg space .. not helpful with teens & their mates to run around several times a week. If only they'd found just 15-20 cm extra space there...

Mr Tidy

31,534 posts

157 months

Tuesday 29th September
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I'm sure I read about them for a couple of years or more before they went on sale. I won a competition to win a drive in one up the hill at the launch event at Goodwood, but got given an Auto. frown

I quite liked it though so booked a test drive in a manual in 2014 on my birthday. I loved how it handled but the power delivery in the mid-range felt really flat, it didn't feel like it had 200bhp and with a couple of options the price I got quoted was heading towards £30K.

250bhp or so with a smoother power delivery would have made a huge difference but not with the Autobox!


Clad-Hach

941 posts

18 months

Tuesday 29th September
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A while back I was very close to buying a standard BRZ, for some reason I liked it over the GT86...probably just being a Subaru.

The dealer didn't have a demo so I went and drove the Toyota...oh my god I dodged a bullet, the engine was awful, the worst I've ever driven ( I take that back Porsche flat 4 in the 718 )

Still the BRZ looked great especially with the small spoiler on the back...I always wondered why they never did a turbo version.

soad

34,663 posts

206 months

Tuesday 29th September
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cerb4.5lee said:
I loved that it has forced induction, but I'd really prefer a manual gearbox though.
This, all day long.

GravelBen

16,503 posts

260 months

Wednesday
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DaveyBoyWonder said:
... with the additional (far better looking) aero ...
I think I still prefer the cleaner lines without it, but the STI aero kit has grown on me. I bought one which has the aero kit along with various other other STI options including suspension (pink springs with Bilsteins and STI pillow-ball links) and exhaust, initially thought I might remove the aero trim but it suits the car well enough as a package so it can stay (at least for now). Gratuitous photo post...

Subaru BRZ by Ben, on Flickr

Great fun to drive, I struggle to understand peoples complaints about the engine and have to assume they are comparing it with turbo engines. It's a revvy 2.0 NA, its never going to have a big slug of lazy mid range torque like a turbo but IMO it suits the character of the car and the torque is fine for a 2.0 NA.

They do seem quite sensitive to fuel which may explain some of the comments - they are safe but won't give full performance on 95 RON, 98 is recommended. I filled mine with 100 RON shortly after buying it and the engine sharpened up significantly, presumably the dealer had put 95 in it to save a few dollars.

Edited by GravelBen on Wednesday 30th September 01:14

cerb4.5lee

44,725 posts

210 months

Wednesday
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Clad-Hach said:
Still the BRZ looked great especially with the small spoiler on the back...I always wondered why they never did a turbo version.
I'm like a broken record on this(and many other things in fairness! hehe), but I could never understand why they didn't offer both NA and a turbo version as you say. You'd have kept almost everyone happy then I think.

The purists would embrace the NA version, and then those looking for more performance would have to option to go for the turbo version instead.

I've had to buy 2 cars to tick that box for example, and I've got the 370Z for the old school NA bit, and I've got the F82 M4 to tick my love of turbos and performance as well though.

Give me one of these with a turbo on it though, and I'd be more than happy with just one car like I was with my old 200SX I reckon. Plus tuning a turbo is much cheaper and easier versus NA if you did want more performance as well.

Jon_S_Rally

4,455 posts

118 months

Wednesday
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disco666 said:
Why would someone modify one with an auto gearbox?
I think it's an overseas thing. Buyers in a lot of countries really don't want manual cars. I've lived in Saudi for five years and you can still buy the GR86 here, but most of the ones you see are auto. I saw a turbocharged GT86 at a car event a few months ago and that was automatic too. It would totally spoil the car for me, but it seems to be the norm in a lot of places.

mjspencer348

369 posts

5 months

Wednesday
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Much ink has already been spilt over the design ethos of the GT86 / BRZ, but on the question of whether there should have been an official forced induction variant, the car's lead engineer, Akihero Nagaya, was insistent on the instant throttle response that only a naturally aspirated engine could provide. I can understand that. However, what I could never understand was his decision to 'undertyre' the car, the grip limits were deliberately lowered to allow drivers feel the car move about at sane road speeds. This low speed adjustability was marketed as driver involvement, however, personally speaking, I always prefer the more traditional approach to handling balance, ie. not cornering on rails, but equally, not having to manage low speed oversteer in what is a modestly-powered sports car. Each to their own.