RE: You can buy a 635hp Formentor from a Cupra dealer
RE: You can buy a 635hp Formentor from a Cupra dealer
Thursday 14th May

You can buy a 635hp Formentor from a Cupra dealer

Just when you thought we'd seen it all for the Audi 2.5, along comes Abt with water-ethanol injection...


While Cupra largely busies itself with the future of electromobility for people who have a favourite tote bag, it does sometimes still let its hair down. Remember the Formentor VZ5, the forbidden fruit of the Cupra range for so long, is coming to the UK this year. Pretty soon, in fact. Last year’s launch suggested that there was cause to be very enthusiastic about the prospect of a five-cylinder Formentor, so let’s hope it’s equally impressive over here. 

To whet the appetite further, here’s what Abt can achieve with that fabulous engine in a Formentor. On the face of it, this looks like little more than another Abt special edition, with its aerokit and badges. But look a little closer and it’s clear that this is a rather more serious Cupra, as it’s wearing Trofeo RS tyres (the most extreme road legal rubber Pirelli does) and the embroidered floor mats say ‘VZ5 635’ on them…

So, yep, this is a 635hp small SUV. Madness. Yet quite subtle for Abt as well: those are standard pipes and wheels by the looks of it. And while most of the engine upgrades for the Formentor are unsurprising - Abt’s own turbo, intercooler and software - there’s also the small matter of IWI, or Indirect Water/Ethanol Injection. Once more it’s Abt’s own creation; those with very good recall might remember that it has previously used this technology to create huge power from an Audi engine, with the 1,000hp RS7 Legacy Edition

By drastically cooling the temperature of the intake air, more can be crammed into the combustion chamber; more air can be mixed with more fuel for (much) more power. The fluid required for IWI can be displayed on the app, which must be the best use for a car app yet. Abt suggests that its technology makes for ‘a drivetrain without equal in an SUV of this class’

Check out the stance, too. This hasn’t just been dropped on some lowering springs, instead kitted out with two-way adjustable coilovers. Apparently the suspension is ‘consistently sport-oriented’, whatever fiddling is done - probably sensible with almost 250hp over stock - and has a ‘particular focus on the demands of the Nordschleife.’ Surely many a happy tourist lap could be spent annoying Porsches with one of these. 

Daniel Abt said: "The Formentor is already a strong car straight from the factory. That's exactly why it was the right base for us. What our team in Kempten has created from it makes me genuinely proud. In terms of driving dynamics, the VZ5 635 is in a class of its own.” This isn’t just some crazy one-off commission though, as Abt will actually build 30 of these 635hp Cupras; this year marks 130 years of the company, remember, and there’s absolutely no danger of that anniversary going uncelebrated. For now, the cars are only being sold in Germany, Austria and Switzerland, but there is an official Cupra-Abt relationship these days. In the UK we’re extremely fond of the five-cylinder and a Cupra hot hatch in all its forms, so there must be some hope yet. We’re not greedy, either - 500hp would be just fine…


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fantheman80

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2,472 posts

74 months

Thursday 14th May
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I am sure ABT give a warranty as well so that's pretty impressive from an OEM tie up as lots of modded big power RS3s out there and lots of spent rods and diffs..! Just wish it was in a Leon

foxhounduk

682 posts

205 months

Thursday 14th May
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Great news. I have a Formentor 310ps which I bought from new and it’s a formidable weapon. The acceleration, grip, space, ground clearance, even MPG. It’s amazing. The only issue I’ve ever had is the occasional electrical gremlins; a trait plagued upon all VAG products though.

Hub

7,053 posts

223 months

Thursday 14th May
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I'd settle for a standard VZ5, probably enough for me - quick enough and you get the character of the engine. This will probably add a lot of cost to an already pricey car and the extra cooling system stuff is something else to maintain and keep an eye on.

ricmcl14

68 posts

91 months

Thursday 14th May
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I constantly hear people talk about how good these are but... I dunno, for me personally they're just really 'meh'. The band feels like it has next to no identity beyond grey and bronze and there's no sporting identity outside of selling grey and bronze cars. I'm sure they're great as everyone seems to attest to they've just missed me altogether.

bigmowley

2,578 posts

201 months

Thursday 14th May
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With a kerb weight of what? About 1650KG’s? Along with Trofeo R tyres that will be pretty handy round a fast open circuit like Spa or Silverstone GP. I wonder how long the brakes would last? Might do half a dozen seriously entertaining laps. I like it.

dukebox9reg

1,705 posts

173 months

Thursday 14th May
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Its called an SUV purely to be able to charge more for it.....

Its a hatchback.

NGK210

4,714 posts

170 months

Thursday 14th May
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Add a couple of layers of clearcoat and paint the wheels porker weiss gold, please party

tripleB

51 posts

113 months

Thursday 14th May
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So what do we reckon? If the base VZ5 is circa £60k… will this be the first Cupra to break £75k?

Andy86GT

953 posts

90 months

Thursday 14th May
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When I see these hugely boosted cars I just think, how long can the cars OEM parts tolerate it? Have visions of someone trying a launch and ending up with a pile of big ends and gears under the car.

fantheman80

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2,472 posts

74 months

Thursday 14th May
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Andy86GT said:
When I see these hugely boosted cars I just think, how long can the cars OEM parts tolerate it? Have visions of someone trying a launch and ending up with a pile of big ends and gears under the car.
Yeah, I am as tired of seeing 'built engine' and 'forged' in boosted motors as much as the next guy, but that's alot of power through the presumably standard internals

CountyLines

4,993 posts

28 months

Thursday 14th May
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Fantastic!

georgeyboy12345

4,429 posts

60 months

Thursday 14th May
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I’d prefer it in a hatchback body, the Leon equivalent or whatever stupid name Cupra give it.

pb8g09

3,107 posts

94 months

Thursday 14th May
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foxhounduk said:
Great news. I have a Formentor 310ps which I bought from new and it s a formidable weapon. The acceleration, grip, space, ground clearance, even MPG. It s amazing. The only issue I ve ever had is the occasional electrical gremlins; a trait plagued upon all VAG products though.
When you say gremlins do you mean a bug that when you turn on the car next time are gone or do you mean stuff that you’ve actually had to have looked at?

blue al

1,361 posts

184 months

Friday 15th May
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The water meth if reliable will make the rest of the engine more reliable, will reduce carbon buildup, it's a win win in most instances

Blackpuddin

19,210 posts

230 months

Friday 15th May
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tripleB said:
So what do we reckon? If the base VZ5 is circa £60k will this be the first Cupra to break £75k?
I’d be pleasantly surprised if it comes in at under £100k

dukebox9reg

1,705 posts

173 months

Friday 15th May
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georgeyboy12345 said:
I d prefer it in a hatchback body, the Leon equivalent or whatever stupid name Cupra give it.
Its pretty much identical to the Leon, the extra height purely being in the ground clearance




nismo48

6,535 posts

232 months

Friday 15th May
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ricmcl14 said:
I constantly hear people talk about how good these are but... I dunno, for me personally they're just really 'meh'. The band feels like it has next to no identity beyond grey and bronze and there's no sporting identity outside of selling grey and bronze cars. I'm sure they're great as everyone seems to attest to they've just missed me altogether.
+1

BFleming

3,888 posts

168 months

Friday 15th May
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I've got a Formentor, they're a nice place to be, well equipped, drive well etc. Just the constant OTA updates and having to re-login as a user for it to remember your settings does my head in. But I don't think that's just a VAG thing these days - it's just that VAG do it worse then anyone.

Clad-Hach

419 posts

13 months

Friday 15th May
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The title says "You can buy a 635hp Formentor from a Cupra dealer" but why would you want to.

Its not a pretty thing is it, when tell your car mates your new car is called an ABT Formentor they will laugh at you, but its got fancy floor mats those will make all the difference.

People that buy this stuff cannot have any taste, imagine their houses.

CSR Performance

501 posts

13 months

Friday 15th May
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Is the ride still appalling?