RE: Ford Fiesta ST (Mk6) | PH Fleet
RE: Ford Fiesta ST (Mk6) | PH Fleet
Thursday 26th February

Ford Fiesta ST (Mk6) | PH Fleet

Rot means Cam's ambitious Fiesta RS concept build hangs in the balance...


It was inevitable, really. After nine years of ownership and over 50,000 miles covered in that time, my beloved Ford Fiesta ST is showing signs of rot. Mainly around the sills, but there’s also some bubbling below the rear window. Of course, rust is to be expected on a 20-year-old hatchback that’s been daily driven for most of its life, and I’m amazed it’s taken this long to appear - but that doesn’t make the news any easier to swallow.

Obviously, rusty sills aren’t necessarily terminal, and they’re pretty common on the Mk6 ST. The side skirts are fastened onto the body, accumulating water and all sorts of muck over time, trapping it against the sills. Fixing it shouldn’t be a huge headache, though it now sits at the top of an extensive list of bodywork fixes (door dent from when a child crashed their bike into it while parked, key mark down the wing from a previous owner, among many other things). The problem is that it puts the brakes on an ambitious and elaborate plan I had for it.

See, for the last couple of years, I’ve been doing some digging into the epic Fiesta RS concept, which Ford debuted in 2004 alongside the ST and Fiesta Rallye concept. The ST and rally car would both make production, but the RS concept was canned about a year later owing to the massive costs needed to build the thing. It was meant to have a 180hp version of the naturally aspirated 2.0-litre Duratec found in the ST, )(though some say that the plan was to turbocharge it) and resemble the rally car, albeit around 20mm narrower. That’s about all I’ve been able to garner, with Ford claiming that it was simply a design study. Even the show car was destroyed, meaning the only thing that remains of the concept is some studio shots on the firm’s online archive.

So, having been bitten by the tuning bug during our project car series, I thought I’d have a crack at turning my slightly tatty ST into the RS that never was. The smart thing to do is sort out all the problems, then add upgrades before nailing the styling. No one makes the RS body kit (all the recreations I’ve seen use the much wider JWRC kit), so the car would need to be 3D-scanned and modelled digitally. And seeing as though the kit would add so much width to the car, mucking about with the chassis didn’t make all that much sense until the body was sorted.

That brings us to January this year. Having just bought the BMW 435i Gran Coupe, which took over the role as my daily driver, the plan was to get the Fiesta serviced and MOT’d before sending it off to get scanned. So I drove down to Regal Autosport in Southampton with a list of fixes that needed doing before visiting the MOT centre. It’s a fantastic outfit, as you may have seen if you joined us for our Sunday Service there at the end of last year, and the team are brilliant at whacking together a project car. My thinking was to start off with a service, and hopefully bring it back to them once I had some upgrades to bolt on.

As mentioned in previous reports, finding a Ford specialist in my local area has been nigh on impossible and most of my local garages have little interest beyond getting the thing fixed and out the door. The great thing about the Regal squad is that they not only know what they’re doing (which, again, has been hard to come by) but they’re proper enthusiasts. Most have projects of their own, and humoured me while I recited my RS project for the umpteenth time. And when I told them I’d be going on holiday and wouldn’t be able to pick it up for a couple of weeks, they seemed more than happy to hold onto it until my return. 

Granted, there were no great shocks when the call came to say the car was done. All the potential MOT-failing bits were sorted and the warning light for the brake fluid had vanished. Advisories for corroded dampers and windscreen chips (which were filled in but visible) were expected, too. It’s only the sill corrosion that came as a surprise, and while it’s certainly fixable it does scupper the Fiesta RS project somewhat. 

Not only that, but it’s changed the way I look at the car. The plan was to hold onto the car for as long as possible, because it isn’t really worth anything and has been absolutely bulletproof in my ownership. But I’ve now been presented with a few painful bills just to keep it MOT fit, and it’s going to at least need the sills, dampers and windscreen doing to clear the next one. All money that I’d like to put into making the 435i as tidy as possible, but I need a manual hot hatch of some sort in my life. If only to keep my eye in with an H-pattern. 

What do I do? Keep it running, put some money into all the little bits that need doing so as not to postpone the RS project indefinitely? Or has the time come to move it on to a new owner? I’d hate to see it go, but I’d also hate to see it fall into a state of disrepair. Advice very much appreciated...


FACT SHEET 

Car: 2005 Ford Fiesta ST
Run by: Cam Tait
Bought: April 2017
Mileage: 144,000-ish
Last month at a glance: Rot sets in. Time to ditch?

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bangerhoarder

Original Poster:

728 posts

91 months

Thursday 26th February
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Keep it and give it the love. Like all old Fords, they drop into a dead-zone of value, get neglected and abused, then get rare as they rot away.

How many people regret keeping a car? It's very few compared to the number that regret getting rid.

You know this one, and a bit of welding is to be expected. Try and replace it with another in the future and you may end up with a right dog.

The BMW is white goods...

J4CKO

45,878 posts

223 months

Thursday 26th February
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bangerhoarder said:
Keep it and give it the love. Like all old Fords, they drop into a dead-zone of value, get neglected and abused, then get rare as they rot away.

How many people regret keeping a car? It's very few compared to the number that regret getting rid.

You know this one, and a bit of welding is to be expected. Try and replace it with another in the future and you may end up with a right dog.

The BMW is white goods...
So the six cylinder BMW is "White goods" ? But a Fiesta isnt ? I have a much modified MK7 ST which I love but lets not kid ourselves they were, like the BMW not all mass market transport with a bit more power.

These are never going to be that valuable, its 22 years old and even mint ones arent huge money, you could drop a fortune into it and its a still a very leggy one thats been welded, if you do sort it do it because you want to drive it, not any notion its ever going to be worth much. If you have the time, space and inclination maybe have a go yourself ?

These had a following but they were never that popular, largely overshadowed by the Clio 172/182 at the time.


muppet42

401 posts

228 months

Thursday 26th February
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While some will say that that's what you should expect from a Ford, I've found that many with side skirts are suffering similarly without owners realising.

Having owned a Panda 100HP, there are a multitude of owners finding that although the body looks pristine, as soon as those side skirts are taken off, there can be literal holes in the sills from trapped debris and lightly salted moisture. Despite what many think of Italian cars, they don't actually rust as badly as many...cough...Japanese...cough.

At this mileage and age, I'd say keep and sort. I wouldn't think the repairs required would absolutely break the bank and replacement dampers mean upgrade time biggrin

fantheman80

2,395 posts

72 months

Thursday 26th February
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Apart from the sils, do the forums tell you where is next to go? Is the sils repairs going to buy you years of time? An RS concept with Focus RS mk1 wheels would be amazing, but if your chasing it with a welding torch for years after would it have been really worth all that money on the kit

Jon_S_Rally

4,304 posts

111 months

Thursday 26th February
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Get the sills welded and carry on. It's an old car, so this kind of thing is to be expected in reality. The windscreen could be done through insurance, so shouldn't cost much and, if the "RS" thing is the intention, you'd be replacing the suspension anyway, so it's an expense that was going to come sooner or later.

Turbobanana

7,873 posts

224 months

Thursday 26th February
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J4CKO said:
So the six cylinder BMW is "White goods" ? But a Fiesta isn't ?
As bizarre as the words make it sound, I can understand where the comment comes from.

I have no interest in either car, but I appreciate that the writer considers the BMW as a daily, reliable driver that does a job, and the Fiesta as a toy that he will spend money on. If it were me, I'd want something slightly more exotic than a Fiesta, but we all said that about Mk1 & 2 Escorts in the 90s and look what happened to them.

86wasagoodyear

864 posts

119 months

Thursday 26th February
quotequote all
bangerhoarder said:
Keep it and give it the love. Like all old Fords, they drop into a dead-zone of value, get neglected and abused, then get rare as they rot away.

How many people regret keeping a car? It's very few compared to the number that regret getting rid.

You know this one, and a bit of welding is to be expected. Try and replace it with another in the future and you may end up with a right dog.

The BMW is white goods...
^^This is the correct answer. Sell and regret at your peril !!
Get it fixed up & take it on a week and 000s miles road trip to the Alps next August-September.

RSstuff

897 posts

38 months

Thursday 26th February
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What money does an early MK7 Fiesta ST start at now, it's pointless throwing money at a tatty MK6, when the MK7 did everything better straight out of the box.

350Matt

3,866 posts

302 months

Thursday 26th February
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What would you replace it with though?

if it owes you nothing and still enjoy it , fix it and carry on I'd say

mooseracer

2,634 posts

193 months

Thursday 26th February
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My reply seems to have gone somewhere else.

I'd say forget the "RS" thing and just keep it on the road, to use when it takes your fancy. It shouldn't cost much to do.

fantheman80

2,395 posts

72 months

Thursday 26th February
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RSstuff said:
What money does an early MK7 Fiesta ST start at now, it's pointless throwing money at a tatty MK6, when the MK7 did everything better straight out of the box.
But the Mk6 was the RS concept, not the Mk7, the whole point of his project

Konan

2,452 posts

169 months

Thursday 26th February
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I enjoy my fords in the 'keep it going' capacity.

Spend a bit to keep it safe/legal but no more than you have to. And then drive it till the wheels come off.

framerateuk

2,864 posts

207 months

Thursday 26th February
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I loved my MK6.

I only got rid of it because I woke up one morning to find some horrible kids had nicked the front bumper and spoiler - it used to happen a lot with them!

I had the Mountune 185 kit fitted along with their KW coilover setup. It was far faster than the standard car and made a heck of a noise! I did have to change the exhaust though as it just droned too much.

My friend has one on the higher profile ZS wheels and tyres and while driving to the Silverstone Classic a few years ago I couldn't keep up with him at all on the rutted roads. When we arrived he showed me his handy work.... he'd fitted a turbo. No idea on power output but my Megane 280 could not keep up on those roads!

RSstuff

897 posts

38 months

Thursday 26th February
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fantheman80 said:
RSstuff said:
What money does an early MK7 Fiesta ST start at now, it's pointless throwing money at a tatty MK6, when the MK7 did everything better straight out of the box.
But the Mk6 was the RS concept, not the Mk7, the whole point of his project
Ford binned it because it made more sense to develop the completely new MK7 1.6 turbo.


Edited by RSstuff on Thursday 26th February 19:06

nismo48

6,281 posts

230 months

Thursday 26th February
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86wasagoodyear said:
bangerhoarder said:
Keep it and give it the love. Like all old Fords, they drop into a dead-zone of value, get neglected and abused, then get rare as they rot away.

How many people regret keeping a car? It's very few compared to the number that regret getting rid.

You know this one, and a bit of welding is to be expected. Try and replace it with another in the future and you may end up with a right dog.

The BMW is white goods...
^^This is the correct answer. Sell and regret at your peril !!
Get it fixed up & take it on a week and 000s miles road trip to the Alps next August-September.
Good call thumbup

AlandSoph

144 posts

10 months

Thursday 26th February
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mooseracer said:
My reply seems to have gone somewhere else.

I'd say forget the "RS" thing and just keep it on the road, to use when it takes your fancy. It shouldn't cost much to do.
Have to agree. To 'RS' it would cost a bomb, and it'd never be worth much with 3D printed panels. Get it mechanically sorted, maybe up the hp a little, and then drive it hard until it dies. It's what the car would want!


and31

4,577 posts

150 months

Thursday 26th February
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framerateuk said:
I loved my MK6.

I only got rid of it because I woke up one morning to find some horrible kids had nicked the front bumper and spoiler - it used to happen a lot with them!

I had the Mountune 185 kit fitted along with their KW coilover setup. It was far faster than the standard car and made a heck of a noise! I did have to change the exhaust though as it just droned too much.

My friend has one on the higher profile ZS wheels and tyres and while driving to the Silverstone Classic a few years ago I couldn't keep up with him at all on the rutted roads. When we arrived he showed me his handy work.... he'd fitted a turbo. No idea on power output but my Megane 280 could not keep up on those roads!
I loved my ST150 aswell,was a lovely car with a few mountune bits on,wish I’d kept it,like I wish I’d kept the RS turbos and XR2’s I had and sold for peanuts!!

JoshSm

3,459 posts

60 months

Saturday 28th February
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Mine never rusted like that even with my 20+ years of abuse & neglect & salty German winters. Most rot it got was a little starting on the spare wheel well plus some cosmetically scabby suspension.

Oh, and the battery tray support, where some MOT tester thought the very slight frilly drain hole was serious structural corrosion because they didn't know what that bit was or that it was supposed to have a hole in it. Three bolts later one shiny new support. Next MOT tester complimented the state of the underside...

OEM exhaust rear boxes did like to rot though given a bit of time. Aftermarket ones would rust in days.

It did get through a lot of parts over the years but rust wasn't the concern.

Shame some moron killed the thing for me while it was stationary.


Bill

57,259 posts

278 months

Saturday 28th February
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AlandSoph said:
mooseracer said:
My reply seems to have gone somewhere else.

I'd say forget the "RS" thing and just keep it on the road, to use when it takes your fancy. It shouldn't cost much to do.
Have to agree. To 'RS' it would cost a bomb, and it'd never be worth much with 3D printed panels. Get it mechanically sorted, maybe up the hp a little, and then drive it hard until it dies. It's what the car would want!
TBF it's never going to be worth much as it's not a cosseted garage queen. The risk with the body kit is that it ends up looking a bit tragic to anyone but the biggest Ford nerds.

But I've never been that bothered about how my cars look, much more how they drive, so I'm in the fix it and drive it camp.

MyV10BarksAndBites

1,666 posts

72 months

Saturday 28th February
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J4CKO said:
So the six cylinder BMW is "White goods" ? But a Fiesta isnt ? I have a much modified MK7 ST which I love but lets not kid ourselves they were, like the BMW not all mass market transport with a bit more power.

These are never going to be that valuable, its 22 years old and even mint ones arent huge money, you could drop a fortune into it and its a still a very leggy one thats been welded, if you do sort it do it because you want to drive it, not any notion its ever going to be worth much. If you have the time, space and inclination maybe have a go yourself ?

These had a following but they were never that popular, largely overshadowed by the Clio 172/182 at the time.
biglaughbiglaughbeer Right..... Thanks for keeping it real on PH beer