RE: Not dead yet: Toyota visualises new sport sedan
RE: Not dead yet: Toyota visualises new sport sedan
Friday 24th October

Not dead yet: Toyota visualises new sport sedan

New SEMA concept shows what's possible if you take the brakes off...


Sporty saloons, bejewelled with big wheels and wannabe spoilers, used to be the lifeblood of the mainstream car market, alongside hot hatches and compact execs. Famously, badge-conscious reps used to vie with each other for the implied status of their Vauxhall or Ford, brands that knew everything there was to know about primping (or pimping) a humble Insignia or Mondeo for all it was worth. They were good and happy times. 

In some respects, the legacy has been passed to the likes of Audi and BMW, who continue to produce large, mid-sized lineups with often knife-edge differentiation between trim levels - though it isn’t quite as fun as bunging a devil-may-care splitter on something mundane. Toyota, the one manufacturer we can increasingly rely on to get it, gets it. Or it does in the States, at any rate: behold the Camry GT-S Concept bound for SEMA next month. 

Okay, the big-selling Camry is dead as disco in Western Europe, but it shows what can still be done if you take an otherwise humdrum saloon and wave a styling wand over it. ‘Unlike the over-the-top builds that often headline SEMA, the GT-S stays rooted in reality,’ boasts Toyota - and you can’t get more rooted in reality than sticking with the standard 232hp 2.5-litre hybridised four-pot under the hood. They haven’t even bothered with overhauling the interior. 

No, this is all about stick-on body addenda, custom ‘Inferno Flare’ paint, a chunkier exhaust and arch-filling 20-inch alloys. And the benefit of fitting adjustable coilovers, which drop the ride height by a whopping 1.5 inches. Toyota has even fitted massive 365mm discs and 8-piston calipers to complete the look. “This build is intentionally grounded,” says the marketing boss. “It’s the kind of car customers can picture themselves driving home. SEMA gives us the chance to test new ideas, listen to enthusiasts, and explore how we continue to evolve Camry in ways that excite and inspire.” If it ever gets around to doing the same with the Corolla, it might keep the other half of the planet happy, too. 


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Twinair

Original Poster:

939 posts

161 months

Friday 24th October
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2.5 hybrid - can morph into 3.0 V6 hybrid, can morph into batst crazy V8…!!

Make, make, make and be damned the legislators…!

ShredderXLE

734 posts

178 months

Friday 24th October
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I would love something like that (with the 5.0 V8 from the Lexus range and no hybrid guff)

Andy86GT

731 posts

84 months

Friday 24th October
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Sadly if they did decide to bring it to UK they'd sell precisely none.
As intimated in the article, the only performance saloons that sell here in any numbers have to be made in Germany.

foxhounduk

622 posts

199 months

Friday 24th October
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Toyota are single handedly carrying the car industry. Everyone else are bootlicking the WEF EV blob machine and building bland cars and Toyota are saying who cares, let’s give it a go! From
rally cars to off roaders and LFA replacements, they’re not spineless jellies like the rest of ‘em.

brillomaster

1,578 posts

189 months

Friday 24th October
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looks great. i still like a sports saloon.

would ideally be RWD with some kind of turbocharged 6 cylinder, then i'm in. obviously dont care if its a hybrid or not, as long as it has a 6 cylinder engine.

nismo48

5,740 posts

226 months

Friday 24th October
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Hats off to Toyota for giving it a go.. smile

Martin-iksw8

6 posts

79 months

Friday 24th October
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Just buy an Alfa Giulia Quadrifoglio then?!

Chestrockwell

2,874 posts

176 months

Friday 24th October
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I like the idea of this with the standard hybrid powertrain

A lot of hybrids have a good amount of power/acceleration with a terrible suspension/brake set up.

The CVT isn't that bad once you're used to it and you have a good amount of power. I was driving the Mrs Lexus UX250h with haste the other day and engine noise aside, it's not that bad

Mr Tidy

27,993 posts

146 months

Friday 24th October
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I think it looks great, but with that powertrain it's a bit "all show and no go".

Definitely needs more than 4 cylinders. After all there used to be V6 Camrys, but maybe that wouldn't work with the hybrid bits?

CrgT16

2,345 posts

127 months

Friday 24th October
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The issue is a very draconian legislation and also the Toyota UK choices…

My next car would be a Toyota but then the hatchback is not that great and you start looking at the civic instead. Had a previous gen civic and was really a nice drive. They just don’t sell here I like Japanese carsZ Lexus is all suv now and not that exciting

thetapeworm

12,995 posts

258 months

Friday 24th October
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The 6 year old Mark X GRMN appeals to me more than this but I'm happy it exists.

https://toyotagazooracing.com/pages/grmn/markx/



ST3.14159265358979323846

258 posts

30 months

Saturday 25th October
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Toyota and Hyundai/KIA have to come up with something different or they will be swallowed whole by the noisy neighbours with >100 OEMs fighting, and heavily subsidized, to produce billion hp cars that cost £10 to make with zero servicing requirements.

Tough environment to exist in and with many people happy to pay upwards of £700/month for these vehicles from manufacturers that may not be around in 5-10 years it's a pretty grim outlook.

Edit: maybe consumers have to think harder about what they want in the future and less 'ow much ? now. Quality lasts long after the price is forgotten. Hard to swallow when many are struggling to keep it all together keeping a roof over their heads, food on the table, utility bills paid before the hike in prices we've seen since 2021 for anything mobility related.

Edited by ST3.14159265358979323846 on Saturday 25th October 04:34

Jader1973

4,667 posts

219 months

Saturday 25th October
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Looks like the sort of thing a slightly more well off Uber driver would pilot around Melbourne’s western suburbs.

Kipsrs

613 posts

68 months

Saturday 25th October
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I do like a sports SALOON!! This looks great and if produced and brought to the UK I could see it as being quite a hit for those who don't like most of the current European shaped SALOON offerings.

ST3.14159265358979323846

258 posts

30 months

Saturday 25th October
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The market for saloon cars in northern Europe is tiny, can't see any mass producer bothering at the moment when profits are thin.

I prefer a saloon, have had one in one form or another for the last 19 years but they are no good if you have a dog that doesn't pop in your handbag.

Last year I was in Dubai where every taxi is either a Camry or IS200. From my rear seat research if I were in the market I'd choose the IS200. It was a nicer place to sit and the ride was more to my taste, the Camry was a bit plastic and soft by comparison.
Behold: Lexus is nicer than Toyota equivalent shocker!

craigjm

19,856 posts

219 months

Saturday 25th October
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Martin-iksw8 said:
Just buy an Alfa Giulia Quadrifoglio then?!
Positively ancient in terms of cutting edge cars these days though. Buying a new one would be brave

smilo996

3,460 posts

189 months

Saturday 25th October
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The humble Camry grows teeth.

GT9

8,244 posts

191 months

Saturday 25th October
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Jader1973 said:
Looks like the sort of thing a slightly more well off Uber driver would pilot around Melbourne s western suburbs.
I get that, and I'd say, this car, would have exactly the same image problem here in the UK.
The people that it would appeal to are very much not new car buyers.
End results, zero sales.

andy43

12,105 posts

273 months

Saturday 25th October
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ShredderXLE said:
I would love something like that (with the 5.0 V8 from the Lexus range and no hybrid guff)
IS500
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uSLaSEqsuwc
Bit smaller. Shame they didn’t import these… but it’s the wrong badge.

biggbn

28,587 posts

239 months

Saturday 25th October
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foxhounduk said:
Toyota are single handedly carrying the car industry. Everyone else are bootlicking the WEF EV blob machine and building bland cars and Toyota are saying who cares, let s give it a go! From
rally cars to off roaders and LFA replacements, they re not spineless jellies like the rest of em.
Hyundai and Kia say hi...