ANPR-blocking 'ghost plates' set to come under parliamentary
Discussion
Story here, hopefully an end to C124PPY number plates.
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I always assumed things that stopped police cameras from reading plates was just BS and that nothing actually worked. Fixing the number plates won't fix anything, there's nothing you can do realistically with millions of cars using our std design plates.
For forecourt owners they need to look at new pumps that require pre authorisation, although I am sure that won't be cheap or easy to implement.
For cloned plates, it's essentially impossible to prevent that IMO.
For forecourt owners they need to look at new pumps that require pre authorisation, although I am sure that won't be cheap or easy to implement.
For cloned plates, it's essentially impossible to prevent that IMO.
Frimley111R said:
I always assumed things that stopped police cameras from reading plates was just BS and that nothing actually worked. Fixing the number plates won't fix anything, there's nothing you can do realistically with millions of cars using our std design plates.
For forecourt owners they need to look at new pumps that require pre authorisation, although I am sure that won't be cheap or easy to implement.
For cloned plates, it's essentially impossible to prevent that IMO.
Unless it becomes illegal to produce or sell number plates unless you are the sole authorised producer of such, as happens elsewhere. For forecourt owners they need to look at new pumps that require pre authorisation, although I am sure that won't be cheap or easy to implement.
For cloned plates, it's essentially impossible to prevent that IMO.
I always liked the idea of personalised registration plates as I grew up in a country that did not have them, however it seems that as always, the few ruin it for the many.
Bought numerous legal e marked car and bike plates from on line suppliers never had to supply proof of ownership.
Even bought blank plates with the e mark on them and a selection of numbers and letters.
Said plates have passed numerous mot’s and look identical to the faded / damaged ones they replaced
Even bought blank plates with the e mark on them and a selection of numbers and letters.
Said plates have passed numerous mot’s and look identical to the faded / damaged ones they replaced
Take your mobile phone and your TV remote. Point the end of the remote at the phone camera and press a button. You will see, on the screen the infra red bulb light up.
Now imagine the bulb wasn't on your infra red remote but in the middle of an 8 on a number plate. The 8 would look like a 0 to the camera.
Simon
Now imagine the bulb wasn't on your infra red remote but in the middle of an 8 on a number plate. The 8 would look like a 0 to the camera.
Simon
simonrockman said:
Take your mobile phone and your TV remote. Point the end of the remote at the phone camera and press a button. You will see, on the screen the infra red bulb light up.
Now imagine the bulb wasn't on your infra red remote but in the middle of an 8 on a number plate. The 8 would look like a 0 to the camera.
Simon
That's not how they work. Nobody makes number plates with infra red bulbs on the numbers.Now imagine the bulb wasn't on your infra red remote but in the middle of an 8 on a number plate. The 8 would look like a 0 to the camera.
Simon
There was a report in the paper that cited Rochdale Trading Standards dept. They'd just been dealing with a case tracking down a dodgy builder with such a plate.
They decided to find out who might be making and selling plates in their area. Contacted DVLA expecting there to be not that many, turned out to be 600. Just Rochdale. Operating from sheds, bedrooms wherever. 34,000 in the UK.
In London a survey of 1,000 private hire vehicles showed over 40% with dodgy plates.
They decided to find out who might be making and selling plates in their area. Contacted DVLA expecting there to be not that many, turned out to be 600. Just Rochdale. Operating from sheds, bedrooms wherever. 34,000 in the UK.
In London a survey of 1,000 private hire vehicles showed over 40% with dodgy plates.
FiF said:
There was a report in the paper that cited Rochdale Trading Standards dept. They'd just been dealing with a case tracking down a dodgy builder with such a plate.
They decided to find out who might be making and selling plates in their area. Contacted DVLA expecting there to be not that many, turned out to be 600. Just Rochdale. Operating from sheds, bedrooms wherever. 34,000 in the UK.
In London a survey of 1,000 private hire vehicles showed over 40% with dodgy plates.
The ‘ghost’ number plates haunting Britain’s policeThey decided to find out who might be making and selling plates in their area. Contacted DVLA expecting there to be not that many, turned out to be 600. Just Rochdale. Operating from sheds, bedrooms wherever. 34,000 in the UK.
In London a survey of 1,000 private hire vehicles showed over 40% with dodgy plates.
vikingaero said:
1 in 15 cars supposedly have Ghost plates. That's quite a high number if it is true.
Can we equip traffic cars with IR cameras and give powers to immediately confiscate vehicles fitted with Ghost plates, rather than letting them on the way and sending a summons in the post.
That feels inordinately high - Not sure I believe that tbh.Can we equip traffic cars with IR cameras and give powers to immediately confiscate vehicles fitted with Ghost plates, rather than letting them on the way and sending a summons in the post.
Id be stunned if the actual figure wasnt closer to 1/100 / 1/150
Shouldn't we all be supporting the police to get the resources to deal *appropriately* with the s
tty behaviour of criminals and the dregs of society that cause issues and affect citizens.
Example, specialist unit of iirc the Met chasing phone thieves. Equipped with drones, Surron e-bikes have been bought, unmarked vehicles to react quickly to phone thieves and bag snatchers mounted on e-bikes and scooters. With authority to make contact and knock the little tts off their transport.
Still you begin to wonder when you have a custody sergeant dismissed from the force for getting stuck in to try and control a violent over 6ft offender who is fighting, spitting and trying to bite and injure officers and putting him on the ground. Other officers now question what will happen if they lay hands on someone.
The fact is, and sorry for going off topic, but policing is confrontational. It's not a touchy feely sit around in a warm room with cups of tea and biscuits to talk about our feelings. At times it's ugly, you can't deal with an uncooperative or violent person without at some point laying hands on them. I'm in no way excusing corrupt or criminal officers. But it seems that the place is falling into a situation where impossible standards are being put in place, standards which will be judged post event by slopey shoulders crowd.
We, as a society, are in danger of letting people walk away and continue to create havoc. If it involves knocking phone thieves off their bikes, good, if it involves putting violent shop lifters on the ground to gain control, also good. If it involves having the means to deal with drivers who deliberately choose to hide the identity of their car then have the means to detect and deal with that effectively and appropriately. Clearly I'm not suggesting that such drivers should also in the process receive a Home Office approved dead leg, before anyone starts that squirrel running.
/rant, not enough swearing.
tty behaviour of criminals and the dregs of society that cause issues and affect citizens.Example, specialist unit of iirc the Met chasing phone thieves. Equipped with drones, Surron e-bikes have been bought, unmarked vehicles to react quickly to phone thieves and bag snatchers mounted on e-bikes and scooters. With authority to make contact and knock the little t
ts off their transport.Still you begin to wonder when you have a custody sergeant dismissed from the force for getting stuck in to try and control a violent over 6ft offender who is fighting, spitting and trying to bite and injure officers and putting him on the ground. Other officers now question what will happen if they lay hands on someone.
The fact is, and sorry for going off topic, but policing is confrontational. It's not a touchy feely sit around in a warm room with cups of tea and biscuits to talk about our feelings. At times it's ugly, you can't deal with an uncooperative or violent person without at some point laying hands on them. I'm in no way excusing corrupt or criminal officers. But it seems that the place is falling into a situation where impossible standards are being put in place, standards which will be judged post event by slopey shoulders crowd.
We, as a society, are in danger of letting people walk away and continue to create havoc. If it involves knocking phone thieves off their bikes, good, if it involves putting violent shop lifters on the ground to gain control, also good. If it involves having the means to deal with drivers who deliberately choose to hide the identity of their car then have the means to detect and deal with that effectively and appropriately. Clearly I'm not suggesting that such drivers should also in the process receive a Home Office approved dead leg, before anyone starts that squirrel running.
/rant, not enough swearing.
FiF said:
Shouldn't we all be supporting the police to get the resources to deal *appropriately* with the stty behaviour of criminals and the dregs of society that cause issues and affect citizens.
Example, specialist unit of iirc the Met chasing phone thieves. Equipped with drones, Surron e-bikes have been bought, unmarked vehicles to react quickly to phone thieves and bag snatchers mounted on e-bikes and scooters. With authority to make contact and knock the little tts off their transport.
Still you begin to wonder when you have a custody sergeant dismissed from the force for getting stuck in to try and control a violent over 6ft offender who is fighting, spitting and trying to bite and injure officers and putting him on the ground. Other officers now question what will happen if they lay hands on someone.
The fact is, and sorry for going off topic, but policing is confrontational. It's not a touchy feely sit around in a warm room with cups of tea and biscuits to talk about our feelings. At times it's ugly, you can't deal with an uncooperative or violent person without at some point laying hands on them. I'm in no way excusing corrupt or criminal officers. But it seems that the place is falling into a situation where impossible standards are being put in place, standards which will be judged post event by slopey shoulders crowd.
We, as a society, are in danger of letting people walk away and continue to create havoc. If it involves knocking phone thieves off their bikes, good, if it involves putting violent shop lifters on the ground to gain control, also good. If it involves having the means to deal with drivers who deliberately choose to hide the identity of their car then have the means to detect and deal with that effectively and appropriately. Clearly I'm not suggesting that such drivers should also in the process receive a Home Office approved dead leg, before anyone starts that squirrel running.
/rant, not enough swearing.
tty behaviour of criminals and the dregs of society that cause issues and affect citizens.Example, specialist unit of iirc the Met chasing phone thieves. Equipped with drones, Surron e-bikes have been bought, unmarked vehicles to react quickly to phone thieves and bag snatchers mounted on e-bikes and scooters. With authority to make contact and knock the little t
ts off their transport.Still you begin to wonder when you have a custody sergeant dismissed from the force for getting stuck in to try and control a violent over 6ft offender who is fighting, spitting and trying to bite and injure officers and putting him on the ground. Other officers now question what will happen if they lay hands on someone.
The fact is, and sorry for going off topic, but policing is confrontational. It's not a touchy feely sit around in a warm room with cups of tea and biscuits to talk about our feelings. At times it's ugly, you can't deal with an uncooperative or violent person without at some point laying hands on them. I'm in no way excusing corrupt or criminal officers. But it seems that the place is falling into a situation where impossible standards are being put in place, standards which will be judged post event by slopey shoulders crowd.
We, as a society, are in danger of letting people walk away and continue to create havoc. If it involves knocking phone thieves off their bikes, good, if it involves putting violent shop lifters on the ground to gain control, also good. If it involves having the means to deal with drivers who deliberately choose to hide the identity of their car then have the means to detect and deal with that effectively and appropriately. Clearly I'm not suggesting that such drivers should also in the process receive a Home Office approved dead leg, before anyone starts that squirrel running.
/rant, not enough swearing.
You assume, of course, that those in power WANT to improve things. I suspect that many politicians see a population who are fearful of something - crime, immigrants, etc. - is a population that can be swayed into voting for additional (unnecessary) legislation that can be abused in the future, rather than simply identifying the right resources/training/policies be applied within the current law (because that would be too easy).
It's impossible to stop online sellers selling plates. No point in any legislation for that.
Crims cloning plates? Very little you can do unless you have tech that can read a plate and identify the make and model of the vehicle to see if it matches. You could do this with AI and fit it to std Police vehicles.
For petrol stations the only thing they can do is change to preauthorisation/prepay as they do in the USA.
Crims cloning plates? Very little you can do unless you have tech that can read a plate and identify the make and model of the vehicle to see if it matches. You could do this with AI and fit it to std Police vehicles.
For petrol stations the only thing they can do is change to preauthorisation/prepay as they do in the USA.
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