RE: Every new Land Cruiser in Europe will be a hybrid

RE: Every new Land Cruiser in Europe will be a hybrid

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Every new Land Cruiser in Europe will be a hybrid

But don't worry - they will be as mild as day-old cheddar


Toyota actually told us a hybrid version of the Land Cruiser was coming when it launched the latest model back in 2023 - the revelation just got lost in all the fuss that surrounded the car’s impressively overhauled styling, which was remarkably on the nose for something that had previously looked about as appealing as a bank of portaloos. The firm suggested that the part-electrified version would be with us by 2025 - and, hey presto - here she is. 

If the thought of your teak-tough, go-anywhere SUV containing a lithium-ion battery feels you with dread, then worry not - we’re talking about the kind of mild-hybrid intervention that you won’t give much mind to a day-to-day basis, even when it’s doing its thing. The press release suggests that Toyota is minded to go the whole hog and actually call the resulting car the Land Cruiser Hybrid 48V, but the name change is fairly redundant on the basis that all European models will adopt the system as a matter of course. 

As you might expect, that system comprises an electric motor-generator (which replaces the standard alternator), a 48V lithium-ion battery and a DC-DC converter. The appeal of the tech from Toyota’s point of view - much as it is for all manufacturers - is its comparatively modest packaging requirements and low weight; the 13-cell battery weighs just 7.6kg. Not to mention its versatility, although this being Toyota, it reiterates that the two-arm belt tensioner used by the motor is engineered specifically with diesel engines in mind and ‘to meet the demands of rough-road driving’. 

Naturally, the diesel engine in question is the mechanically robust 2.8-litre four-pot (for now, the petrol iterations of the Land Cruiser remain off the menu) mated to an eight-speed auto. The car suffers no use case limitations for its hybrid gubbins - these have been mounted high on the engine block to retain the 700mm wade depth, and mirror the system already fitted to the Hilux.

The benefits of 48v hybridisation are familiar by now: Toyota promises swifter and much quieter start-stop functionality for one thing, though it is likely the initial boost in step-off performance that buyers will come to appreciate. The impact of 16hp and 48lb ft of torque might not sound significant in a car that weighs in the order of 2.3 tonnes and already provides 369lb ft from 1,600rpm - but that whiff of electrical assistance at the top of the pedal travel does tend to work wonders for responsiveness without seeming intrusive. 

At any rate, even if you don’t notice it, you’ll have the pleasure of knowing exactly what the system is doing based on an operating status read-out which shows CHG (energy regeneration), ECO or PWR (varying levels of assist). Exactly when this will appear on the driver’s display - and the difference (if any) it will make to the Land Cruiser’s starting price - isn’t immediately clear, although Toyota does suggest that the order books for national markets will open shortly ahead of customer deliveries from the end of this year. Much as it did last year, expect demand to outstrip supply.


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Clivey

Original Poster:

5,366 posts

218 months

Will they actually be selling any in the UK though, in light of the ZEV mandate?

All of Toyota's interesting vehicles aside from the Hilux are already limited availability!

Chris-c1qtx

15 posts

103 months

You're not wrong. Wake me up when they bring the hilux champ over here. (I know, that'll never happen)

Wardy78

1,012 posts

72 months

I see the appeal of these, and like the direction they've taken with the styling to go (arguably) backwards towards an earthier, more utilitarian design.

The LC has always been capable, but they had, IMO, pushed too far upmarket. An ex's boss had one, it could have been a Lexus version trying to compete with a FFRR (and similar pricing) but fell far sort. To eye up the defender in styling is a smart move, again IMO.

theicemario

1,167 posts

89 months

Boat-engined tank now available as a mild hybrid. Riveting stuff

Wardy78

1,012 posts

72 months

theicemario said:
Boat-engined tank now available as a mild hybrid. Riveting stuff
Riveting enough for you to care & post?

Mercutio

267 posts

176 months

When are we ever going to wake up as a people, and see that putting mild hybrids in a car like this is absurd - and we just need to stop buying cars for fashion and drive smaller cars?

I love the look of this thing, but it's huge and more than most people need.

Putting a hybrid in this is like wrapping a knuckleduster adorned fist in a set of velvet wraps. It is pointless and just done to meet regs, it's not helpful overall as this vehicle class doesn't need to have so many sales in this country.

I long for the days when people drove saloons, coupes, hatchbacks, interesting cars. Were the 90s and early 00s so bad?

Or should we all be driving these because we have 'bad backs' and 'active lifestyles'?

fk this car, and anyone who wants to defend it.


CDP

7,776 posts

268 months

No mention of improvement to fuel efficiency? 16bhp would be enough in stop start traffic jams but I guess it won’t run electric only.

dxg

9,332 posts

274 months

No power or torque figures???

Lots with the diesel engine available on the market, but 201hp just doesn't seem enough for such a large lump.

Wardy78

1,012 posts

72 months

Mercutio said:
When are we ever going to wake up as a people, and see that putting mild hybrids in a car like this is absurd - and we just need to stop buying cars for fashion and drive smaller cars?

I love the look of this thing, but it's huge and more than most people need.

Putting a hybrid in this is like wrapping a knuckleduster adorned fist in a set of velvet wraps. It is pointless and just done to meet regs, it's not helpful overall as this vehicle class doesn't need to have so many sales in this country.

I long for the days when people drove saloons, coupes, hatchbacks, interesting cars. Were the 90s and early 00s so bad?

Or should we all be driving these because we have 'bad backs' and 'active lifestyles'?

fk this car, and anyone who wants to defend it.
Since when do we need to limit people's car choice to strict 'need'? (and how do you justify the 'need' to own a 911?).

As for hybrid, it *is* there for a reason, which the article itself details. That small electric shove makes the drive a lot better, as it does with a lot of MHEV cars.

You long for the days of the 90s/00s with their saloons, coupes, hatchbacks, but you chose a Jaguar X-type so I'm not sure we can count your 90s/00s opinion as being of sound mind. wink

fk anyone a lot harder who feels they can tell me what car I should be buying!!

LayZ

1,722 posts

256 months

Amusing they rule out air suspension on these as too complex but sure let's have a mild hybrid system. Both tough to fix somewhere in the Sahara.

Edited by LayZ on Monday 23 June 16:16

Leithen

12,961 posts

281 months

And what of the Lexus GX?

s94wht

2,102 posts

73 months

Will they have solar panels on the roof, for the Taliban?

Matt_T

825 posts

88 months

Toyota already have the Highlander and LX450h for the European and US market, both of which use the 2.5 petrol hybrid which is super efficient. The LC is really designed for the African and SE Asian markets where fuel efficiency is less important that not dieing.

I assume that these are designed so as that in the event of a complete failure f the 48V hybrid system the car still works fine.

RizzoTheRat

26,745 posts

206 months

I'm surprised they're only doing it as a mild hybrid given how good thier full hybrid system is and that 99% of them will never go off-road. The Rav4 is now only available as a PHEV, and if you get it serviced by Toyota they'll keep the battery warranty for 15 years.

turbomoggie

256 posts

118 months

I'm a big Land Cruiser fan- despite never having owned one! Hopefully that will change one day. They've probably had to adopt this to meet emissions regulations so I'm all for it, if it means we still get to buy Land Cruisers in the UK.



Wardy78

1,012 posts

72 months

RizzoTheRat said:
I'm surprised they're only doing it as a mild hybrid given how good thier full hybrid system is and that 99% of them will never go off-road. The Rav4 is now only available as a PHEV, and if you get it serviced by Toyota they'll keep the battery warranty for 15 years.
Do you think 99% of these will not go off-road? I can believe that with the fashion SUV market, but a Landcrusier? Especially worldwide?

simon-tigjs

152 posts

111 months

In 15 years time you cant help but guess which car between a Defender and a Land cruiser will have proved the more reliable. They have been the car of choice to conquer the toughest conditions.

In my logic, given the small amount of other electrical work a diesel engine has to do , once running, it ought to be a given to mate it to a hybrid plus its economy over a petrol, in such a giant shoe box. Diesel are great off road as well, but its never caught on as a concept

I do wonder though what the long term future, and price, of diesel is , albeit there are plenty of HGV for now. Once a car to last half a lifetime and hold strong money , not sure about how it fits in given the future . Shame as I like what they've done

JJJ.

2,645 posts

29 months

I take it, owning one of these is not a fashion statement. Brilliant.

CDP

7,776 posts

268 months

LayZ said:
Amusing they rule out air suspension on these as too complex but sure let's have a mild hybrid system. Both tough to fix somewhere in the Sahra.
This sounds like a better starter/generator so is it that much worse than a conventional starter and alternator considering the diesel engine will by controlled by an ECU anyway?

RizzoTheRat

26,745 posts

206 months

Wardy78 said:
RizzoTheRat said:
I'm surprised they're only doing it as a mild hybrid given how good thier full hybrid system is and that 99% of them will never go off-road. The Rav4 is now only available as a PHEV, and if you get it serviced by Toyota they'll keep the battery warranty for 15 years.
Do you think 99% of these will not go off-road? I can believe that with the fashion SUV market, but a Landcrusier? Especially worldwide?
Worldwide probably not, but in Europe I doubt many will go offroad? You think they're not a fashion item now? They're not a cheap utilitarian offroader any more in the same way that the Defender isn't, they currently start at nearly £80k and presumably this new version will be more. A Hilux or a Shogun Sport are about half that.

Edited by RizzoTheRat on Monday 23 June 15:54