RE: Someone buy this Citroen BX 19 GTI before we do

RE: Someone buy this Citroen BX 19 GTI before we do

Tuesday 12th November

Someone buy this Citroen BX 19 GTI before we do

Remember when cars were built from idiosyncrasy and powered by the promise of 16 valves?


PH has made a mental note to pay a visit to Project Leven next time we’re near Exeter. Not because the specialist has the sort of stocklist that appeals to any warm-blooded PHer (though it does) but because it seems to have nailed the supply of Citroen BX GTIs. We pointed at a nice-looking one back in the summer that was for sale at the specialist. But this one, courtesy of the steering wheel being on the appropriate side of the cabin, is better. 

Admittedly, the BX is an acquired taste. It is as French as a frog holding a baguette. This is likely one of the reasons that it sunk without much of a trace when Citroen entered it into the late ‘80s affordable performance car market - a market already defined by the likes of the Mk1 Golf GTI and Peugeot 205 GTI. It didn’t stand much of a chance, and owners of the latter must shoulder some of the blame for the BX’s scarcity, on the basis that more than one car was bought in subsequent years as an engine donor. 

The reasons for this are entirely understandable. The more senior Phase 2 model got the naturally aspirated 1.9-litre 16-valve unit that also featured in the (much better looking) 405 Mi16 - meaning that with some light shoehorning, it slotted into the 205 engine’s bay using the original mounts. The result, thanks to the elevated 160hp and its hard-charging character, was an enlivening upgrade, but it made for more than one hollowed-out BX GTI. 

This is a shame because, as its idiosyncratic looks suggest, the squared-off Citroen made for a uniquely quirky drive. Much as we can now appreciate the genius of Marcello Gandini’s original design, now, in an age of tied-down electric SUVs, we’re probably better equipped to appreciate the pillowy lope of its hydropneumatic self-levelling suspension. This was stiffened for use in the GTI, but it still made for a very different experience to its contemporaries, majoring on corner-to-corner flow rate rather than maximum attack. 

One imagines it a very pleasant, carefree companion when driven today, with Matsui-grade interior plastics there to remind you that by 2024 standards, the BX weighs the equivalent of a gnat’s wing. You’ll want to make sure it’s all in good working order given its natural brittleness (spares will not be easy to come by) and, as with most cars of its era, you’ll also want to check that tin worm hasn’t turned the undersides into a six-course meal. 

A cursory glance at Project Leven’s latest example suggests that none of this should be a problem (or at least, hopefully not an insurmountable one). Any secondhand French car not kept in a climate-controlled plastic bubble is going to need a certain amount of upkeep, but with just 60k on the clock, this one, in quintessential white, looks the business. Prices have inevitably risen since the days when you could buy a part-wreck for a few hundred quid; rarity alone means this one is valued at a fiver short of £12k. Still, what a way to spend it.


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yme402

Original Poster:

462 posts

109 months

Tuesday 12th November
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This was a far better car than anything the Germans at the time could offer for the same money. Sadly, they are now even rarer due to being butchered for modified 205 GTIs.

yme402

Original Poster:

462 posts

109 months

Tuesday 12th November
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This was a far better car than anything the Germans at the time could offer for the same money. Sadly, they are now even rarer due to being butchered for modified 205 GTIs.

miniman

26,304 posts

269 months

Tuesday 12th November
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Lovely thing. Agree shame so many would have been sacrificed for 205s. Very quirky modern classic though, can’t be a bad investment.

350Matt

3,766 posts

286 months

Tuesday 12th November
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12K ??

Really ?


Robigus

58 posts

239 months

Tuesday 12th November
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I remember barreling along at high speeds in one of these by a smoking octogenarian who was more interested in talking about the technical aspects of the engineering, rather than paying attention to his driving.

Impressively stable. (The car, not him. He was nuts.)


Lincsls1

3,477 posts

147 months

Tuesday 12th November
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350Matt said:
12K ??

Really ?
Find another in that apparent condition.

Why is it so hard to believe when people are more than happy to spunk £250k and much more on a classic Ferrari or the like?
It's all relative surely.
If I was a die hard BX fan after this version and it was as tidy as seems, I'd be interested in it at that price.

Oceanrower

1,046 posts

119 months

Tuesday 12th November
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350Matt said:
12K ??

Really ?
There was me thinking that seemed quite reasonable!

Turbobanana

6,740 posts

208 months

Tuesday 12th November
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There's always an accusatory tone to PH articles on French / Italian cars that dares to suggest anyone whose tastes fall outside a narrowly drawn set of parallel lines needs their head examined. Can we not accept that a car that's made it this far isn't going to self destruct due to poor build quality? Can we celebrate the fact that someone, somewhere chose a different path and maybe, just maybe, there's someone around in 2024 that thinks the same?

I don't have garage space right now so I can't be in the market, but I'd pay the asking for this over an inferior product. Have you seen what contemporary Golf and 205 GTIs are making?

Lincsls1

3,477 posts

147 months

Tuesday 12th November
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Turbobanana said:
There's always an accusatory tone to PH articles on French / Italian cars that dares to suggest anyone whose tastes fall outside a narrowly drawn set of parallel lines needs their head examined. Can we not accept that a car that's made it this far isn't going to self destruct due to poor build quality? Can we celebrate the fact that someone, somewhere chose a different path and maybe, just maybe, there's someone around in 2024 that thinks the same?

I don't have garage space right now so I can't be in the market, but I'd pay the asking for this over an inferior product. Have you seen what contemporary Golf and 205 GTIs are making?
Well said.

Hub

6,572 posts

205 months

Tuesday 12th November
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I might be wrong, but weren't these just known as the BX 16valve? Differentiated from the 'GTI' by the bodykit, alloys and 16v engine rather than the more plain looking 8v GTI?

Cool cars though. Just don't crash one, I've seen the aftermath and it wasn't pretty

VR6 Eug

695 posts

206 months

Tuesday 12th November
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They weren't lookers in their day but they drove really well, and the 8v 1.9gti was quick car for the time.

Lincsls1

3,477 posts

147 months

Tuesday 12th November
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0-60 in 7.9! Pretty swift in 1992. Not exactly slow even today.
The more I look at the car, the more it appeals smile

BertBert

19,692 posts

218 months

Tuesday 12th November
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I had one from new for 3 years (company car back in the day). Utterly fabulous to drive but (and I kept count) it was back in the dealer on average once a month in those three years. Horrendously unreliable but I loved it.

scenario8

6,821 posts

186 months

Tuesday 12th November
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I clicked hoping for red. Black at a push. It’s white. I am sad.

BertBert

19,692 posts

218 months

Tuesday 12th November
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Mine was silver before all cars became silver and it looked ok actually.

It had a lovely party trick. If you chucked it into a bend at reasonably low speed, turned in and got on the gas the inside wheel would be lifting and spin up with a great sound and lots of tyre smoke. For reasons that made sense to me in my 20's when I had one, I thought this was a good idea. So I did it every day in the same place in a built up area on my way to work. One day I looked up to see plod bravely standing in the road to stop me, I got a right old bking plus 3 points for being over the 30mph limit. What was I thinking?

Needed an LSD really.

nismo48

4,429 posts

214 months

Tuesday 12th November
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French chic and Italian styling in a great package
In these crazy days £12k seems reasonable.

cerb4.5lee

33,585 posts

187 months

Tuesday 12th November
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I always enjoyed reading about these at the time. They aren’t exactly sexy, but they are quite cool though I reckon.

Oceanrower

1,046 posts

119 months

Tuesday 12th November
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BertBert said:
Needed an LSD really.
French cars of that era were already mad enough. Not sure adding a psychedelic drug would help much…

Terminator X

16,317 posts

211 months

Tuesday 12th November
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I'm old enough to remember when the 16v cars started arriving. Awesome times. My favourite was the R19 16v though.

TX.

Silvanus

6,036 posts

30 months

Tuesday 12th November
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Absolutely love this