RE: Bargain rear-drive saloons | Six of the Best

RE: Bargain rear-drive saloons | Six of the Best

Saturday 2nd November

Bargain rear-drive saloons | Six of the Best

Fast four-door cars are a vanishing breed - here's how you can return to the good old days for less...


Jaguar XFR, 2009, 61k, £14,995

As we mourned this week the demise of Jaguar as we know it in the UK, with production ending on what is expected to be its final combustion-engined vehicle, it wasn’t hard to reminisce about some of the great cars made in recent years. Because while the general public can daydream about E-Types forevermore, we know better than that; the real gems of the past few decades have been supercharged super-saloons, with six or eight cylinders up front, a divine rear-drive chassis, and unrepeatable, caddish charm to the way they went about their business. S-Type Rs, XJRs and XFRs have all earned their places as some of the best fast four doors around, and are fondly remembered. It’s one of the latter we have here; not a wild, 550hp S, but a very early 2009 car with just 60k miles. It’s been serviced 13 times and has an advisory-free MOT until September. Accept no substitute. 

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Mercedes S63 AMG, 2010, 118k, £14,995

Perhaps no maker has excelled in the field of huge saloons with huge engines quite like AMG. This was a company that downsized from a 6.2-litre V8 to a 5.5-litre twin-turbo one, remember, and only then squeezed down to 4.0-litres. AMG’s first four-wheel-drive saloon only came when power was up beyond 600hp, and that still came with a rear-drive setting. The Affalterbach folk love making V8 ‘bahnstormers as much as we love driving, owning and talking about them, so it’s only right to include one here. It had to be the M156 6.2, really, for maximum kudos, and if biggest is going to be best, then why not in an S-Class? An oft-forgotten ‘63 saloon given the focus on the C and E, this long wheelbase limo is 525hp strong. And it’ll rev beyond 7. This one is said to boast plenty of options, but be sure to check on service history also - the one thing more expensive than running a V8 AMG is running a neglected V8 AMG. 

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BMW M3, E36, 160k, PH Auction

The car that established the template for the modern M3, the E36 has been enjoying some appreciation over the past few years. Gone are the cheap and cheerful examples that could be taken on as affordable (to buy) rolling restos - these are bonafide modern classics now, 30-odd years from launch. The E36 ditched the homologation hero status of the E30 for a larger, more luxurious, more powerful take on the M3, and it paid off: subsequent generations would follow its formula for making an M3 instead of the E30’s road racer vibe. Amazingly, this E36 M3 - a very rare pre-Evo saloon - has been with its current husband and wife owners since 1998. They bought it from the original buyer (who racked up an impressive 90k in three years) more than a quarter of a century ago; it’s only now being sold because of ULEZ. Their loss could be your gain, however - be sure to have the PH Auctions landing page open next Sunday…

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Toyota Aristo Vertex Edition, 2000, 56k, £11,995

A curveball, and one that’s more interesting than you might think. Because to most, this is a turn-of-the-century Lexus GS - except it isn’t: it’s an imported Toyota Aristo. To most intents and purposes the same thing, apart from under the bonnet. Where UK cars were offered with either a naturally aspirated 3.0-litre straight six or 4.3-litre V8 in the 430, the Aristo was powered by a twin-turbo version of that straight six. Which had the ‘2JZ’ engine code. With the forced induction, it became a 2JZ-GTE. Yep, this is a Supra-engined saloon. So while it remains officially 280hp-ish, there’s a heap of potential in this old barge for those willing to exploit it. There’s fewer than 100,000km on the clock, no rust because of its life in Japan, and a smart-looking interior. An Aristo could make for the ultimate silly sleeper, or probably very comfy Lexus-like transport for aeons yet. And it’ll only take £12k to find out.

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Kia Stinger GT S, 2018, 71k, £19,058

Surely the first time a Kia has been the most expensive option of a six-car group, but the Stinger well deserves its place. With an interior that’s from another planet compared to anything else here and the reassurance that comes from modern build quality and lots of airbags, this one is not long out of its warranty thanks to Kia’s very generous coverage. But it was the old-school feel of the V6-powered Stinger's driving experience that charmed everyone's pants off, offering up plenty of power to an LSD-equipped rear end and some welcome heft to the controls. It was a brawny, burly, traditional take on the sports saloon, very out of character for Kia really - and very likeable as a result. This one is down at £19k thanks to higher-than-average mileage, but aside from a shiny wheel and some budget tyres it’d be hard to tell. Not one of the usual suspects, and all the better for it. 

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Maserati Quattroporte 4.7 S, 2009, 63k, £14,500

If a turbocharged, 2018 Kia is just too sensible, how about this to finish off? Red-blooded sports saloons don’t come any more emotional, any more charismatic, any more alluring than the fifth-generation Maserati Quattroporte. The model before this one was too weird to appeal to anyone but the dedicated Maserati fans; the one after was too plain. But this QP hit the spot like few modern Maseratis have: stunning to look at, great to drive, sublime to listen to and supremely cool to boot. The early 4.2s with the automated manual showed the potential that was properly exploited with the larger 4.7-litre V8 and torque converter auto. This one is said to have just one previous owner, not many miles, and lots of main dealer history - fortune favours the brave…

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Discussion

Billy_Whizzzz

Original Poster:

2,135 posts

150 months

Saturday 2nd November
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I’d have any generation of M5 over any of those.

MikeM6

5,223 posts

109 months

Saturday 2nd November
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It is surprising how cheap the XFR is, for what is a brilliant road car. It's not as track focussed as an M5 sure, but on the road that supercharged V8 feels mighty.

hammo19

5,732 posts

203 months

Saturday 2nd November
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I’ll take a VXR8 thanks.

Ray_Aber

556 posts

283 months

Saturday 2nd November
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I’d have any of these over any generation of M5.

Okay, I lied. Not the Toyota. But the Jag or Maserati? Ding dong!

Vsix and Vtec

739 posts

25 months

Saturday 2nd November
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I'd take that XFR and not even feel guilty about how much of a steal that was. It's even in Kanite Blue, which is jawdropping to behold in person. Add to that, the opportunity to own one of the best mainstream petrol engines of the century, with an interior that is comfortable and spacious and this quickly adds up to being the best car you'll probably own. How these never sold in significantly higher numbers I'll never know. I guess everyone in the saloon segment was more focused on MPG and wanting diesel at the time?

biggbn

24,949 posts

227 months

Saturday 2nd November
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Stinger for me.

GreatScott2016

1,470 posts

95 months

Saturday 2nd November
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Nope, nothing there excites me. I'm sure some are decent drives, but I wouldn't want to own any of them if I'm brutally honest frown

wistec1

450 posts

48 months

Saturday 2nd November
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Kia for me or the Maserati. I'm a big beemer fan but that M3 is looking a bit old along side most of this company and I guess it is on reflection. If I put my my rose tinted glasses on it becomes a classic but I still couldn't pull the trigger on it. My Dad had a Merc S class diesel and I recall an immobilizer keyless electrical fault costing near 4K to diagnose and repair so that AMG is beyond my bravery threshold.

Niffty951

2,347 posts

235 months

Saturday 2nd November
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Some good surprising cars there. A Masseratti that handles better than it should and a Jag that drinks less than it should.

Love the XFR, my god do they still feel potent today. Proper fast cars and a beautiful place to sit.

I feel bad for passing over the E36 I owned and loved. Great engine, but they just don't feel special like some others in this list. It's just a good car

Edited by Niffty951 on Saturday 2nd November 07:52


Edited by Niffty951 on Saturday 2nd November 08:15

Its Just Adz

15,012 posts

216 months

Saturday 2nd November
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I really like that E36. Just looks so right.
My mother had a non Evo saloon in black and I have such fond memories of that car.

ducnick

1,927 posts

250 months

Saturday 2nd November
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Love the qp5 because they really do look special in the metal. But…. The 4.7 engine isn’t as good as the supercharged. Jag 5 litre for a big heavy car like this, and the subframe appears to be a consumable part which would worry me.
Can’t help thinking the Kia is the sensible option but not special enough. The Maserati and Merc are going to be money pits, the jag is the balanced buy in this line up.

Forester1965

2,801 posts

10 months

Saturday 2nd November
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I'll take the S Class.

Firebobby

687 posts

46 months

Saturday 2nd November
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Billy_Whizzzz said:
I’d have any generation of M5 over any of those.
I'd have my 140 over any of them!!

fflump

1,759 posts

45 months

Saturday 2nd November
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The XFR for the all round package but the QP5 for charisma. Both sold in small numbers due to our obsession with German metal also the world was recovering from financial meltdown at the time. The QP seems to be an auto which means a ZF box rather than the awful duo- select automated manual. Also it’s had the subframe attended to which is a big plus.

Edited by fflump on Saturday 2nd November 09:02

blueg33

38,531 posts

231 months

Saturday 2nd November
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No Giulia Quadrifoglio?

Jimjimhim

1,530 posts

7 months

Saturday 2nd November
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Kia for me, but then badges don't concern me, I just look at the car itself.

trevalvole

1,270 posts

40 months

Saturday 2nd November
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biggbn said:
Stinger for me.
Please could you explain why?

Resolutionary

1,312 posts

178 months

Saturday 2nd November
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blueg33 said:
No Giulia Quadrifoglio?
Starting at £30k odd? Definitions of 'bargain' may differ..

blueg33

38,531 posts

231 months

Saturday 2nd November
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Resolutionary said:
blueg33 said:
No Giulia Quadrifoglio?
Starting at £30k odd? Definitions of 'bargain' may differ..
I’m sure a pher bought one for around 20k. High ish mileage of course. There’s a thread somewhere.

AC43

11,980 posts

215 months

Saturday 2nd November
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The S Class would be very special (the coupe even more so) but I'd bottle it in the end and get the XFR. Fantastic all rounder.