RE: Time-capsule Peugeot 205 GT for sale

RE: Time-capsule Peugeot 205 GT for sale

Tuesday 22nd October

Time-capsule Peugeot 205 GT for sale

The 208 Racing had us reminiscing - and then chewing over this blast from the distant past...


Yesterday we brought you news of the Peugeot 208 Racing, a stripped-out version of the road car intended mostly for rallying. We lamented the thought that such a car could exist conceptually, but not be replicated in a showroom model, ideally with a Rallye badge attached to it. This led to an inevitable discussion about previous small Peugeots that burned themselves into the national consciousness with their brilliance. There are several to choose from, depending how old you are. But the 205, thanks to its Genesis-like reputation, arguably stands above them all. 

Clearly there are more famous (and much better) editions than the relatively humble five-door GT. Nevertheless, if you’re of a certain age, this is one of those cars (alongside the Nova SR and various iterations of Fiesta) that were considered halfway affordable - and therefore extremely desirable - to a generation of trolley-gatherers in the late ‘90s and early ‘00s. There was, of course, a good reason for this: the 205’s fame for flyweight dynamic excellence might have been best represented by the GTI and Rallye, but the effect filtered down to nearly all of Peugeot’s cooking models. Even the diesels. 

There were several good reasons for this. But mostly it was to do with a) the innate quality of the underlying chassis and b) the of-its-time absence of anything resembling extraneous weight. Thus the 205, even when combined with very modest power, handled like a moveable feast of feedback and loose-limbed balance. The engine options, reflecting a French penchant for building four-cylinder petrol units in a bewildering array of sizes and outputs, were plentiful. The older variants of the GT got the venerable X unit that had been around since the early ‘70s, although by the late ‘80s these were being replaced by the shiny new PSA TU engine. 

Precisely which generation of spirited 1.4-litre motor this example of the GT is actually sporting we’ll leave for older, wiser heads to determine in the comments - regardless, it was shared with the equivalent three-door XS and (in either format) equipped the GT with around 80hp. To our younger audience, that might sound like a veritable drop in the contemporary output bucket - and, in fairness, it probably put the five-door the wrong side of a 10-second-to-62mph sprint - but with just 800 or so kilos to carry (and Peugeot’s NVH solutions about as sophisticated as an air raid warden’s hat) it seemed plenty quick enough. 

Especially as the GT occupied the exalted position of ‘warm’ in the trim running order. Granted, the appearance of those letters don’t exactly scream implied status - this was before manufacturers discovered that big sills and silly arches were worth their weight in add-on gold - but, as everyone knows, all you needed in the ‘90s were the right combination of letters, and you were instantly 17 rungs higher on the social scale. And while it assuredly existed in the long shadow of its betters, the GT achieved its own kind of connoisseur status among narrow-eyed bargain hunters. 

Consequently, there will be the usual forehead-slapping shock at the scale of the asking price. But really we should be impervious it by now - no car from the good old days that qualifies for even a very mild rose tint is ever going to be cheap again, especially when they are presented in such fabulous condition. This one has covered just 54k in 35 years and has apparently be treated to a complete restoration underneath. It also looks like it’s barely been sat in. What a lovely way to revisit a time when small cars seemed fun almost by default. Even if the ticket back there will cost you 10 grand. 


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Noe

Original Poster:

82 posts

290 months

Tuesday 22nd October
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What a donkey. Mario brothers. Donkey Kong on those handhelds. 205 what a box of a turd. Though this pops up and I’m just taking plunge on a 1996 cti red convertible here in Japan. How will it compare to my other cars? Last i remember of these is a tamiya gti rally model

Pereldh

591 posts

119 months

Tuesday 22nd October
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My 1st car! 205GT.
Mind you, these were around long before the GTI was presented, so it was the top dog of the 205 range in the beginning.

Mine was an earlier car (1.4 72hp) but the thing about these cars was The Gearing. Low gearing & weight meant in 1992 there was NOTHING touching me in 1st & 2nd gear, huge fun!


Jon_S_Rally

3,685 posts

95 months

Tuesday 22nd October
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Looks in good condition, but certainly not something I could spend 10k on. Would have to have less doors for one thing. I think I'd rather just buy a base model and upgrade it myself with a fruitier engine etc, especially when there are still plenty of modified parts out there because of the rally scene.

I guess it's not that much money in the grand scheme of things, so might provide a nostalgia hit for someone who had one in the past.

daytona111r

840 posts

211 months

Tuesday 22nd October
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Lovely. Same engine as the AX GT.

Turbobanana

6,749 posts

208 months

Tuesday 22nd October
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I haven't driven a 205 for about 20 years, but as a Peugeot sales exec in the 1990s I was in about 10 a week.

As we were in a rural location, most we sold were diesels and they were fantastic cars. The smaller petrol ones (1.0, 1.1) felt good too, but never felt as solid as the diesels.

The bigger petrols (1.4 XR, GR and the 1.6 autos) were smooth and comfortable. The sportier versions (XS, XT and GT, like this one) liked to rev and were fun, but felt very flimsy compared to...

...the real stars of the show: the GTIs. These felt much more planted on the road and "substantial", which is not a word most PH-ers will attribute to a 205 and must be, I reckon, down to the stiffer suspension the GTIs had.

I'd like to get behind the wheel of a 205 again to see if my perception has changed.

Is this worth the £asking? Possibly, given what GTIs in decent condition fetch these days. Add in rarity and condition: "find another" territory. But you have to be of a mindset to pay £10K for a 205 that isn't a GTI, I guess.

SydneyBridge

9,436 posts

165 months

Tuesday 22nd October
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I wanted an XS but could afford a 1.1 junior, many years ago

This is too much money when everyone wants a 3 door

PistonBroker

2,527 posts

233 months

Tuesday 22nd October
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daytona111r said:
Lovely. Same engine as the AX GT.
Yes.

Though with ever so slightly more poke iirc. 22yo me was keen to point out my 205 Roland Garros had 89bhp and the AX a mere . . . 85!

I get the appeal of this as I'd imagine it's just as much fun as an XS or Roland Garros. But I think you're buying for nostalgia, so I imagine it will be someone who specifically had the GT who will want this.

Mike1990

1,030 posts

138 months

Tuesday 22nd October
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Lovely little thing...

In many ways the last gen and current 208 GT-Line's carry on the warm-hatch brief nicely. 5dr's, smattering of GTi-esque interior, good chassis and punchy little engine.

Master Of Puppets

3,488 posts

69 months

Tuesday 22nd October
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Pereldh said:
the thing about these cars was The Gearing. Low gearing & weight meant in 1992 there was NOTHING touching me in 1st & 2nd gear,
Yes there wasbiggrin, my girlfriends brother had one and my 1990 CRX VT annihilated it from the off on Crail drag strip.

J4CKO

42,880 posts

207 months

Tuesday 22nd October
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I mean, I quite like it but 10 grand for a 5 door version of the also ran, warm/tepid version ?

Condition wise, yep, just not a special enough model to get it to ten grand, though restoring one yourself, could easily pour more than that into it I guess.




blue_haddock

3,871 posts

74 months

Tuesday 22nd October
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Yes its very clean but its a low spec, low performance 5 door.

I'd rather buy a GTi for less money

BFleming

3,765 posts

150 months

Tuesday 22nd October
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My second car, which replaced my 1980 Golf GLS. It felt like a go-kart by comparison, and saw me right through the length & breadth of Europe.
Mine was a tired 10 year old example by the time it came to me; I remember some wear on the choke mechanism, so cold starting was a bonnet-up & set the choke where it needed to be. I also remember horrendous steering rack wear, so on went a secondhand rack from (what turned out to be) a later model 205, so I had to replace the steering column too. I replaced the front electric windows with manual winders as they had packed up. Leaving it reverse meant the reversing light stayed on until the battery went flat - which it did once & once only!
The gearshift was awful towards the end of my tenure, and my head was swayed by a Phase 2 309 GTI at the local Peugeot dealer (Essen Süd), so that ended my 205 tenure. I would comfortably say that car never went on the road again after that.
They're a hoot to drive, and the cabin of this one is a much nicer place to be than my early car.
Mine... almost 30 years ago!


itcaptainslow

3,861 posts

143 months

Tuesday 22nd October
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That looks like a TU engine to me. What a lovely little thing - you'd stand out miles at a classic meet or show compared to owning a GTI.

BFleming

3,765 posts

150 months

Tuesday 22nd October
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itcaptainslow said:
That looks like a TU engine to me. What a lovely little thing - you'd stand out miles at a classic meet or show compared to owning a GTI.
It does indeed - probably the TU3 F2/K. I had the older XY in mine. It was fine (at the time)!

trickywoo

12,326 posts

237 months

Tuesday 22nd October
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I had a XT and a GTI. Really good and much better than equivalent Fiesta. Why anyone bought a XR2 instead is a mystery.

A 5 door isn’t worth £10k though.

ThingsBehindTheSun

1,278 posts

38 months

Tuesday 22nd October
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My first decent car was a G Reg 205 XS in Red in 1994 (5 years old at the time). I absolutely loved that car, it was a one owner full service history car and felt a million times nicer than the Escort 1.1 Popular I was driving before.

Years later I got a 1.6 GTi. It caused me no end of issues and was clearly thrashed to death, the XS was a much nicer car to drive and own.

alpha channel

1,397 posts

169 months

Tuesday 22nd October
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I had an '86 GRD and to be honest I'd happily have another. One of best handling cars I've driven, I had utter confidence in it's handling in any condition and miss it. I would however want the 5 door version for no other reason than I can't actually fit in the 3 door... or at least not comfortably anyway.

j555

146 posts

235 months

Tuesday 22nd October
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This car looks like the 5 door twin of my XS!


Mark-C

5,840 posts

212 months

Tuesday 22nd October
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j555 said:
This car looks like the 5 door twin of my XS!

That's lovely - like the three door shape so much more than the five door.

Got to be fun on those skinny tyres biggrin

Hippea

2,159 posts

76 months

Tuesday 22nd October
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Lovely thing, these are great fun

A favourite of Chris Harris I believe