RE: Alpenglow Hy6 gets 9,000rpm hydrogen V6

RE: Alpenglow Hy6 gets 9,000rpm hydrogen V6

Monday 14th October

Alpenglow Hy6 gets 9,000rpm hydrogen V6

Alpine always promised more was coming from the Alpenglow concept - now it has 750hp


While hydrogen currently has its well-known drawbacks as an automotive fuel (availability and storage, mainly), it isn’t hard to be seduced by the idea of lower carbon combustion engines. We’ve already seen an Alpine Alpenglow concept tease just the idea with a 340hp four-cylinder engine at Le Mans this year. Now the six-cylinder engine promised is a reality, creating the Alpenglow Hy6.

It doesn’t just represent a modest power gain, either, the 3.5-litre twin turbo V6 screaming out 750hp at 7,600rpm - before crashing into a 9,000rpm cutout. The unit has been specifically designed for revs, too, with a much smaller stroke (82.3mm) than bore (95mm) so those pistons can fire away with real urgency. Peak torque of 568lb ft arrives at 5,000rpm, further reflecting its obvious raciness. When did you last hear of peak torque at 5,000rpm, even in a concept? It’s great news. A six-speed Xtrac sequential demonstrates the motorsport intent (hydrogen can be used to fuel Le Mans racers at 2028) while an Inconel exhaust ought to bring a soundtrack befitting of the specs. This isn’t just racing car flight of fancy, either: Alpine says the Hy6 tech ‘could be transposed to series production.’

The same points are made about hydrogen as a fuel for the six-cylinder Alpenglow as was the four-pot, so we won’t dwell on them too long. There are three fuel cells that store dihydrogen at 700bar to the side and behind the passenger compartment, which is dropped to 200bar by a pressure regulator for ignition. ‘Numerous’ safety measures have been implemented to ensure compliance with Regulation 134, a European standard for hydrogen vehicles.

 

Marking Hy6 out from 4 are additional cooling vents, a more prominent rear spoiler, a larger side fin and a generally more extreme vibe. And it was hardly a wallflower before. The interior now gets ‘a new fabric that reacts to light in metallic and blue colours’ as well as magenta for the starter button and an interior brace. Alpine has even gone to the extent of fitting camera brackets to the concept, the intention being for the sight of the car and sound of the V6 to be filmed on circuit. Nobody could accuse the Alpenglow project of being done by halves. 

Alpine Motorsports VP Bruno Famin said: “With the development of this brand new Hy6 V6 engine, we are demonstrating our commitment to hydrogen research, which could herald motorsport applications with high-performance levels. A solution for continuing to cultivate the passion for motor racing using a very noble V6 with remarkable specific power and a sound to thrill drivers and spectators with its maximum revs at 9,000 rpm. The Alpenglow Hy6 concept is the perfect example of what is possible to achieve the essential step of reducing carbon emissions in motorsport.” 

Hard not to admire that kind of ambition, even if the days of hydrogen-fuelled, 205mph, 9,000rpm V6s - for track or otherwise - seem a little way off still. But given the choice of hydrogen being used in a fuel cell for an EV, or as a lower carbon fuel for a combustion engine, there’s not really a decision to be made when it comes to cars that look like the Alpenglow. Here’s hoping this shape and this engine can get a proper run out in due course.


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gruppeb86

Original Poster:

487 posts

20 months

Monday 14th October
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Not enough. Needs 1,500bhp., minimum.

loudlashadjuster

5,508 posts

191 months

Monday 14th October
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Oh goody. Another hydrogen pipedream.

redroadster

1,825 posts

239 months

Monday 14th October
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Looks wild put the renault megahertz engine in and charge hundreds of thousands maybe even a million 😳 🤣

Nomme de Plum

6,183 posts

23 months

Monday 14th October
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Deep joy, three 700bar fuel tanks.


otolith

59,152 posts

211 months

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Nomme de Plum said:
Deep joy, three 700bar fuel tanks.
Holding 6.3 kg of hydrogen. Same energy content as 26.5 litres of petrol. Wonder how far it can go on that?

charltjr

285 posts

16 months

Monday 14th October
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Does anyone at PH towers understand anything about hydrogen as a fuel?

Given the generally cynical tone of the content around anything battery powered, it’s odd to see hydrogen’s massive issues as a fuel get hand-waved away.

Motorsport use sounds interesting but I can’t imagine it will be burnt in an ICE at Le Mans, the range would be shockingly poor. A fuel cell, maybe, but then how do you generate sufficient power?

VSKeith

1,034 posts

54 months

Monday 14th October
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charltjr said:
Does anyone at PH towers understand anything about hydrogen as a fuel?

Given the generally cynical tone of the content around anything battery powered, it’s odd to see hydrogen’s massive issues as a fuel get hand-waved away.

Motorsport use sounds interesting but I can’t imagine it will be burnt in an ICE at Le Mans, the range would be shockingly poor. A fuel cell, maybe, but then how do you generate sufficient power?
This ^^^

loudlashadjuster

5,508 posts

191 months

Monday 14th October
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charltjr said:
Does anyone at PH towers understand anything about hydrogen as a fuel?
They could do worse than read some of the many threads about H2 on here as, among the well-meaning questioning and occasional moonhowling, there is actually a lot of good, technical discussion on the merits (or otherwise) of using hydrogen to propel cars.

However, PH (the corporate entity which publishes links to classified adverts disguised as articles on pistonheads.com) seems to be wilfully unaware of PH (the community who post to pistonheads.com/gassing)

pSyCoSiS

3,736 posts

212 months

Monday 14th October
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Regardless of the inner-workings - that looks sensational.

epom

12,445 posts

168 months

Monday 14th October
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otolith said:
Nomme de Plum said:
Deep joy, three 700bar fuel tanks.
Holding 6.3 kg of hydrogen. Same energy content as 26.5 litres of petrol. Wonder how far it can go on that?
I'd be surprised if it can even make it off the drawing board.

nismo48

4,453 posts

214 months

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pSyCoSiS said:
Regardless of the inner-workings - that looks sensational.
+1

BVB

1,127 posts

160 months

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Love it. Surely there is a future for the hydrogen combustion route in motoring. That's what I wish for anyway.

kambites

68,450 posts

228 months

Monday 14th October
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BVB said:
Love it. Surely there is a future for the hydrogen combustion route in motoring. That's what I wish for anyway.
There potentially is... for those happy to pay the equivalent fuel price of petrol at something like £10 per litre. And to replace their hydrogen tanks every now and then, of course.

ETA: "E-fuel" powered ICE is easier, lighter, don't have the tank longevity problem, and the fuel is probably no more expensive to produce, though, so I'm not sure why you'd really want hydrogen ICE.

Edited by kambites on Monday 14th October 18:37

Terminator X

16,365 posts

211 months

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Someone needs tell these guys to stop, the EV crowd have said this is impossible so let that be the end of it.

TX.

Howrare

311 posts

213 months

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Paint matt black for full Le Batman vibe

LasseV

1,764 posts

140 months

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kambites said:
BVB said:
Love it. Surely there is a future for the hydrogen combustion route in motoring. That's what I wish for anyway.
There potentially is... for those happy to pay the equivalent fuel price of petrol at something like £10 per litre. And to replace their hydrogen tanks every now and then, of course.

ETA: "E-fuel" powered ICE is easier, lighter, don't have the tank longevity problem, and the fuel is probably no more expensive to produce, though, so I'm not sure why you'd really want hydrogen ICE.

Edited by kambites on Monday 14th October 18:37
Tell me more about longevity problems. I do invest in h2 tank manf and they say tanks actually last longer than vehicle itself, more than 30 years. Sertification is shorter atm, but that will change because now we know that tanks lasts way longer than sertification. I call your bullst.

Anyway, this is future lf the motorsport and supercars. When Alpenglow did made a parade lap in Le Mans this year, crowd did cheer it out loud. It was 2.0 four pot but it did sound awesome.

Little by little h2 mobility will happen.

D4rez

1,619 posts

63 months

Monday 14th October
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Terminator X said:
Someone needs tell these guys to stop, the EV crowd have said this is impossible so let that be the end of it.

TX.
This looks ready for a set of number plates doesn’t it Tx?

smilo996

3,065 posts

177 months

Tuesday 15th October
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A concept, so the hydrogen motor won't ever see the light of day. I thought there were three problems with hydrogen, economic production, availability and on board storage volume. Like Porsche's six stroke, hydrogen seems like trying to breath life into ICE before its inevitable end.

myhandle

1,238 posts

181 months

Thursday 17th October
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D4rez said:
This looks ready for a set of number plates doesn’t it Tx?
Lanzante (or others) could do it.