RE: Diesel car sales outnumber private EV buyers

RE: Diesel car sales outnumber private EV buyers

Friday 4th October

Diesel car sales outnumber private EV buyers

Overall, electric cars sold in record numbers last month. But all the growth is limited to the fleet market...


September is typically a very good month for new car sales, as buyers clamour to get something shiny outside the front door with the reg plate change. So it proved for the first month of 74-plated vehicles in the UK, with 275,239 registrations; that’s the best September since 2020, if some way off the 343,255 of September 2019. We didn’t know how good we had it…

As always, buried among the headline numbers are some interesting trends identified by the SMMT. The first of those, of course, is in the electric car market. September 2024 was actually a record month in the UK for BEVs, with 56,387 new registrations representing a leap of 24.4 per cent; the Year-To-Date figure of 269,931 is up on 2023’s figure of 238,544. Which looks good, but the trend is being driven overwhelmingly by fleet purchases, which accounted for 75.9 per cent of those sales. Furthermore, while private EV purchases were up, it was only by 3.6 per cent after what the SMMT calls ‘unprecedented manufacturer discounting’. Because the private new EV market currently remains so small, that meant only an additional 410 registrations. By contrast, while diesel sales were down overall (17,556 compared to 18,892 last year, down 7.1 per cent), private demand actually increased 17.1 per cent - or another 1,367 units. 

The situation, with YTD private EV demand still down, has spurred the SMMT into action. Reckoning that manufacturers will spend at least £2bn on discounting EVs in 2024 (which plainly isn’t sustainable), it has written to the Chancellor - along with 12 manufacturers - recommending measures to up the pace of the EV transition. They include a temporary halving of VAT, reducing the cost of public charging and extending incentives.

In a press release, it suggests that previous ‘assumptions of a market delivering steady BEV growth, cheaper and plentiful raw materials, affordable energy and low interest rates have not come to fruition, with the upfront cost of BEV models remaining stubbornly high.’ (JATO data suggests £49,600 is the average new EV cost). With a changing car market and continued lack of confidence in public charging, despite recent improvements, it says drastic change is required. It feels notable that market share is still not at the 22 per cent ZEV mandate level required by each manufacturer for 2024 (it was 20.5 per cent for September) and which is only going to increase in the coming years.

Chief Executive Mike Hawes added: “September’s record EV performance is good news, but look under the bonnet and there are serious concerns as the market is not growing quickly enough to meet mandated targets. Despite manufacturers spending billions on both product and market support – support that the industry cannot sustain indefinitely – market weakness is putting environmental ambitions at risk and jeopardising future investment. While we appreciate the pressures on the public purse, the Chancellor must use the forthcoming Budget to introduce bold measures on consumer support and infrastructure to get the transition back on track, and with it the economic growth and environmental benefits we all crave.”

A pretty stark warning from the Society of Motor Manufacturers and Traders, then, that something has to change soon if a widespread transition to electric vehicles is to happen. Certainly the picture painted is pretty bleak, though the one upside of the current uncertainty is those discounts mentioned earlier. There’s almost £4k off this Corsa Electric, the best part of £15,000 off this 1,000-mile Ioniq 6, and similar again off this Audi Q8 e tron


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fantheman80

Original Poster:

1,650 posts

56 months

Friday 4th October
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Popcorn ready - we've not had an EV vs ICE debate for at least 4 minutes on here but this could be a good one

charltjr

283 posts

16 months

Friday 4th October
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The BEV mandate is down to the manufacturers to manage.

They can either reduce the price of EVs, or increase the price of ICEs. That’s the market at work.

Of course the manufacturer trade bodies want further government subsidy. Duh.

Most new cars are sold to fleets, this isn’t new.

A500leroy

5,591 posts

125 months

Friday 4th October
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charltjr said:
The BEV mandate is down to the manufacturers to manage.

They can either reduce the price of EVs, or increase the price of ICEs. That’s the market at work.

Of course the manufacturer trade bodies want further government subsidy. Duh.

Most new cars are sold to fleets, this isn’t new.
But if they up the price of ICE they run the risk of selling nothing.

bigyoungdave

145 posts

34 months

Friday 4th October
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Heard this on Radio 4 today. These stories will only put people off EVs even more. Vicious cycle.

I don't have a salary sacrifice scheme so new EVs are of no interest to me whatsoever from a financial perspective (or from an enjoyment perspective, but that's another matter)

Terminator X

16,322 posts

211 months

Friday 4th October
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fantheman80 said:
Popcorn ready - we've not had an EV vs ICE debate for at least 4 minutes on here but this could be a good one
Only this last week the EV Crowd have been bragging about how well EV sales are going; couldn't be better will crush all targets ...

TX.

Tindersticks

1,282 posts

7 months

Friday 4th October
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I guess this is where being able to read helps"

"September 2024 was actually a record month in the UK for BEVs, with 56,387 new registrations representing a leap of 24.4 per cent; the Year-To-Date figure of 269,931 is up on 2023’s figure of 238,544"

otolith

59,051 posts

211 months

Friday 4th October
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A500leroy said:
charltjr said:
They can either reduce the price of EVs, or increase the price of ICEs. That’s the market at work.
But if they up the price of ICE they run the risk of selling nothing.
If they aren't having problems selling too many ICEs for the number of EVs they can sell, they can afford to up the ICE prices and sell fewer.

Andy86GT

448 posts

72 months

Friday 4th October
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How do companies like Suzuki get on with the EV mandate?
AFAIK the don't have any BEVs in their range?

Clivey

5,262 posts

211 months

Friday 4th October
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Tindersticks said:
I guess this is where being able to read helps"

"September 2024 was actually a record month in the UK for BEVs, with 56,387 new registrations representing a leap of 24.4 per cent; the Year-To-Date figure of 269,931 is up on 2023’s figure of 238,544"
I guess that's true. - The headline is "Diesel car sales outnumber private EV buyers". wink

cerb4.5lee

33,599 posts

187 months

Friday 4th October
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I heard this on the news this morning, and I genuinely didn't believe it. Mainly because if you listen to most folk on here, they describe that EVs are absolutely taking off sales wise, and that diesel is completely dead in comparison.

More fool me for listening to the donkeys on here I reckon. I've said it many times before, but if EVs cost exactly the same to run overall as petrol and diesel, EVs would be completely dead in the water and literally nobody would buy them. Salary sacrifice/discounts/tax benefits are basically the only thing propping them up/keeping them from not selling.


Tindersticks

1,282 posts

7 months

Friday 4th October
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Clivey said:
I guess that's true. - The headline is "Diesel car sales outnumber private EV buyers". wink
Thanks for proving my point - the post I was replying to referred to EV sales overall.

Good effort though.

otolith

59,051 posts

211 months

Friday 4th October
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cerb4.5lee said:
I heard this on the news this morning, and I genuinely didn't believe it. Mainly because if you listen to most folk on here, they describe that EVs are absolutely taking off sales wise, and that diesel is completely dead in comparison.

More fool me for listening to the donkeys on here I reckon. I've said it many times before, but if EVs cost exactly the same to run overall as petrol and diesel, EVs would be completely dead in the water and literally nobody would buy them. Salary sacrifice/discounts/tax benefits are basically the only thing propping them up/keeping them from not selling.
Lies, damned lies, and statistics.

Overall picture is in here. Diesel is dying.

https://static1.squarespace.com/static/5e753d15b0e...


plfrench

2,911 posts

275 months

Friday 4th October
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So PH has sunken to Telegraph levels of clickbaitery rolleyes

Obviously the whole EV transition is a complete farce and this proves it beyond doubt. Very poor show PH stooping this far into the gutter of selective reporting for the purposes of clicks.

cerb4.5lee

33,599 posts

187 months

Friday 4th October
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otolith said:
cerb4.5lee said:
I heard this on the news this morning, and I genuinely didn't believe it. Mainly because if you listen to most folk on here, they describe that EVs are absolutely taking off sales wise, and that diesel is completely dead in comparison.

More fool me for listening to the donkeys on here I reckon. I've said it many times before, but if EVs cost exactly the same to run overall as petrol and diesel, EVs would be completely dead in the water and literally nobody would buy them. Salary sacrifice/discounts/tax benefits are basically the only thing propping them up/keeping them from not selling.
Lies, damned lies, and statistics.

Overall picture is in here. Diesel is dying.

https://static1.squarespace.com/static/5e753d15b0e...
Private buyers still think that EV's are utter dog turd though, we can at least agree on that.

Mouse Rat

1,885 posts

99 months

Friday 4th October
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The problem is for the industry there is no incentive for most private buyers to choose EV over Diesel/ Petrol.
EV's are perceived to be too expensive and more inconvenient.

otolith

59,051 posts

211 months

Friday 4th October
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cerb4.5lee said:
Private buyers still think that EV's are utter dog turd though, we can at least agree on that.
Private new buyers think they're too expensive. Used market is another matter.

Private new car market is on its arse, lowest half year figures in 25 years. They've all just got too expensive. Add in that EVs tend to be towards the higher end, and that a lot of people who would otherwise have bought an EV privately have chosen to go salary sacrifice instead (because why wouldn't you?).

magic Monkey Dust

321 posts

43 months

Friday 4th October
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Well they're all interesting debates on EV versus ICE, I wont be buying an electric car because to be honest I really don't give two flying monkeys about the environment. never lost a wink over rising sea temperatures I get up every morning happy I don't live in Gaza, Ukraine or Iran and drive to work in my petrol engine car with my only worry being should I go filter coffee or Americano.

plfrench

2,911 posts

275 months

Friday 4th October
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otolith said:
Private new buyers think they're too expensive. Used market is another matter.

Private new car market is on its arse, lowest half year figures in 25 years. They've all just got too expensive. Add in that EVs tend to be towards the higher end, and that a lot of people who would otherwise have bought an EV privately have chosen to go salary sacrifice instead (because why wouldn't you?).
Another point to bear in mind is that salary sacrifice vehicles are counted as fleet sales.

Therefore a number of those private sales are showing as fleet. My wife’s EV is salary sacrificed through me and is counted as a company car which I pay BIK on. She previously had always been a private buyer. This is alongside my EV which is a regular company car. Skews things somewhat…

SDK

1,197 posts

260 months

Friday 4th October
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There are still private buyers of new cars - who knew ?!

Here's the full data , rather than cherry picking niche statements



https://www.smmt.co.uk/2024/10/unprecedented-ev-di...

Edited by SDK on Friday 4th October 16:28

otolith

59,051 posts

211 months

Friday 4th October
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plfrench said:
Another point to bear in mind is that salary sacrifice vehicles are counted as fleet sales.
My point exactly. If you can get it through work a lot cheaper, why would you PCP it?