RE: Red Bull to launch Newey-designed hypercar

RE: Red Bull to launch Newey-designed hypercar

Tuesday 28th June 2022

Red Bull to launch Newey-designed hypercar

Sure, it's just a sketch now, but the RB17 will get an 1,100hp V8 and cost from £5m. Deliveries start in 2025


Adrian Newey’s role in the creation of the Aston Martin Valkyrie has been acknowledged from the start. But the corporate divorce between Aston and Red Bull Racing after the carmaker acquired its own Formula 1 team also ended future plans for collaboration between the two companies – with Aston taking development of what is set to become the Valhalla in-house.

This is Red Bull’s response, in the form of a fairly abstract sketch: confirmation that it will be producing and marketing Newey’s next car itself. Officially called the RB17 - explaining why Red Bull Racing’s F1 cars skipped past that number - it is set to go into production in 2025 with production limited to no more than 50 cars, and each carrying a £5m pre-tax price tag – so £6m with VAT. It won’t be street legal, although Newey has previously promised that the Valkyrie won’t be his final road car. But the RB17 does promise to be almost impossibly fast, being designed to offer the experience of a two-seat Formula 1 car.

If anybody else was promising this you’d likely be throwing bread rolls, yet Newey is both one of the most famous and talented designers in Formula 1, and also a man with an obsession with high performance machinery that goes well beyond Grand Prix racing. Remember the X2010 that Red Bull created for the Gran Turismo video game franchise? That was Newey’s take on what a no-rules racer would look like: the first sketch makes the RB17 seem only slightly less extreme.

Other details are scant at present. We’re told that power will come from twin-turbocharged V8 that will make at least 1,100hp, the RB17 will have a carbon fibre architecture, and the official release also promises “the most advanced ground effect package available in a series production vehicle,” which is a very bold claim in a world that also contains the GMA T.50, another product from the brain of a famous F1 designer - one which boasts fan-assisted boundary layer aero.

The RB17 will be developed and built by Red Bull Advanced Technology, on the same 290 acre ‘campus’ in Milton Keynes that the Formula 1 team is based on, with the two divisions working closely together. Key components will be built internally, including the car’s structure and – according to somebody familiar with the project – also its gearbox. Up to 100 new jobs will be created at RBAT to work on the car, which is a good indication that is isn’t seen as a one-off and that other projects are likely to follow.

We’re told that RB17 buyers will be closely involved with the car’s development, including simulator work and – once it is finished – track days with expert drivers. Which could come in very handy if it is indeed going to be quicker than the Valkyrie AMR Pro that I got to experience from the passenger seat last month.

But that really is the plan. “The Valkyrie AMR Pro is designed to have performance similar to an LMP1 car,” our insider told us, “but the RB17 is going to move that much closer to a Formula 1 car.”

“The RB17 distils everything we know about creating championship-winning Formula One cars into a package that delivers extreme levels of performance in a two-seat track car,” Newey is quoted as saying in the official release, “driven by our passion for performance at every level, the RB17 pushes design and technical boundaries far beyond what has been previously available to enthusiasts and collectors."  

There seems only one way to fairly decide on the relative performance of this and the Valkyrie AMR Pro, with attendant bragging rights: race!


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coded2112

Original Poster:

172 posts

228 months

Tuesday 28th June 2022
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Surely there is a limited market for this type of vehicle?

I love all things car and each to their own and that... but really another hypercar that sits in a garage and is then sold alongside Van Gogh's

Is that the automotive future...

anonymous-user

61 months

Tuesday 28th June 2022
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If this is the level of detail you are willing to share, you may as well share nothing at all, pathetic effort

ArnageWRC

2,180 posts

166 months

Tuesday 28th June 2022
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Hypercar, and LMP Performance? Well prove it....there are series to do that in (WEC/ IMSA).

ChrisCh86

962 posts

51 months

Tuesday 28th June 2022
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How many stupidly rich people are there?

Surely we don't need another one of these 'ultra' cars given the vast number of these that have recently arrived.

LankyMcTally

316 posts

104 months

Tuesday 28th June 2022
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Will it whine and wail as much as the Team Principal?

Howard1650

345 posts

198 months

Tuesday 28th June 2022
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Very nice …but please put your great minds to something useful to society, instead of building a trinket for the hyper rich.
We face huge issues and you’re spend time building toys for people who don’t care.


Edited by Howard1650 on Tuesday 28th June 10:51

oilit

2,696 posts

185 months

Tuesday 28th June 2022
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This feels like its irrelevant, especially after the McMurtry video - despite loving the sound of ice, i think the McMurtry put a nail in many of these types of projects - for me at least. If RB is bought by Porsche or Audi then how long before a road going version is available - that might be more interesting?

Porsche guy

3,465 posts

234 months

Tuesday 28th June 2022
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LankyMcTally said:
Will it whine and wail as much as the Team Principal?
laugh.. Very good and true!

BigChiefmuffinAgain

1,222 posts

105 months

Tuesday 28th June 2022
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You really wonder who is going to buy these things. Massively over engineered automobiles that will never be driven at anything like their potential, if at all.

And they can't even be bothered to make it road legal...

Not sure the Valkyerie has been a sales success - seems they haven't learnt their lesson.

thelostboy

4,681 posts

232 months

Tuesday 28th June 2022
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ChrisCh86 said:
How many stupidly rich people are there?

Surely we don't need another one of these 'ultra' cars given the vast number of these that have recently arrived.
Do you think these people restrict them to one car? Or one piece of art? One house?

Supposedly there are over 2,755 billionaires in the world, so there is the potential market.

Gecko1978

10,476 posts

164 months

Tuesday 28th June 2022
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I saw the price didn't reas the article then. A dream car has to be real in some way shape or form like win the lotto etc £5m hmm.. not sure also as its a red bull not like Mclaren who make the P1 Senna etc then the tech drips into all other models.

mylesmcd

2,552 posts

226 months

Tuesday 28th June 2022
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Imagine spending £6m on a car named after a Fizzy Drink.

Krikkit

27,003 posts

188 months

Tuesday 28th June 2022
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coded2112 said:
Surely there is a limited market for this type of vehicle?

I love all things car and each to their own and that... but really another hypercar that sits in a garage and is then sold alongside Van Gogh's

Is that the automotive future...
There are over 2500 billionaires in the world - some of them need something to spend some money on.

GingerMunky

1,188 posts

264 months

Tuesday 28th June 2022
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Where are we going with all this ultra/hyper cars that are teased 5 years before they appear? The current crop of leaving people (us the enthusiast) a bit cold I would suggest, as they are aimed at the billionaire and we can't relate or will never be able to attain let alone see after the actual release as they all go off to storage facilities to appreciate in price. Crazy.

anonymous-user

61 months

Tuesday 28th June 2022
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hurray, another impossible to drive rich mans trinket that they can't even drive on the road and won't actually be anywhere near as fast as an actual F1 car, oohh, shut up and take my (£6M !!!) money......

Also, ime, race teams building non-race cars really doesn't work, as its just a distraction from their actual jobs which is winining F1 races

This makes the T.50 look even more genius than it is !!

wpa1975

10,210 posts

121 months

Tuesday 28th June 2022
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Doubt it will happen or even be built, a lot can change in 5 years

SturdyHSV

10,228 posts

174 months

Tuesday 28th June 2022
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Max_Torque said:
hurray, another impossible to drive rich mans trinket that they can't even drive on the road and won't actually be anywhere near as fast as an actual F1 car, oohh, shut up and take my (£6M !!!) money......

Also, ime, race teams building non-race cars really doesn't work, as its just a distraction from their actual jobs which is winining F1 races

This makes the T.50 look even more genius than it is !!
For the sake of clarity, Red Bull Advanced Technologies isn't the race team, and they do an enormous array of projects (many that don't see the public eye) that have nothing to do with F1.

Can't argue that perhaps Mr Newey could be being distracted but one can only assume he's trusted to keep on top of it hehe

Building them may well be interesting though, it's not as if there's just loads of spare manufacturing capacity laying about so perhaps your point stands there.

Nickp82

3,410 posts

100 months

Tuesday 28th June 2022
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mylesmcd said:
Imagine spending £6m on a car named after a Fizzy Drink.
Yeah, especially when you can have one of these for a fraction of the price


Bobby Lee

224 posts

62 months

Tuesday 28th June 2022
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I wouldn’t buy a can of drink from these slimy crooks let alone a car.

WCZ

10,816 posts

201 months

Tuesday 28th June 2022
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If it’s not street legal then it’s a bit meh I think as there are already insane non street legal cars you can buy for £5m