RE: Porsche 911 CSR 'Snakebite' | Spotted
RE: Porsche 911 CSR 'Snakebite' | Spotted
Thursday 4th February 2021

Porsche 911 CSR 'Snakebite' | Spotted

Porsche never made a 997 R; if it had, the end result might have been a bit like this



As the future of motoring inexorably draws nearer, and with it a whole heap more angst for some, so the comfort drawn from the old only increases. It can be seen everywhere, from the values attached to certain classics to the popularity of historic motorsport - and the current fondness for nostalgia hasn't escaped manufacturers either. They'll happily sell you a new car that looks like an old one...

The Porsche 911 Heritage Design Edition is due in the UK very soon, the first in a new line that aims to evoke the past in a contemporary fashion. And which, you would imagine, might prove rather popular. Because however unsettling the future might sound, the present has brought us some useful technological gains; a retro look with heated seats and smartphone integration is quite a nice combination.

But it doesn't come cheap: £136,643 is the Targa's asking price. Plus another £10,000 for the watch. So, what if you want a retro vibe without quite such a prohibitive cost? Well, RPM Technik's 'CSR Retro' range of parts has been on offer since 2015 now, updating and improving the 996 and 997 eras with an obvious nod to the past. It requires a spend, of course, but is rather more attainable than something factory fresh. And you could always buy a completed car...

The CSR-28 is not your average modified 911. This particular 997 is described by RPM as "the ultimate CSR", a Porsche "built to the highest standards with no expense spared in every detail." From the houndstooth upholstery with light gold stitching to the carbon ducktail spoiler, there isn't much on this 911 that's been left standard. As an amalgamation of both past and present, it's a very tricky one to fault.


Once a 2005 Arctic Silver Carrera S, the CSR-28 is now Brewster Green, the same colour as used for the 991 Club Coupe a few years back. It's set off by white gold HRE wheels, with the green and gold colour scheme replicated inside. There are some gorgeous details, too: note the Momo wheels, the 917-style gear knob and the upholstered rear section where the rear seats once were. There's even a matching cool bag! Perfect for lunch on the go.

That's in addition to the sort of tweaks that have made all these CSR 911s so nice - this is no mere paintjob and retrim. The 3.8-litre flat-six has been rebuilt and covered just 2,000 miles since, with upgraded rings and pistons, balanced con rods and ported heads. The CSR exhaust should get the most from all that work. It also has the limited-slip diff that RPM offers, alongside a lightweight clutch and flywheel, KW V3 suspension and a brake upgrade amongst many other changes. The car really should drive as well as it looks.

Clearly an awful lot of time and effort has gone into this build; a huge amount of cash, too, with somewhere in the region of £130,000 being spent to get the car to this point. Or about what that new Heritage Design Edition will cost. With a few thousand miles driven since completion, CSR-28 is now for sale at £83,995. Which, yes, is a lot of money for a 997 - GT3 sort of cash https://www.pistonheads.com/buy/listing/10611628, no less. But as the popularity of cars like the Touring have shown, not everyone wants the intensity of a traditional GT3 experience. And it isn't hard to see why a buyer might be drawn to this particular 997, given the promise of both a great driving experience and a unique, heritage-inspired look. And the cool bag, too, of course.


SPECIFICATION | PORSCHE 911 (997) CARRERA 2S

Engine: 3,824cc, flat six
Transmission: 6-speed manual, rear-wheel drive
Power (hp): 355@6,600rpm
Torque (lb ft): 295@4,600rpm
MPG: 25
CO2: 277g/km
First registered: 2005
Recorded mileage: 122,743 (c.10k since rebuild)
Price new: N/A
Yours for: £83,995

See the original advert here.








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clarki

Original Poster:

1,353 posts

238 months

Thursday 4th February 2021
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So, and ill be honest i'm not up with what is/isn't a good 911, but how much, with what mileage and how old??

Would you not just buy a 991. It'd just be better...and made by Porsche.

skylarking808

979 posts

105 months

Thursday 4th February 2021
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Apart from being a fair chunk of cash, whats not to like?

Great 911.

Maccmike8

1,411 posts

73 months

Thursday 4th February 2021
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That really is lovely, got the best rear of the last 20 years. Lovely touches.

Sandpit Steve

13,385 posts

93 months

Thursday 4th February 2021
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Nice car, tastefully done - but not at GT3 money.

Far Cough

2,459 posts

187 months

Thursday 4th February 2021
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Nice looking but do things like wheel bearings, suspension bushings and all the unseen non headline parts all get a refresh after the initial 122k miles too ??

Huskyman

655 posts

146 months

Thursday 4th February 2021
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2k miles since the engine rebuild but 10k since the rebuild. Which is it?
83 k for a modified 997 with 122 k on the clock? eek


matlotus

124 posts

115 months

Thursday 4th February 2021
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"Smartphone Integration"................. otherwise known as a Parrot lol.

Veeayt

3,139 posts

224 months

Thursday 4th February 2021
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Read the article and couldn't quite understand what's special about that? Especially, 80K+ special

SidewaysSi

10,742 posts

253 months

Thursday 4th February 2021
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Crazy money hence it has been for sale for a while. And what do you spend £130k on? I presume it is RPM's labour rate which is a huge chunk?

Filibuster

3,355 posts

234 months

Thursday 4th February 2021
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SidewaysSi said:
Crazy money hence it has been for sale for a while. And what do you spend £130k on? I presume it is RPM's labour rate which is a huge chunk?
Not this st again.

Labour costs money. End of it. When you do everything yourself and value your own time and effort at £0, even then you rely on works research and development that somebody else has done.

There would be no more mechanics, or any other profession for that matter, if it would be forbidden to charge money for labour someone else has done.

And it's not only £18/h because the company has to pay for tools, rent, computer, printer, paper, ink, water, electricity, social security, tax, etc.

So yes, it is a lot of money and most of it will be labour, but if you want to do it yourself, please feel free to do so.

I don't know what you do for a living, but the whole concept of today's society relies on division of labor.

/rant

ImDesigner

1,961 posts

213 months

Thursday 4th February 2021
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Yep, this is grossly overpriced unfortunately. You could pick up a healthy C2S for £25k and fit the following new parts with paint and labour:

Ducktail ~ £2-2.5k
GT3 bumpers ~ £4-5k (new and painted including the lip and ducting for the front)
KW V3 and fresh arms etc ~ £4-5k
Geo and corner weight ~ £400
Recaro Buckets and brackets for £2-3k
Wheels ~ £3k
Momo wheel (if you're happy to go without the airbag) ~ £300

Do all that on a car with 50k miles less than the example for sale for a total of ~ £44k and you're 80% of the way there.

Not sure why you'd want to blue print the 3.8 unless you want to keep the thing for life. If you're desperate for a rebuild, get Hartech to build you an engine for ~ £15k and you're still £20 odd grand up on this RPM special. Hell, even wrap it green if that's your thing for a few thousand, spend another five on an interior retrim and pocket £12k.




Edited to clarify labour is included in those numbers based on my own research with moddifying my 997.


Edited by ImDesigner on Thursday 4th February 13:50

jorders500

201 posts

108 months

Thursday 4th February 2021
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I love the fabric on the seats.

Jcwjosh

963 posts

131 months

Thursday 4th February 2021
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Sandpit Steve said:
Nice car, tastefully done - but not at GT3 money.
Yes i would much rather have a 997 GT3 and some change over this.

Drekly

953 posts

77 months

Thursday 4th February 2021
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Surely, assuming you don't want something quite as extreme as a GT3 for road use, a 997 GTS makes much more sense.
Cheaper, newer, more power, less miles, official Porsche product, etc...etc...

Jon_S_Rally

4,110 posts

107 months

Thursday 4th February 2021
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Henry Catchpole drove this very car a while ago: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ANmQyLI70-g

Fulla

456 posts

234 months

Thursday 4th February 2021
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Curious to know if anyone on here has actually viewed the car?

I haven't been lucky enough to drive it but I have sat in it and had time looking it over. For me the fit and finish was excellent, those seats and the interior quality made it a lovely place to be in. And I do not doubt the drive would also be fantastic.
Luckily I have experience of knowing RPM, buying from them, and having them look after my car. The facilities they have and skills their team have are right up there.

Not everyone has the money to spend on a project like this, but someone did and had been happy to create their vision of the perfect 997. If I was in the market for a bespoke 911 I'd have RPM on the list.

This is all subjective ofcourse, you could buy a wreck of a house and spend more on its refurb then the market values it. Lot's of people will like what you've done but others wont. If you are happy who cares.
The commissioner of this car was happy, the person who buys it will be happy. IF you ever did get the chance to view it in the flesh I think you'd also like it.


AyBee

10,996 posts

221 months

Thursday 4th February 2021
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I think this is great - love the colour and everything that's been done to it. Just a perfect 911, looks great, goes well (although I'd want rear seats) and different from the norm, but my struggle is that a 997GT3 can be had for less than this, as can a 991 GTS...which makes the price being asked a bit on the high side IMO. If it was £50-60k, I reckon it'd be snapped up.

anonymous-user

73 months

Thursday 4th February 2021
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It’s a nice enough car and well executed but you would have a lot more fun and lower miles car for a lot less money doing it all yourself. Nothing that’s been done on that car is particularly difficult to achieve on your own using companies like Hartech for the engine, upholstery magicians for the interior, a wrap for the paint etc etc.

No one is going to buy that over a gt3 and if they do, more fool them.

Edit: Imdesigner beat me to the punch

Edited by anonymous-user on Thursday 4th February 14:41

7GJR

237 posts

116 months

Thursday 4th February 2021
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It looks lovely, but what’s the USP over a 997 GT3? The ducktail and the retrim?

anonymous-user

73 months

Thursday 4th February 2021
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Car looks lovey but agree its a bucket load of money !