"BEVs are complete bulls**t," he says.
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"Nobody wants EVs, says BMW"
“Customers in Europe do not buy EVs. We pressed these cars into the market and they’re not wanted. We can deliver an electrified vehicle to each person but they will not buy them.”
https://www.motoring.com.au/nobody-wants-evs-says-...
“Customers in Europe do not buy EVs. We pressed these cars into the market and they’re not wanted. We can deliver an electrified vehicle to each person but they will not buy them.”
https://www.motoring.com.au/nobody-wants-evs-says-...
the tone and manner -- in public -- of that BMW guy was just a bit shocking, to me
and there is a moment, in this article, at which a government official goes on a whinge about what he believes to be selfish profiteering by the private sector
the reader truly gets a sense for the friction that can build up between OEMs and government
Very interesting, I like the frank speaking in this. I completely agree with Frölich on this though, I don't have space for multiple vehicles and I don't want to spend the extortionate amount that BEVs currently cost, for what is for me an interior product. Petrol is still relatively cheap so I shall enjoy it whilst I can.
No one wants a BMW ev because they are expensive and ugly.
They only have 1 ev model they purposely set out as a test bed for a bunch of new and expensive things, even then they've sold a fair few despite its looks.
BMW are getting ass f
ked in USA by Tesla because Tesla invested in ev infrastructure and built an ev that people do want.
Tesla are not the only ones doing that but they are the only one with actual volume supply.
BMW have consigned themselves to history with this.
They only have 1 ev model they purposely set out as a test bed for a bunch of new and expensive things, even then they've sold a fair few despite its looks.
BMW are getting ass f
ked in USA by Tesla because Tesla invested in ev infrastructure and built an ev that people do want.Tesla are not the only ones doing that but they are the only one with actual volume supply.
BMW have consigned themselves to history with this.
Because the i3 is effectively a city car, with slow charging. Not equivalent to a long range fast charging bev.
This is the longest road trip I've done in the past few years, planned with a lr model 3.
22min stop in 8 hours of driving.
Tesla have sold 400k+ model 3s, if it had a BMW badge and kidney grills how many would BMW have sold?
This is the longest road trip I've done in the past few years, planned with a lr model 3.
22min stop in 8 hours of driving.
Tesla have sold 400k+ model 3s, if it had a BMW badge and kidney grills how many would BMW have sold?
RobDickinson said:
No one wants a BMW ev because they are expensive and ugly.
They only have 1 ev model they purposely set out as a test bed for a bunch of new and expensive things, even then they've sold a fair few despite its looks.
BMW are getting ass fked in USA by Tesla because Tesla invested in ev infrastructure and built an ev that people do want.
Tesla are not the only ones doing that but they are the only one with actual volume supply.
BMW have consigned themselves to history with this.
Did you read the article?They only have 1 ev model they purposely set out as a test bed for a bunch of new and expensive things, even then they've sold a fair few despite its looks.
BMW are getting ass f
ked in USA by Tesla because Tesla invested in ev infrastructure and built an ev that people do want.Tesla are not the only ones doing that but they are the only one with actual volume supply.
BMW have consigned themselves to history with this.
RobDickinson said:
Because the i3 is effectively a city car, with slow charging. Not equivalent to a long range fast charging bev.
This is the longest road trip I've done in the past few years, planned with a lr model 3.
22min stop in 8 hours of driving.
Tesla have sold 400k+ model 3s, if it had a BMW badge and kidney grills how many would BMW have sold?
I kind of agree with the city car bit cos that's what we mostly use ours for but the i3 is not slow to charge, it comes with CCS fast charging as standard (80% charge in 30 mins) and here in the UK we have 240v in to our homes so 7.2kw is the standard for home chargers on type 2.This is the longest road trip I've done in the past few years, planned with a lr model 3.
22min stop in 8 hours of driving.
Tesla have sold 400k+ model 3s, if it had a BMW badge and kidney grills how many would BMW have sold?
RobDickinson said:
Yeah whatever.
Genuine question. Tesla some twice as many model 3s as 3 series in the USA last year.
If BMW had an equivalent do you think that would have happened?
The root here is customers don't want bevs, that is pure bullst.
Regarding differences between Europe and the USA, from the article:Genuine question. Tesla some twice as many model 3s as 3 series in the USA last year.
If BMW had an equivalent do you think that would have happened?
The root here is customers don't want bevs, that is pure bulls
t. “Europeans are very reluctant to buy a BEV, but the Europeans have fewer cars in the garage than a BMW customer in the US.
“In the US they can have different cars for different purposes, like pick-ups and SUVs and smaller cars, but often the households in Europe have only one car so they are reluctant to rely purely on a BEV."
RobDickinson said:
Yeah whatever.
Genuine question. Tesla some twice as many model 3s as 3 series in the USA last year.
If BMW had an equivalent do you think that would have happened?
The root here is customers don't want bevs, that is pure bullst.
Rob I think you are quite correct in thinking that BMW would have sold barely thousands of the model 3, if it was a BMW. Tesla isn't BMW. BMW (and all other established manufacturers) are so much more conservative than Tesla. Tesla thus doesn't have the constraints of the other manufacturers either, nor the cultural, engineering, people, processes and systems baggage. Tesla also comes out of a culture of spinning up a product on the slightest whiff of a promise - Silicon Valley. This same factory gave you facebook, Theranos, Nest, Juicero.... Genuine question. Tesla some twice as many model 3s as 3 series in the USA last year.
If BMW had an equivalent do you think that would have happened?
The root here is customers don't want bevs, that is pure bulls
t. But back to BMW, they've taken the approach of dumping a lot of R&D into the i3 and i8. Carbon fibre chassis, composite panels, interior materials made from things like bamboo. They've made a city car in the i3 and you could say they've gone after a hard target as they're up against non-BEV's (and REx's) which are half the price and (according to the linked article) more expensive to run!
RobDickinson said:
Yeah whatever.
Genuine question. Tesla some twice as many model 3s as 3 series in the USA last year.
If BMW had an equivalent do you think that would have happened?
The root here is customers don't want bevs, that is pure bullst.
Article is about why Europeans don't want BEVs, in contrast to Americans. In which he is correct. Genuine question. Tesla some twice as many model 3s as 3 series in the USA last year.
If BMW had an equivalent do you think that would have happened?
The root here is customers don't want bevs, that is pure bulls
t. Mike335i said:
Article is about why Europeans don't want BEVs, in contrast to Americans. In which he is correct.
https://thedriven.io/2019/04/30/european-q1-new-car-market-results-out-ice-down-ev-way-up/Data released this week by vehicle data collation organisation JATO showed that Q1 (Jan – Mar) new car sales in the whole of Europe were down by 3.2 per cent over the same period a year earlier.
Bucking the trend however, total EV sales for the first time exceeded 100,000 in one quarter (hitting 125,400). Breaking these figures down further: plug-in electric (BEV & PHEV) sales were up 31% and pure electric (BEV) sales were up 85%.
http://carsalesbase.com/european-sales-2019-q1-pre...
Sales of midsized luxury cars in Europe continue their downward trend in the first quarter of 2019, with deliveries down 3% to just over 160.000 units. And if it hadn’t been for the thunderous arrival of the Tesla Model 3, the segment would have been down by 14%. In March alone, Tesla delivered more Model 3’s than any midsized namplate except for the Mercedes-Benz C-Class, and that also includes all mainstream midsized models like the VW Passat.
Premium midsized car segment 2019-Q1 2018-Q1 Change
BMW 3-series 26.165 28.466 -8%
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