RE: TR Supercars Speed 12 Turbo: Showpiece of the Week

RE: TR Supercars Speed 12 Turbo: Showpiece of the Week

Monday 25th February 2019

TR Supercars Speed 12 Turbo: Showpiece of the Week

The car once declared "too powerful for public roads" is back, with even more power - and a price tag to match



Les Edgar's new TVR venture hasn't exactly gotten off to the smoothest of starts. Not only should production already be well underway, yet for a number of reasons still hasn't gotten going, but the car itself has also met with a mixed reception. Following its unveiling at the 2017 Goodwood Revival, many claimed the design to be too mild-mannered for the famously hot-blooded marque and, if the comments are anything to go by, arriving at last summer's Classic British Welcome alongside a Sagaris did nothing to convince the doubters.

The bonkers spirit that those fans remember is still alive and well, though, even if they don't recognise it in the company's current output. That's thanks to a group of former TVR employees who have themselves set out to finish what they started over 20 years ago, with a modern homage to the legendary Speed 12.


Originally proposed as a GT1 racer, the Speed 12 was designed to compete at Le Mans, but due to regulation changes never made it beyond a few rounds of the FIA's GT Championship. Repurposed as a road car and freed from the limitations of competition rules, the prototype machine weighed just 1,000kg, produced a factory-claimed 810hp (although it was estimated to be in excess of 950hp in reality) and was said to be capable of a McLaren F1-beating top speed greater than 240mph. According to TVR lore, time was eventually called on the Speed 12 project when company owner Peter Wheeler drove the prototype home one evening, he is said to have declared it "too powerful for public roads", pulling the plug and cementing its legendary status amongst enthusiasts.

Which brings us to this week's Showpiece. Under the banner of TR Supercars, Lancashire-based Helical Engineering has attempted to bring the Speed 12 into the 21st century using modern materials, processes and technologies. And this is what they've come up with: the Speed 12 Turbo. The new car boasts a fully customisable set-up, featuring a carbon fibre and aluminium honeycomb cockpit structure, a modular tubular steel chassis/cage, carbon fibre bodywork, adjustable rose jointed suspension, centre-locking wheels, carbon-ceramic brakes and a titanium exhaust system.


All of that is based around a twin-turbocharged 6.0-litre Aston Martin-derived V12 engine. Producing 1,025hp and 615lb ft of torque on its way to an 8,750rpm redline, it propels the Speed 12 Turbo to 62mph in 2.9 seconds, to 120mph in 9.8 seconds and eventually to a top speed of over 218mph. At 1,282kg the car has gained a little weight versus the original - along with traction and launch control - but with its strikingly aggressive styling, six-speed manual transmission and mindblowing performance, it's fair to say it seems to have remained true to its roots.

One example of the original Speed 12 did actually find its way into a customer's hands when, in 2003, TVR paired the carbon fibre bodyshell from one of its racers with the remaining components of its completed prototype. With the buyer personally vetted by Peter Wheeler himself, the car entered the public domain for the first and only time. Until now, that is. The £1.2 million price tag may seem an ungodly sum, but with TR Supercars set to produce only a handful of these blasts from the past, there are sure to be more than a few people who deem it a small price to pay to experience the company that TVR could once have been.


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JohnG1

Original Poster:

3,485 posts

212 months

Monday 25th February 2019
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Out of my price range, but if it was, would require a substantial brave pill.

The heat out of naturally aspirated 5935 Aston Martin V12 is intense. Add in two turbos to generate that amount of power and it's going to be like driving around in a blast furnace on wheels.

Nonetheless, very cool. Congratulations to the soon-to-be owner, can pretty please have a passenger ride?

(Last time I wrote that on here, I had a blast in an LFA, so worth asking nicely!)

Equus

16,980 posts

108 months

Monday 25th February 2019
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Stopped reading at the use of the americanism 'gotten', twice in the first two sentences.

Is this the influence of PistonHeads new murican owners?

Can the author be taken away and flogged until he learns proper use of English English, or - preferably - have him humanely destroyed?

stuthemong

2,401 posts

224 months

Monday 25th February 2019
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What a FANTASTIC start to the week.

Favourite thing I've seen all year biggrin

Mike335i

5,223 posts

109 months

Monday 25th February 2019
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Equus said:
Stopped reading at the use of the americanism 'gotten', twice in the first two sentences.

Is this the influence of PistonHeads new murican owners?

Can the author be taken away and flogged until he learns proper use of English English, or - preferably - have him humanely destroyed?
Really? An article about the glorious Speed 12 being reborn and THAT is what you take form it?

Unbelievable...


I always loved the original, such an amazing car. I remember reading about it in Top Gear Magazine in '98, I was struck by something being faster than the McLaren F1 even being possible.

Turbobanana

6,740 posts

208 months

Monday 25th February 2019
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Looks like they've even cut the gear knob in half to save weight: good effort!

Equus

16,980 posts

108 months

Monday 25th February 2019
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Mike335i said:
Really? An article about the glorious Speed 12 being reborn and THAT is what you take form it?
I'm afraid I couldn't make it any further than those first two sentences, due to the little bit of sick in my throat, so I couldn't take much else from it..

The original, like most TVRs, was a cobbled-together shed. Even Wheeler recognised that, which is why he killed it.

Not sure what benefit there is in cobbling it back together again 20 year's on: we've got better technology available to us, these days, and it's not as if it was done very well first time around.



ETA: From Google, I've just realised that this project is backed by Helical Engineering in Lancashire? That would be the same Helical Engineering who built the K777 replica of Donald Campbell's Bluebird K7, which they couldn't get to work? Their track record of bodging together copies of obsolete technology isn't exactly dazzling, therefore...

There may be some sort of either chicanery or curious coincidence afoot, since if I remember correctly, doesn't Bill Smith from the Bluebird Project own one of the original Speed 12's? And there's no love lost at all between BBP and the K777 team.


Edited by Equus on Monday 25th February 08:09

likesachange

2,636 posts

201 months

Monday 25th February 2019
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Wait... 9.8s 0-120??

So about the same as a new M5?

vz-r_dave

3,469 posts

225 months

Monday 25th February 2019
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likesachange said:
Wait... 9.8s 0-120??

So about the same as a new M5?
I wouldnt be surprised with the rear wing and amount of aero on the car. I doubt it'll ever get tracked but I'd assume this thing is a track monster and would leave an M5 miles behind.

kambites

68,437 posts

228 months

Monday 25th February 2019
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likesachange said:
Wait... 9.8s 0-120??

So about the same as a new M5?
I'd imagine it's going to have significant traction issues. hehe

BigChiefmuffinAgain

1,218 posts

105 months

Monday 25th February 2019
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I'm an ex-Cerbera owner, and had the usual love/hate relationship with the car, but really think this is a very silly idea, with an ever sillier price tag.

Maybe there's a fool around who is eager to be parted with their money, but there will be far better engineered and driveable cars around for a lot less money....

wolfie28

795 posts

151 months

Monday 25th February 2019
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Crazy price and crazy car - I love it and want one biggrin. From my dull and distant memory, did Keith Flint from the Prodigy have a Speed 12?

likesachange

2,636 posts

201 months

Monday 25th February 2019
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kambites said:
I'd imagine it's going to have significant traction issues. hehe
yes... but no more than an Ultima Can Am... for example

I am presuming that's a typo tbh. Traction issues would certainly hinder it to the 60 sprint which it achieves promptly..

6s 60-120 is almost pedestrian these days.. a McLaren 720s will do it in 3.*

Anyway I know that's not what the cars about... Id have rather a 800bhp screaming N/A engine than that heavy V12 TT with over 1000bhp

therealsamdailly

328 posts

70 months

Monday 25th February 2019
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rear lights from a Citroen Cactus? looks awesome

Robert-nszl1

401 posts

95 months

Monday 25th February 2019
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I'm sure there are all sorts of reasons this isn't a great car, but TVRs never were (and I have owned a couple). But they were fast (in a straight line at least, and some of the latter ones could even corner a bit), sounded great, and always looked, at least to my eyes, genuinely special. And they produced completely wacky paint jobs long before wraps were known about, or McLaren had discovered how to part their punters with ever increasing amounts of their cash.

The current TVR incarnation lacks so much of this. It's just not bonkers enough. This car embodies what it should have been like, and so I'm delighted a few engineers, whatever their talents, have given it a go

TIGA84

5,298 posts

238 months

Monday 25th February 2019
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Bit confused, is this the customer car that was delivered that's been modified, or is this an all new car built?

drjdog

345 posts

77 months

Monday 25th February 2019
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Equus said:
Stopped reading at the use of the americanism 'gotten', twice in the first two sentences.

Is this the influence of PistonHeads new murican owners?

Can the author be taken away and flogged until he learns proper use of English English, or - preferably - have him humanely destroyed?
"gotten" is an English English word, perhaps slightly out of fashion in use here, but it is definitely not an Americanism.

Equus

16,980 posts

108 months

Monday 25th February 2019
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drjdog said:
"gotten" is an English English word, perhaps slightly out of fashion in use here, but it is definitely not an Americanism.
For 'slightly out of fashion' read 'disused completely' (apart from by transatlantic twerps).

Look at any dictionary definition (or just listen to common usage), and they'll tell you that its current use is very much an Americanism.

The Oxford English Dictionary said:
The form gotten is not used in British English but is very common in North American English.

cookie1600

2,194 posts

168 months

Monday 25th February 2019
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TIGA84 said:
Bit confused, is this the customer car that was delivered that's been modified, or is this an all new car built?
Or is it one of a few/many (or boxes of bits) originals that are mentioned in this long ago and much discussed thread?

https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...

There's a lot of truth and folklore to dissect in there if you have the time!

cookie1600

2,194 posts

168 months

Monday 25th February 2019
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Perhaps the people involved in the following linked thread can help us through the confusion of how the other 'new' cars came about (is the orange PO15 TYG a clone or modded car?). Is this PO67 FYL for sale and has it any 'original' provenience or is it all new?

https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...

GingerPixel

93 posts

153 months

Monday 25th February 2019
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Equus said:
drjdog said:
"gotten" is an English English word, perhaps slightly out of fashion in use here, but it is definitely not an Americanism.
For 'slightly out of fashion' read 'disused completely' (apart from by transatlantic twerps).

Look at any dictionary definition (or just listen to common usage), and they'll tell you that its current use is very much an Americanism.

The Oxford English Dictionary said:
The form gotten is not used in British English but is very common in North American English.
You seem like fun.

Will always have a soft spot for these after standing next to my Dad at the NEC, slack jawed at a racing example covered in bare carbon and smashed flies on someones stand.


Edited by GingerPixel on Monday 25th February 11:44