RE: Honda Integra Type R DC2: PH Buying Guide

RE: Honda Integra Type R DC2: PH Buying Guide

Thursday 10th May 2018

Honda Integra Type R DC2: PH Used Buying Guide

It's one of the most satisfying cars to drive, but how is it to own? Here's what you need to know.



The Honda Integra R has always had the ability to frustrate. First off, Honda only officially imported it to the UK in DC2 form from 1998 to 2001. Even then, the Big H only brought in 500 for British buyers to snap up, so finding one of these in fine, unmodified form can take a while.

Another frustration with the Integra R is down to the very nature of its design. Drive one as you would most of its contemporary hot hatch rivals and it will feel almost a bit dull. This is because you have to get beyond 6,000rpm for the VTEC variable valve timing to strut its stuff. Use the full 8,700 revs of UK cars and the engine is a fizzing delight.

Making use of the 190hp on offer from the 1.8-litre motor is simple thanks to a standard limited slip differential and chassis that had road testers reaching for the thesaurus when new. Often referred to as the finest handling front-drive car, a well sorted one is still brilliant. The 15-inch wheels give it a suppleness over bump-battered roads and the steering is packed with feel.

All of this came about because Honda was so single-minded with the Integra R's design. The chassis was strengthened with extra spot welds and thicker metal around the rear suspension mounts, while stripping out most of the sound deadening brought the weight down. There was even a thinner windscreen to save the kilos.

It all adds up to a very special car, though perhaps not one best suited to daily use. However, it's hugely satisfying to drive and with prices starting from £6,000 for tired examples and £8,500 for one that's been looked after, it's an affordable way into a rare machine.

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Buyer's checklist

Bodywork and interior
Paint can lose its shine and red cars can suffer from oxidation that gives them a pink hue. Look for signs of overspray if it's been repainted.
Check the body carefully for signs of corrosion and accident damage as plenty have been on track or slid off the road. Rust around the rear wheel arches is common on original UK-spec cars. This can be prevented in the future by removing the rubber seal on the inner arch.
Feel in the boot for any damp as the rear light seals can let in water.
Driver's seat bolster wears quickly.
Look underneath for a loose exhaust heat shield - you'll also hear this as a rattle when the engine is revved.
Inspect the windscreen for chips and cracks. Tt's more prone to the latter as it's thinner than standard glass to save weight.
Be sure to get the red master key when buying a DC2 as replacements are expensive if you lose the ignition key.
Electric aerial can seize due to water getting into the mechanism.
UK cars have the rear fog light incorporated into the bumper while imports will have an aftermarket fog light. Pre-98 JDM cars have single unit headlights.


Engine and transmission

The B18C engine is very tough, but it needs regular oil level checks as it uses a little even with gentle use. Owners and specialists say a good quality oil, such as Silkolene Pro S 5W30, is needed because the engine revs much higher than most. Changing the oil every 6,000 miles is also standard practice unless you take the car on track, in which case you'll need a thicker oil and more regular changes.
Cambelt and spark plugs are due routine replacement at 60,000 miles, but more regular changes are recommended on cars that are only used occasionally, so budget for this every five years.
Original Honda oil, coolant and fuel filters work best as they were designed to cope with the engine's high revs.
Coolant should be replaced every four years or 48,000 miles.
Clutch can take a pounding from inconsiderate drivers revving the car too hard to get it off the line and track use takes its toll. Slave cylinder can weep fluid.
Synchromesh for second and third gears can wear with repeated track use, so listen for any graunching when you swap gears.
Check gear shifts are quick and precise with no slop. If it feels loose, a new linkage mount is £15.
Limited slip differential is standard.


Suspension and steering

Worn bushes will spoil the handling. A full set of replacements using poly bushes won't be cheap but it's easy to do and they'll last longer.
A set of Bilstein B6 shock absorbers for all four corners comes in at £500 and will be needed by the time the Integra has covered 60,000 miles to preserve the handling.
Wheels, tyres and brakes
UK cars came with 282mm front discs as standard, whereas earlier JDM versions have 262mm rotors.
Brake judder points to track use, but new discs are only £60 for a front pair.

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SPECIFICATION - HONDA INTEGRA TYPE R DC2

Engine: 1,797cc 4-cyl inline
Transmission: 5-speed manual
Power (hp): 190@/8,000rpm
Torque (lb ft): 131@7,300rpm
MPG: 32.5
CO2: 208g/km
Price new: £22,500
Price now: £6,000 upwards

Author
Discussion

chrisironside

Original Poster:

761 posts

169 months

Thursday 10th May 2018
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Had one of these, an absolute gem of a car!

macky17

2,220 posts

196 months

Thursday 10th May 2018
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Tremendous cars. I usually understand those instances when older cars become classics and their values soar (various Fords, Scoobies) but I don't understand at all why these remain so cheap.

Scottie - NW

1,334 posts

240 months

Thursday 10th May 2018
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90's Jap car = more rust than Rustville.

And in horrible areas you can't see.

Been there many times, still there with one Jap car, really takes the enjoyment out of them.

Jonstar

906 posts

198 months

Thursday 10th May 2018
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I'm a fan but how many more dc2 articles can you do?!

mp3manager

4,254 posts

203 months

Thursday 10th May 2018
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Slow news day?

How many DC2 buyer's guides does PH need? And why do they still have basic mistakes in the article?

Would I have another DC2? Maybe but I'd take another DC5 in a heartbeat.

TristPerrin

138 posts

185 months

Thursday 10th May 2018
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Scottie - NW said:
90's Jap car = more rust than Rustville.

And in horrible areas you can't see.

Been there many times, still there with one Jap car, really takes the enjoyment out of them.
Oh god this.

Every DC2 I looked at had at least bubbling arches or rotten rear sills.

Petevxl

96 posts

147 months

Thursday 10th May 2018
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Imported a minter of a 98 spec last year. Best car related decision I have made to date.

Now if we can just have 2 or 3 more buying guides to help push the market up....

dannyDC2

7,543 posts

175 months

Thursday 10th May 2018
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Article said:
Owners and specialists say a good quality oil, such as Silkolene Pro S 5W30, is needed because the engine revs much higher than most.
Too thin. 40 weight for road, 50/60 for track on a B18c. Helps keeps the temps down... They get hot on track, as you'd expect.

rampageturke

2,622 posts

169 months

Thursday 10th May 2018
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Petevxl said:
Imported a minter of a 98 spec last year. Best car related decision I have made to date.

Now if we can just have 2 or 3 more buying guides to help push the market up....
just curious, who did you go through for the import?

krismccloy

256 posts

156 months

Thursday 10th May 2018
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Petevxl said:
Imported a minter of a 98 spec last year. Best car related decision I have made to date.

Now if we can just have 2 or 3 more buying guides to help push the market up....
I imported a white '99 in 2013, SRS,ABS and Privacy glass delete model with a black interior. I loved that car

Buying a recent import takes the rust issues out of the equation and under sealing it properly means rust shouldn't become an issue. I would only have a clean DC2 as a 2nd car these days, there compromised and getting a bit special use on a daily basis in my opinion.


acme

3,002 posts

205 months

Thursday 10th May 2018
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I love these to bits, even though I tested one years ago and wasn't that impressed - perhaps years on very revvy bikes took the sting out.

Anyway I still look at them, but as has been said, rust! I looked at one a couple of years ago, a genuine 2 owner 38k miler, it was immaculate and had clearly been loved by it's first owner of 16 odd years, but it still had signs of rust on the outside near the arches, it was at that point I gave up.

Still want one though!

nitrodave

1,262 posts

145 months

Thursday 10th May 2018
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I do love these, but think they're over priced for what they are.

I had one for a couple of years about 5 years ago and they are great fun, but there are many other cars I would choose for the strong money they are commanding now.

Jon_S_Rally

3,672 posts

95 months

Thursday 10th May 2018
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I remember being taken out in a JDM DC2 several years ago and it was very impressive, even from the passenger seat. A car I have always fancied a try at, but not something I am enthusiastic enough to spend my own money on.

Given the horror stories I have heard from Honda owners, I think this guide (which seems a bit short on detail generally) is very much under-playing the rust issues. I saw one of these a few months ago and half the rear quarter panel was bubbling. In my experience of cars of the 80s and 90s, if the arches are showing signs of rust, that is the least of your worries. The chances are, the places you can't see will be much, much worse.

A shame, as they're a great car, but one that requires some care now I should imagine, as with a lot of the 90s Japanese cars.

mp3manager

4,254 posts

203 months

Thursday 10th May 2018
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Let's put the rust issue to bed once and for all. I never suffered rusty arches on my DC2 & DC5 because I thoroughly cleaned inside the arches and never allowed damp road muck to sit on the inner-lip of the arch.

It's as simple as that.

greenarrow

3,963 posts

124 months

Thursday 10th May 2018
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Scottie - NW said:
90's Jap car = more rust than Rustville.

And in horrible areas you can't see.

Been there many times, still there with one Jap car, really takes the enjoyment out of them.
Yup, I just offloaded my beloved NB Mazda MX-5 because the rust had taken hold and I am not skilled enough to deal with it myself, hence it was uneconomic to continue with it.

One other thing about the legend of the DC02 that has always puzzled me. I bought all the period road tests when it came out and I don't remember this car particularly dominating. Sure it was rated, but the whole "best FWD car of all time" seemed to come along quite a few years later. Indeed I still have the Vicky Butler Henderson TG test where the Integra came 2nd to the then new Clio 172 and was a couple of seconds slower around Croft than a Ford Racing Puma.

It certainly didn't stick out as a class leader, like, say the Clio 200 Cup did in the late 2000s and TBH now that you can pick up one of those for less than a tidy DC02, I reckon that's where my money would go if I was in the market for a high revving FWD hatch that could be used on road and track.

dufunk

182 posts

130 months

Thursday 10th May 2018
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Had the uk one with 187bhp which had a few mods more aggressive in the vtec than k20 which was fun when in the mood.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2iM99fgG8K4



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Edited by dufunk on Thursday 10th May 15:52

Jonny_gti

291 posts

87 months

Thursday 10th May 2018
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Had a jdm 96 spec about 6 years ago now picked it up back then for £3500. probably the best driver's car I have owned. values flying up now especially for clean 98spec cars. Would love another.

lakeogh

9 posts

168 months

Thursday 10th May 2018
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I thought these were only supplied in white for UK/IRE market.

Tekno

204 posts

108 months

Thursday 10th May 2018
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mp3manager said:
Slow news day?

How many DC2 buyer's guides does PH need? And why do they still have basic mistakes in the article?

Would I have another DC2? Maybe but I'd take another DC5 in a heartbeat.
Had 2 x DC2's and 1 x DC5.

The DC2 is so much more special out of the box (for me). The DC5 needed 3k of exhaust, GruppeM and K100 & FRSU before it felt nearly as alive.

Either way, both great cars.

lb3nson

811 posts

96 months

Thursday 10th May 2018
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dannyDC2 said:
Too thin. 40 weight for road, 50/60 for track on a B18c. Helps keeps the temps down... They get hot on track, as you'd expect.
Any particular brand you'd recommend for B18 on track? Running 10/40 at the moment but will move up when I next change the oil.