An epidemic of insanely slow drivers

[bigothunter]

M4cruiser said:

bigothunter said:

KTMsm said:

M4cruiser said:

It is.
Or rather, if you can't overtake a bike when you need to, that's a fail.

No I mean overtaking of cars

It was part of my advanced motorcycle test

"Is it time to ban overtaking?"

https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?t=16...

You really haven't read my thread properly, have you? Let me highlight this bit:-

"Overtaking a non-motor vehicle (like a pedal cycle) would also be an exception to the ban."

So, overtaking a bike is fine, I think it's great to be able to get past a small narrow vehicle doing 15mph. And as mentioned above, you'd fail a test if you didn't go past when you should.
Overtaking a car is a different matter.
If you are trying to say I'm inconsistent, then perhaps go back and read more carefully!

You advocated banning overtaking other than in exceptional cases. I just reiterated your words. Allow me to highlight them. There's no reason to get upset.

M4cruiser said:

"With our UK roads getting busier all the time, it's time to start the process to ban overtaking.... and I mean on roads where there is only 1 lane in your direction."

https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?t=16...

Edited by bigothunter on Tuesday 2nd July 17:54

[M4cruiser]

KTMsm said:

RSTurboPaul said:

Do the drivers have the same view as you?

I have been beckoned past on a single track road before by cyclists but had shorter sightlines because I was lower than them, so declined the offer.

Conversely, I've regularly been in a queue of cars behind a cyclist and I would have overtaken from where I was (4/5 cars back) if I'd been in my MX5 or RX7 let alone if I was behind the cyclist

Unfortunately I was in my Vito

Overtaking should be taught as part of the driving test

Oh dear, may I just re-post KTmsm's post (above) from 15:00 Monday, that's what this is about.

I guess we shouldn't re-open the closed topic you referred to, or the mods will stamp on us, but feel free to start a new thread specifically about overtaking!

It was merely a mis-interpretation by me of KTmsm's suggestion that overtaking should be taught as part of the driving test. I thought it was referring to the lead car in the queue, stuck (or rather staying) behind a bike. I think we all agree that getting past the bike should be a skill we all have.

[theplayingmantis]

hes a very clever troll. i salute him. the air of incompetence (see the blame apportion for the car on slip road driving into a lorry as the car joins a motorway post - a clue he says its the lorry, which already on the main roads fault, for some idiot driving into the side of him and also the number of uncanny mechanical misfortunes he has suffered from) hides his true intentions. its genius, i respect the brilliance of it.

the highlighted thread would mean we sit behind m4 as he admittedly doesn't bother to get up to speed in NSLs as its pointless mostly and not safe, so he can have a queue behind him beholden to what he judges a safe speed in a clear sighted wide NSL (40) and where for every sideroad/drive/road sign/obsolete SLOW wording on the road/slight bend/oncoming vehicle in other lane, he brakes, just because you never know.

[KTMsm]

bigothunter said:

Median barriers would slow you down.

Plenty of room on the left

[bigothunter]

KTMsm said:

bigothunter said:

Median barriers would slow you down.

Plenty of room on the left

On a bike

[TameRacingDriver]

LunarOne said:

The Selfish Gene said:

5s Alive said:

Prosecution begins at 10%+2, even 56 would be too close for comfort. I saw a few cameras going off as cars passed temporary 60 motorway signs last Friday. It's easily done.

well i've heard so much chat about it - and i've had a clean licence for ages, so I must admit I have been testing it for awhile, going 1mph up each time.....

I can confirm, 56 was too close for comfort but 57 defo was over their silly line

The line may be silly, but you're a plonker for knowing where the line is, putting your toe over it and then having the gall to complain about being caught. I'm surprised you weren't too embarrassed to complain on here about it because it's an utterly daft mistake to make. If you want to ignore speed limits (and trust me I do, often) then pick your time, place and speed wisely.

I don't recall seeing him complaining? Sharing the story, yes, but complaining?

[mac96]

I haven't read all 90 pages, so if this has been covered, sorry!
The slow drivers I have really noticed are some motorcyclists on single carriageway roads. Not small bikes either, but big bikes with substantial but untapped performance.

Driving a car, you used to know what expect. If there was a bike immediately ahead, it would be gone very shortly, having taken advantage of an overtaking opportunity which a car couldn't; if it was behind, it would be past you and gone in no time. In neither case did it hold you up at all. And it was a pleasure to see someone enjoying themselves.

Now though, I often see bikes just trundling along with the 40 - 50mph traffic. I can see why, but it just seems to be a shame.

[KTMsm]

mac96 said:

The slow drivers I have really noticed are some motorcyclists on single carriageway roads. Not small bikes either, but big bikes with substantial but untapped performance.

Driving a car, you used to know what expect. If there was a bike immediately ahead, it would be gone very shortly, having taken advantage of an overtaking opportunity which a car couldn't; if it was behind, it would be past you and gone in no time. In neither case did it hold you up at all. And it was a pleasure to see someone enjoying themselves.

Now though, I often see bikes just trundling along with the 40 - 50mph traffic. I can see why, but it just seems to be a shame.

Agreed

I regularly come across them and I think what have they seen that I haven't

I look around for a while checking for Police etc and then overtake them

Regularly find bikers who can't overtake very well too, I let a guy past me who came flying up at 100+, I followed him but when he came to a car he followed it

I let two overtaking opportunities pass, not wanting to cause an accident with him but then took the third and overtook them both - If you can't overtake a car in rural Wales on a 1000cc sports bike, there's something wrong

[Mandat]

bigothunter said:

Median barriers would slow you down.

Does that barrier make the road a dual carriageway, with a correspondingly higher speed limit?

[bigothunter]

Mandat said:

bigothunter said:

Median barriers would slow you down.

Does that barrier make the road a dual carriageway, with a correspondingly higher speed limit?

Good one

[biggbn]

mac96 said:

I haven't read all 90 pages, so if this has been covered, sorry!
The slow drivers I have really noticed are some motorcyclists on single carriageway roads. Not small bikes either, but big bikes with substantial but untapped performance.

Driving a car, you used to know what expect. If there was a bike immediately ahead, it would be gone very shortly, having taken advantage of an overtaking opportunity which a car couldn't; if it was behind, it would be past you and gone in no time. In neither case did it hold you up at all. And it was a pleasure to see someone enjoying themselves.

Now though, I often see bikes just trundling along with the 40 - 50mph traffic. I can see why, but it just seems to be a shame.

Maybe the riders are just enjoying the experience?

[mac96]

biggbn said:

mac96 said:

I haven't read all 90 pages, so if this has been covered, sorry!
The slow drivers I have really noticed are some motorcyclists on single carriageway roads. Not small bikes either, but big bikes with substantial but untapped performance.

Driving a car, you used to know what expect. If there was a bike immediately ahead, it would be gone very shortly, having taken advantage of an overtaking opportunity which a car couldn't; if it was behind, it would be past you and gone in no time. In neither case did it hold you up at all. And it was a pleasure to see someone enjoying themselves.

Now though, I often see bikes just trundling along with the 40 - 50mph traffic. I can see why, but it just seems to be a shame.

Maybe the riders are just enjoying the experience?

Perfectly true, and I wasn't criticising the riders in question, just highlighting what seems to me to be change in behaviour. I find the same as a car driver- I drive a lot more slowly on the same North Wales roads than I used to, and try to find other ways of enjoying driving rather than rushing about. Perhaps it's about getting older, and maybe average biker age is increasing as well.

[BunkMoreland]

KTMsm said:

No I mean overtaking of cars

It was part of my advanced motorcycle test

I failed my first bike test for NOT overtaking a lorry, uphill, on a dual carriageway in the pissing rain! Was the ONLY major on that test!

I got in my head and thought as I came up behind it, what should I do? So I just sat the safe distance behind it. Examiner said "if this wasn't a test, you'd have just overtaken it perfectly fine, but you didn't and there wasn't a good reason why you didn't"

Turns out he was an ex London courier. My instructor told me after that this tester likes people to get on with it.

I had him again when I passed. I rode around slightly over the speed limit on every road and he never even mentioned it!

[Mr Tidy]

mac96 said:

biggbn said:

mac96 said:

I haven't read all 90 pages, so if this has been covered, sorry!
The slow drivers I have really noticed are some motorcyclists on single carriageway roads. Not small bikes either, but big bikes with substantial but untapped performance.

Driving a car, you used to know what expect. If there was a bike immediately ahead, it would be gone very shortly, having taken advantage of an overtaking opportunity which a car couldn't; if it was behind, it would be past you and gone in no time. In neither case did it hold you up at all. And it was a pleasure to see someone enjoying themselves.

Now though, I often see bikes just trundling along with the 40 - 50mph traffic. I can see why, but it just seems to be a shame.

Maybe the riders are just enjoying the experience?

Perfectly true, and I wasn't criticising the riders in question, just highlighting what seems to me to be change in behaviour. I find the same as a car driver- I drive a lot more slowly on the same North Wales roads than I used to, and try to find other ways of enjoying driving rather than rushing about. Perhaps it's about getting older, and maybe average biker age is increasing as well.

There I was hoping the age factor had disappeared from this thread.

In my teens and early 20s in the 1970s it was flat out whenever possible on RD Yamahas. I got my 2.8i Capri to the rev-limiter on the M25 in the late 80s!

I was 65 this year, but there aren't many places where you can get a move on with poxy cameras everywhere. But I've had some great trips in Scotland.