Speed limiters from July 7 2024 on all new cars
Discussion
Terminator X said:
740EVTORQUES said:
Why do you want to break the speed limit on road?
Limits are too low for modern cars and getting lower every year?Also the tech isn't fit for purpose, even you must agree?! Bit like the lane warning systems dragging the car left for no reason.
TX.
Debaser said:
toasty said:
The simple answer for sports car manufacturers is to place a ‘user settings on’ button right next to the start button. Job done (until they ban it).
The regulation requires the system be difficult to switch off. A simple button press isn't allowed.Start vehicle, all systems reactivated. Single button press to activate profile, second button press to answer the 'Are you sure?' request. Sorted.
At least until the buggers legislate to prevent that, which would not put it past them. By that time I will possibly have given up driving.
Speed limits are not the problem.
Having lived with speed limiters for the past 30 years in trucks, the problem is not you per se, its others lacking in nous and common sense..
Many of you detest the truck elephant racers, i do too and been driving artics full time for nearly 50 years.
Where the problems will come is when, and it will happen, the limiters can't be overridden, so you come up behind someone doing the statutory 45 mph everywhere, main roads villages school crossing patrols no matter, what's going to happen when you dare to overtake this particular fool when a suitable space appears but being a bear of little brain he wants to police the roads so accelerates to limiter speed to prevent you completing the maneuver.
They are out there, they would happily cause a multiple pile up to prove they were right, most of you can guess the type so currently we tend to hang back nonchalantly and take them by surprise as quickly as possible before they can react (confirmed as brain dead when the headlight flashing and horn blowing commences), but when you've only got 15mph to play with assuming the road is single carriage NSL...well you can see the issue.
Having lived with speed limiters for the past 30 years in trucks, the problem is not you per se, its others lacking in nous and common sense..
Many of you detest the truck elephant racers, i do too and been driving artics full time for nearly 50 years.
Where the problems will come is when, and it will happen, the limiters can't be overridden, so you come up behind someone doing the statutory 45 mph everywhere, main roads villages school crossing patrols no matter, what's going to happen when you dare to overtake this particular fool when a suitable space appears but being a bear of little brain he wants to police the roads so accelerates to limiter speed to prevent you completing the maneuver.
They are out there, they would happily cause a multiple pile up to prove they were right, most of you can guess the type so currently we tend to hang back nonchalantly and take them by surprise as quickly as possible before they can react (confirmed as brain dead when the headlight flashing and horn blowing commences), but when you've only got 15mph to play with assuming the road is single carriage NSL...well you can see the issue.
https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/cars/article-1...
This article is pretty good. Avoids the hysteria and FUD of most reporting that has been done about ISA.
Shows how manufacturers have chosen to implement it in the UK, even though it's not required.
This article is pretty good. Avoids the hysteria and FUD of most reporting that has been done about ISA.
Shows how manufacturers have chosen to implement it in the UK, even though it's not required.
Smint said:
Speed limits are not the problem.
Having lived with speed limiters for the past 30 years in trucks, the problem is not you per se, its others lacking in nous and common sense..
Many of you detest the truck elephant racers, i do too and been driving artics full time for nearly 50 years.
Where the problems will come is when, and it will happen, the limiters can't be overridden, so you come up behind someone doing the statutory 45 mph everywhere, main roads villages school crossing patrols no matter, what's going to happen when you dare to overtake this particular fool when a suitable space appears but being a bear of little brain he wants to police the roads so accelerates to limiter speed to prevent you completing the maneuver.
They are out there, they would happily cause a multiple pile up to prove they were right, most of you can guess the type so currently we tend to hang back nonchalantly and take them by surprise as quickly as possible before they can react (confirmed as brain dead when the headlight flashing and horn blowing commences), but when you've only got 15mph to play with assuming the road is single carriage NSL...well you can see the issue.
I see this too in Spain, but it's worse there as there is a 15mph allowance for overtaking that should solve the problem but doesn't.Having lived with speed limiters for the past 30 years in trucks, the problem is not you per se, its others lacking in nous and common sense..
Many of you detest the truck elephant racers, i do too and been driving artics full time for nearly 50 years.
Where the problems will come is when, and it will happen, the limiters can't be overridden, so you come up behind someone doing the statutory 45 mph everywhere, main roads villages school crossing patrols no matter, what's going to happen when you dare to overtake this particular fool when a suitable space appears but being a bear of little brain he wants to police the roads so accelerates to limiter speed to prevent you completing the maneuver.
They are out there, they would happily cause a multiple pile up to prove they were right, most of you can guess the type so currently we tend to hang back nonchalantly and take them by surprise as quickly as possible before they can react (confirmed as brain dead when the headlight flashing and horn blowing commences), but when you've only got 15mph to play with assuming the road is single carriage NSL...well you can see the issue.
They're sitting at 45mph in a 50, you are allowed a temporary 65 for overtaking but they speed up to exactly this when alongside to stop people getting past
normalbloke said:
Terminator X said:
740EVTORQUES said:
Why do you want to break the speed limit on road?
Limits are too low for modern cars and getting lower every year?Also the tech isn't fit for purpose, even you must agree?! Bit like the lane warning systems dragging the car left for no reason.
TX.
bigothunter said:
Because many (probably most) speed limits are ridiculously low and slavish obedience is moronic.
I just checked and the highway code states that at 60mph the stopping distance is 240 feet. A Skoda Octavia (A decently average motor) can do it in just 112 feet. If frontal collision assists are available then thinking time gets cut right down too. Very out of date advice, best to err on the side of caution sure but not data from the days of cross ply tyres and asbestos lined drum brakes surely. 70mph does start to sound really low with these advancementsYears ago when I took my sister to Oktoberfest I realized that even on the bahn most people just do relatively sensible speeds because otherwise it is so tiring and stressful to go flat out all the time. Very costly on fuel and noisy too. So people end up basically going at the 80-90 everyone here seems to end up doing anyway.
johnboy1975 said:
Lil_Red_GTV said:
Funnily enough I just, concurrently with the start of this thread, started this thread about my experience of Intelligent Speed Assistance in a 2024 Peugeot 408:
https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...
It's not good.
Yeah that's exactly the sort of thing I was hoping to avoid https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...
It's not good.
Wife's getting a Skoda Karoq in June, or early July - hopefully before the 7th - if that even makes a difference?? - seems most manufacturers have jumped the gun (understandable given retrofitting would no doubt be a nightmare)
Anyone got any experience of Skoda's system? And is it turn off and onable?
Might stick to the WagonR
And going back to my first point, without trying to turn it into another Brexit thread, why are the European Commission's ramblings of any concern to us? At least give us an optional extra of a kill switch which I believe Mazda use - from reading of the original thread and a Jeremy Clarkson Telegraph review of same, I believe
Just like most of the “rules forced upon us by the EU” were initiated, led or supported by U.K. governments!
740EVTORQUES said:
Why do you want to break the speed limit on road?
I am going to be honest, there are times when it's simply fun to drive quickly, but also safely, at above the posted speed limit. I do not condone dangerous driving and will mostly drive under the speed limit in urban areas, or areas where speed is dangerous. I don't drive fast around other people, in fact I drive in such a way as to not cause alarm ot inconvenience to others at all times. But there are places, almost exclusively NSL roads, that are well sighted, quiet and where most drivers are able to enjoy a vehicle at, or maybe even exceeding the posted speed limit.
This was not controversial until fairly recently, when it suddenly became antisocial to enjoy driving. Having said that, there are monumental idiots out there that have done their best to make driving as dangerous as possible in urban areas, so we have them to thank for our collective and reductive reputation.
That is my confession and I feel better for making it.
Oh, and auto speed limiters do not work very well, but we all know that already.
Exasperated said:
What can a poorly maintained Octavia with worn HappyJoy SuperSlide Pro XL tyres do it in?
Nearly as quick due to downforce from the Taxi sign. Like I say the figures need to be on the side of caution, your HappyJoy wearing Skoda would be fine. More realistic results than a Ford Angliahedges88 said:
I just checked and the highway code states that at 60mph the stopping distance is 240 feet. A Skoda Octavia (A decently average motor) can do it in just 112 feet. If frontal collision assists are available then thinking time gets cut right down too. Very out of date advice, best to err on the side of caution sure but not data from the days of cross ply tyres and asbestos lined drum brakes surely. 70mph does start to sound really low with these advancements.
bigothunter said:
normalbloke said:
Terminator X said:
740EVTORQUES said:
Why do you want to break the speed limit on road?
Limits are too low for modern cars and getting lower every year?Also the tech isn't fit for purpose, even you must agree?! Bit like the lane warning systems dragging the car left for no reason.
TX.
The majority seem very keen on "growth", but don't seem to understand that slowing everyone down puts a brake on it.
hedges88 said:
bigothunter said:
Because many (probably most) speed limits are ridiculously low and slavish obedience is moronic.
I just checked and the highway code states that at 60mph the stopping distance is 240 feet. A Skoda Octavia (A decently average motor) can do it in just 112 feet. If frontal collision assists are available then thinking time gets cut right down too. Very out of date advice, best to err on the side of caution sure but not data from the days of cross ply tyres and asbestos lined drum brakes surely. 70mph does start to sound really low with these advancementsYears ago when I took my sister to Oktoberfest I realized that even on the bahn most people just do relatively sensible speeds because otherwise it is so tiring and stressful to go flat out all the time. Very costly on fuel and noisy too. So people end up basically going at the 80-90 everyone here seems to end up doing anyway.
There are two dual carriageways going into London within a few miles of me that have been reduced from 70 mph to 50 mph 24 hours a day, policed by average speed cameras.
That's a 25% reduction in speed allowed, regardless of traffic conditions.
I used to be able to razz down those roads perfectly legally at 70 mph in a 1983 Ford Fiesta. Now, in a modern Porsche that speed would get you what, 6 points and a stonking fine?
Same road, same conditions. Welcome to modern Britain.
Meanwhile, I was driving in the US recently on an 80 mph road where it was legal for 14 years old to drive in any old beat up car they chose. Figure that one out.
Edited by 996 Turbo Time on Monday 8th July 23:55
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