Garage wrecked my Range Rover engine… please help
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I'm surprised nobody's pointed out the choice of OP's username yet, very direct of her!
In relation to the original question, I suspect you'd have a very uphill struggle proving that garage 2 caused the damage when it was already accepted that the car had a serious mechanical problem before taking it to them, and the first garage had already given suggestions as to what it was and how serious it was likely to be.
Driving "gently" with a knackered/dying engine does not mean no further damage will come to it on the journey between garage 1 and 2 - nor does it mean that the damage was not already terminal by the time the car reached garage 1, the engine just hadn't fully given out at that point.
Sounds to me like it might be best OP consulting her insurance to get an assessor to come and look at the car and potentially write it off / pay out on it. That's likely to be less costly than buying and sourcing a replacement engine out of her own pocket.
In relation to the original question, I suspect you'd have a very uphill struggle proving that garage 2 caused the damage when it was already accepted that the car had a serious mechanical problem before taking it to them, and the first garage had already given suggestions as to what it was and how serious it was likely to be.
Driving "gently" with a knackered/dying engine does not mean no further damage will come to it on the journey between garage 1 and 2 - nor does it mean that the damage was not already terminal by the time the car reached garage 1, the engine just hadn't fully given out at that point.
Sounds to me like it might be best OP consulting her insurance to get an assessor to come and look at the car and potentially write it off / pay out on it. That's likely to be less costly than buying and sourcing a replacement engine out of her own pocket.
-Lummox- said:
I'm surprised nobody's pointed out the choice of OP's username yet, very direct of her!
In relation to the original question, I suspect you'd have a very uphill struggle proving that garage 2 caused the damage when it was already accepted that the car had a serious mechanical problem before taking it to them, and the first garage had already given suggestions as to what it was and how serious it was likely to be.
Driving "gently" with a knackered/dying engine does not mean no further damage will come to it on the journey between garage 1 and 2 - nor does it mean that the damage was not already terminal by the time the car reached garage 1, the engine just hadn't fully given out at that point.
Sounds to me like it might be best OP consulting her insurance to get an assessor to come and look at the car and potentially write it off / pay out on it. That's likely to be less costly than buying and sourcing a replacement engine out of her own pocket.
Yet that didn’t appear to stop Garage No2 from running the engine, and they are expected to have the nous to not cause further damage.In relation to the original question, I suspect you'd have a very uphill struggle proving that garage 2 caused the damage when it was already accepted that the car had a serious mechanical problem before taking it to them, and the first garage had already given suggestions as to what it was and how serious it was likely to be.
Driving "gently" with a knackered/dying engine does not mean no further damage will come to it on the journey between garage 1 and 2 - nor does it mean that the damage was not already terminal by the time the car reached garage 1, the engine just hadn't fully given out at that point.
Sounds to me like it might be best OP consulting her insurance to get an assessor to come and look at the car and potentially write it off / pay out on it. That's likely to be less costly than buying and sourcing a replacement engine out of her own pocket.
A quick glance at Autotrader suggests that to have £28k still outstanding on a 2016 RRS Autobiogrpahy 5.0 petrol with that mileage probably means the OP overpaid / overfinanced for it in the first place.
There's several examples of the same age and spec, with lower mileages, currenty for sale around £22k. Though that does mean if she didn't have GAP insurance on the purchase, she's still likely to be out of pocket if it was written off, as the insurance will only give market value for it.
There's several examples of the same age and spec, with lower mileages, currenty for sale around £22k. Though that does mean if she didn't have GAP insurance on the purchase, she's still likely to be out of pocket if it was written off, as the insurance will only give market value for it.
Condado said:
Come onto open forums ask for free advice and get a strop when you don’t like the answer.
ftfy. It's a part of forums generally that there will be a level of told-you-so and general bellendery. Take it on the chin\ignore it.However, I for one particualrly enjoyed that there was no mention of (female) gender whatsoever until OP played the 'you're all horrible misogynists' card. Equality is a funny old thing sometimes.
gazza285 said:
Yet that didn’t appear to stop Garage No2 from running the engine, and they are expected to have the nous to not cause further damage.
Agreed but there's a world of difference in the law between what you think or suspect and what you can prove. Given the background, I'm not sure there's many independent specialists who would be willing and able to inspect the engine and prepare a report saying garage 2 are 100% responsible for the engine seizing.
And even if you found a garage who would, what's to say their report would be accepted by a court as being more accurate / valid / true than whatever evidence garage 2 could produce? I still think the OP would be better off speaking to her insurance and going down that route, than going on a potentially fruitless and ever more costly moral crusade based on assumptions that probably can't be proven to an infallible degree.
FMOB said:
I feel for the OP, they are in a quite a big hole.
I wonder if garage 1 told the OP whether it was driveable or not? Personally knowing a little bit about cars, driving with a suspected engine timing issue is high risk and could go badly wrong.
I suspect by the time it arrived at garage 2 it was probably too late to save the engine, the video mentioned by the OP of it running and sounding like a tractor were probably the engine on its last legs and running it for a compression test was the last gasp.
Unfortunately I think this falls into the 's
t happens' category and it was too late to save the engine. If the OP had told garage 2 not to run the engine, push the car into the bay and just strip it down for repairs and they ran it I think they may have a case against garage 2.
As it stands I think the car will owe £38k+ by the time this is done.
Why do you feel for the OP? Stretch yourself to buy a RR Sport on finance but shriek when the inevitable big bill comes about. Doesn't even have the common sense to get some sort of extended warranty on it. Especially with the amount she has loaned! A quick look on Autotrader and a 2016 on similar mileage is worth 24k.I wonder if garage 1 told the OP whether it was driveable or not? Personally knowing a little bit about cars, driving with a suspected engine timing issue is high risk and could go badly wrong.
I suspect by the time it arrived at garage 2 it was probably too late to save the engine, the video mentioned by the OP of it running and sounding like a tractor were probably the engine on its last legs and running it for a compression test was the last gasp.
Unfortunately I think this falls into the 's
t happens' category and it was too late to save the engine. If the OP had told garage 2 not to run the engine, push the car into the bay and just strip it down for repairs and they ran it I think they may have a case against garage 2.As it stands I think the car will owe £38k+ by the time this is done.
Hopefully this will be a valuable life lesson for her to not live beyond her means because she is in negative equity on this one! Life is brutal I am afraid and she has just got to suck it up.
-Lummox- said:
I still think the OP would be better off speaking to her insurance and going down that route, than going on a potentially fruitless and ever more costly moral crusade based on assumptions that probably can't be proven to an infallible degree.
I may be in the midst of a massive brain fart here but surely her insurance isn't going to cover this?BricktopST205 said:
FMOB said:
I feel for the OP, they are in a quite a big hole.
I wonder if garage 1 told the OP whether it was driveable or not? Personally knowing a little bit about cars, driving with a suspected engine timing issue is high risk and could go badly wrong.
I suspect by the time it arrived at garage 2 it was probably too late to save the engine, the video mentioned by the OP of it running and sounding like a tractor were probably the engine on its last legs and running it for a compression test was the last gasp.
Unfortunately I think this falls into the 'st happens' category and it was too late to save the engine. If the OP had told garage 2 not to run the engine, push the car into the bay and just strip it down for repairs and they ran it I think they may have a case against garage 2.
As it stands I think the car will owe £38k+ by the time this is done.
Why do you feel for the OP? Stretch yourself to buy a RR Sport on finance but shriek when the inevitable big bill comes about. Doesn't even have the common sense to get some sort of extended warranty on it. Especially with the amount she has loaned! A quick look on Autotrader and a 2016 on similar mileage is worth 24k.I wonder if garage 1 told the OP whether it was driveable or not? Personally knowing a little bit about cars, driving with a suspected engine timing issue is high risk and could go badly wrong.
I suspect by the time it arrived at garage 2 it was probably too late to save the engine, the video mentioned by the OP of it running and sounding like a tractor were probably the engine on its last legs and running it for a compression test was the last gasp.
Unfortunately I think this falls into the 's
t happens' category and it was too late to save the engine. If the OP had told garage 2 not to run the engine, push the car into the bay and just strip it down for repairs and they ran it I think they may have a case against garage 2.As it stands I think the car will owe £38k+ by the time this is done.
Hopefully this will be a valuable life lesson for her to not live beyond her means because she is in negative equity on this one! Life is brutal I am afraid and she has just got to suck it up.
The next time you get in a hole I am sure you will appreciate someone ignoring the opportunity for a bit of sympathy and just sticking the boot straight in.
Roger Irrelevant said:
-Lummox- said:
I still think the OP would be better off speaking to her insurance and going down that route, than going on a potentially fruitless and ever more costly moral crusade based on assumptions that probably can't be proven to an infallible degree.
I may be in the midst of a massive brain fart here but surely her insurance isn't going to cover this?There's loads of ways of commiting insurance fraud though.
Roger Irrelevant said:
-Lummox- said:
I still think the OP would be better off speaking to her insurance and going down that route, than going on a potentially fruitless and ever more costly moral crusade based on assumptions that probably can't be proven to an infallible degree.
I may be in the midst of a massive brain fart here but surely her insurance isn't going to cover this?BricktopST205 said:
Why do you feel for the OP? Stretch yourself to buy a RR Sport on finance but shriek when the inevitable big bill comes about.
That is a logical fallacy. It doesn't matter how someone pays for a car, or how expensive it is, it is not an foregone conclusion that they should expect a catastrophic breakdown at any point.If you buy a large expensive house on a huge mortgage and you roof comes off in a storm, shall we blame you for not expecting that to happen?
shtu said:
However, I for one particualrly enjoyed that there was no mention of (female) gender whatsoever until OP played the 'you're all horrible misogynists' card. Equality is a funny old thing sometimes.
Just scanned back over the first couple of pages and it's almost the opposite, most posters assume it's a male, atleast one even refers to a "a man comes on here".It actually paints PH is a pretty good light IMO. There wasn't the slightest sexism or misogyny.
The OP is the only one who mentions it and insinuates we think she's dumb because she's a woman. And that seemingly stemmed from someone daring to correct her, correctly.
Gericho said:
BricktopST205 said:
Why do you feel for the OP? Stretch yourself to buy a RR Sport on finance but shriek when the inevitable big bill comes about.
That is a logical fallacy. It doesn't matter how someone pays for a car, or how expensive it is, it is not an foregone conclusion that they should expect a catastrophic breakdown at any point.If you buy a large expensive house on a huge mortgage and you roof comes off in a storm, shall we blame you for not expecting that to happen?
Roger Irrelevant said:
I may be in the midst of a massive brain fart here but surely her insurance isn't going to cover this?
Depends on what insurance the OP has, whilst most policies don't cover mechanical breakdowns, some can (possibly as an add-on cost) particularly if the breakdown in question essentially writes off the car. If the policy includes legal expenses cover, that may extend to getting assistance with any potential claim against the 2nd garage (assuming the insurer believes that this course of action has any hope of success). Must surely be worth a conversation with them before shelling out c. £10k on a new engine yourself and then spending £???? trying to pursue private legal action which has no guarantee of success.
But yeah, I suspect as others have said that the OP probably overstretched themselves buying the car on finance and is now looking for someone else to fund the repairs as not in a position to fund them herself. Hindsight being wonderful as it is, if the car was bought almost completely on finance and at a premium, it probably would have been a good idea to get an extended warranty on it - to avoid finding yourself in exactly a situation such as this. This is the motoring equivalent of being in negative equity on your mortgage.
Edited by -Lummox- on Friday 28th June 15:45
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