RE: 2021 ULEZ expansion | PH Explains

[CDP]

tihouss said:

What I want to read is an article about the best cargo bike/stupid impractical weekend car combo! Or, worst case scenario, the best eligible Kei cars for sale in the UK.

I started riding a bike to work because I couldn't stand either the horrible wear and tear inflicted on my Cortina's drivetrain by the daily grind, and didn't want to buy a whole car just for that silly purpose. It really is a win-win situation, rhe second (fun) car gets more use and the main boring car doesn't exist!

Just wondering where JDM cars would fit in. Guessing they are automatically guilty...

Not too much of an issue with me because I don't intended to drive in London.

[RichardDastardly]

D4rez said:

RichardDastardly said:

Nice. Another regressive tax which will have virtually no impact on the environment but will reduce freedom for financially struggling families.

Wrong. NOx emissions are dreadful, have a read on them. The link below shows the road transport decline in NOx since the 90s as progressively tougher Euro standards have come in:

https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/emissions...

We aren’t talking here about improving the minimum emissions standards in vehicles. We’re talking about a regressive tax to exclude people from driving in a particular region and bring in additional revenue.

[D4rez]

RichardDastardly said:

We aren’t talking here about improving the minimum emissions standards in vehicles. We’re talking about a regressive tax to exclude people from driving in a particular region and bring in additional revenue.

So you don’t think the ULEZ will move older more NOx producing cars out of the most densely populated part of the UK?

https://www.cleanairfund.org/publication/london-ul...

[Speedgirl]

It is principally about clean air which is great for everyone, unfortunately the mechanism is regressive as noone is smart enough to link it to ability to pay / need to travel. It will no doubt generate oodles of cash so a less regressive option would be for every Londoner in the zone to get a dividend from the profit from TfL makes each year. Can’t see that happening somehow unless it was put to the vote. Boris is turning the screw on the public sector too tightly.

[samoht]

CDP said:

Just wondering where JDM cars would fit in. Guessing they are automatically guilty...

JDM imports are eligible when newer than the enforcement date of the relevant standard. So for petrols, if first registered (in Japan) after 1 Jan 2006, diesels 1 Sep 2015. So you could e.g. drive this EVO IX https://www.pistonheads.com/buy/listing/12188251 within the zone without paying.

The only difference is that cars older than these dates are automatically ineligible, whereas their EU market counterparts may be ok if their original homologation figures come under the 80 mg/km limit for NOx.

[Pan Pan Pan]

Historically London always has been, still is, and is likely to continue being a dirty place.
I had to go there recently, and it was exactly the same as I remember, from when I used to live there, So this expansion of the London ULEZ zone is unlikely to affect me as I will try my utmost to avoid going there.
If I have to go anywhere in the zones now I will try to use public transport (and that in itself is a good reason not to go there) But If I can keep the number of my visits to the place, as low as absolutely possible that is what I will be aiming for.

[audikentman]

I'm glad its come in.
Both my sister and partner have asthma.
I live just outside the Zone but have to drive into SE14 for work, as I do permanent lates and no public transport to get me home at 1am I need transport and cycling 16 miles each way doesn't appeal.
This has forced me to get rid of my 2009 Subaru Forester Diesel and lease a Seat Mii Electric which I love. Free charging at work, no ULEZ, no Road Tax, no Mot. Whats not to like about cleaning up Londons air?
Partner has a 2017 MX5 ND doesn't drive into the ULEZ zone but could as it Euro 6 compliant.

[audikentman]

McRors said:

howardhughes said:

The bottom line is the Government hates motorists. It's a simple as that.

It’s not the government it’s the loony mayor, Sadiq Khan who’s responsible for this. He hates cars and has blocked off roads and caused mayhem in London. He’s an idiot.

It was actually bought in by the previous blond haired looney Mayor. Sadiq is just bringing in an already agreed policy.
Boris can't loose, claims all the credit if its a success, blames Sadiq if its a faliure.

Edited by audikentman on Sunday 24th October 17:51

[Schwarzi666]

CheesecakeRunner said:

Bottom line is London is a polluted hole and vehicles are the main reason for it.

It's not actually that easy first you have to see that on of the most polluted streets in the UK is Oxford Street which is mostly closed for regular traffic and the vehicles there are mainly busses and black cabs.
Then also road layout changes over the past 5 years or so, caused likely more jams and pollution.
For example when you drive on embankment direction big ben/ house of parliament you used to be able to turn left onto Westminster bridge, now you cannot. So if you need to go there you will have to drive all the way around parliament Square encountering an extra 6 or so traffic lights and well traffic.

[S600BSB]

audikentman said:

I'm glad its come in.
Both my sister and partner have asthma.
I live just outside the Zone but have to drive into SE14 for work, as I do permanent lates and no public transport to get me home at 1am I need transport and cycling 16 miles each way doesn't appeal.
This has forced me to get rid of my 2009 Subaru Forester Diesel and lease a Seat Mii Electric which I love. Free charging at work, no ULEZ, no Road Tax, no Mot. Whats not to like about cleaning up Londons air?
Partner has a 2017 MX5 ND doesn't drive into the ULEZ zone but could as it Euro 6 compliant.

Spot on.

[Nickbrapp]

Another reason to never visit the socialist hell hole of London

Is this the same as London where low paid people don’t need to pay to drive their non complaint cars in? Aka a tax on the ol jams?

[ZX10R NIN]

Schwarzi666 said:

CheesecakeRunner said:

Bottom line is London is a polluted hole and vehicles are the main reason for it.

It's not actually that easy first you have to see that on of the most polluted streets in the UK is Oxford Street which is mostly closed for regular traffic and the vehicles there are mainly busses and black cabs.
Then also road layout changes over the past 5 years or so, caused likely more jams and pollution.
For example when you drive on embankment direction big ben/ house of parliament you used to be able to turn left onto Westminster bridge, now you cannot. So if you need to go there you will have to drive all the way around parliament Square encountering an extra 6 or so traffic lights and well traffic.

Great point about the traffic management, the change of phasing on the traffic lights 20mph zones that every Manufacturer say is pretty much the most inefficient speed you could choose, covid closures/shutting off of cut through's etc in from (these have made a big difference to traffic volumes around London) the second lockdown onwards.

Volume wise actual traffic volumes are still down in comparison to before but actual congestion is worse.

[another 3 points]

I abandoned London two years ago even though my vx220 turbo was exempt. When that little hitler mayor finally gets the shove ( from a great height for him, say 3 feet ) would a Tory replacement scrap all this and melt down the cameras to make more electric charging points?

I really miss the noise and banter of a dawn raid PH Tunnel Run, and the late night frolicking of Halloween

[chucklebutty]

Lots of pre-Euro4 cars can still be exempt from ULEZ. I have a 1998 car that's below the NOx levels and after a bit of too and fro between TfL and the manufacturer I eventually got a pass. The TFL database even says so now.

This isn't the case with CAZ areas, they are strictly Euro 4. So my car is now more valuable in London than out?

[Dingu]

Speedgirl said:

It is principally about clean air which is great for everyone, unfortunately the mechanism is regressive as noone is smart enough to link it to ability to pay / need to travel. It will no doubt generate oodles of cash so a less regressive option would be for every Londoner in the zone to get a dividend from the profit from TfL makes each year. Can’t see that happening somehow unless it was put to the vote. Boris is turning the screw on the public sector too tightly.

Ahh yes, all that profit made by the not for profit TFL….

[DeolTheBeast]

WonkyPointing said:

how Has it come to this?

well played

[valiant]

Dingu said:

Ahh yes, all that profit made by the not for profit TFL….

Which are all invested back into the network.

[Barrie c 66]

chucklebutty said:

Lots of pre-Euro4 cars can still be exempt from ULEZ. I have a 1998 car that's below the NOx levels and after a bit of too and fro between TfL and the manufacturer I eventually got a pass. The TFL database even says so now.

This isn't the case with CAZ areas, they are strictly Euro 4. So my car is now more valuable in London than out?

That sounds great, how did you go about achieving it ?

[rootsandculture]

WonkyPointing said:

how Has it come to this?

Glad I wasn’t the only one

[sidesauce]

Nickbrapp said:

Another reason to never visit the socialist hell hole of London

Is this the same as London where low paid people don’t need to pay to drive their non complaint cars in? Aka a tax on the ol jams?

Oh don't worry, lots of major UK cities are going the exact same way - google CAZ and you'll see the entire country slowly but surely getting in on the fun... And let's remember, it's not like people outside of London are generally being paid more to be able to afford their non-compliant cars either!