Anybody won one of those car lotteries?
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Rev Comps listed a 911 tonight with 799 entries but took it down after selling tickets and relisted it at 7999.
Obviously it’s been a mistake but I can’t see anything in the terms and conditions that says they are allowed to do that, the closest I can see is:
5.5 In the event that the Revcomps.com closes a Competition early, the Winner will be selected from all valid and eligible entries received by Revcomps.com prior to the date of closure.
Obviously it’s been a mistake but I can’t see anything in the terms and conditions that says they are allowed to do that, the closest I can see is:
5.5 In the event that the Revcomps.com closes a Competition early, the Winner will be selected from all valid and eligible entries received by Revcomps.com prior to the date of closure.
Edited by G944S on Monday 27th May 21:24
Do these comp sites HAVE to publish the full names of the winners?
Had a few tickets for the Audi R8 on DCG last night and got the usual "The results are in: sorry, you have no winning tickets this time" email a couple of hours after the draw, but the email says the winner was "Hopeiwin".
Had a few tickets for the Audi R8 on DCG last night and got the usual "The results are in: sorry, you have no winning tickets this time" email a couple of hours after the draw, but the email says the winner was "Hopeiwin".
On DCG and 7Days you can change your Display Name to anything you want, which is why it's shown as that for those winners.
RevComps don't offer that option, it'll show your full name entered when you signed up and you have to email them to change it. That's why Rev shows the full name of the winner (in addition to where they're from).
RevComps don't offer that option, it'll show your full name entered when you signed up and you have to email them to change it. That's why Rev shows the full name of the winner (in addition to where they're from).
P1nja said:
They only just uploaded it and made a mistake in doing so, quickly rectified it and are offering free credit to those who had already entered.
I'm disappointed people expected them to give away a £60k+ 911 for less than £10k in tickets (799x£11.67).
I understand all that and won’t be complaining myself but do wonder how it would stand up to a legal challenge. I'm disappointed people expected them to give away a £60k+ 911 for less than £10k in tickets (799x£11.67).
One of the things that attracted me to Rev Comps was in the first few draws they made a mess of an M4 draw and ended up giving two away, great from a customer trust point of view and they’ve has thousands off me over the years because of that!
oobster said:
Do these comp sites HAVE to publish the full names of the winners?
Had a few tickets for the Audi R8 on DCG last night and got the usual "The results are in: sorry, you have no winning tickets this time" email a couple of hours after the draw, but the email says the winner was "Hopeiwin".
I will add that RevComps terms state:Had a few tickets for the Audi R8 on DCG last night and got the usual "The results are in: sorry, you have no winning tickets this time" email a couple of hours after the draw, but the email says the winner was "Hopeiwin".
"9.1 Acceptance of the prize by the Winner will mean they are required to have their photo and video taken by Revcomps.com for promotional purposes (Public Relations and Marketing), both immediately after their win and in the future for use in accordance with rule 6.2, unless prohibited by law.
9.2 By entering a Competition, you agree to the use of your name and/or photograph or other likeness to be used for marketing purposes as required by Revcomps.com if you are declared a Winner."
DCG states:
"2. If you are the Winner of a Competition, you agree that the Promoter may use your name, image and town or county of residence to announce the winner of the Competition. You further agree to participate in any reasonable publicity required by the Promoter.
3. If a Winner does not wish to participate in any publicity, it must notify the Promoter prior to the Closing Date. This will not affect your chances of winning the Prize. If you do not agree to participate in any publicity about the Competition we may still provide your details to the Advertising Standards Authority. This is a legal requirement that we must comply with to prove that the Competition has been properly administered and the Prize awarded."
7Days:
"7.6. The Promoter must either publish or make available information that indicates that a valid award took place. To comply with this obligation the Promoter will publish the full name of major prize winners on the Website/App unless you object in accordance with paragraph 7.7 below.
7.7. If you object to any or all of your full name and winning entry being published or made available, please contact the Promoter at hello@7daysperformance.co.uk prior to the Closing Date. In such circumstances, the Promoter must still provide this information to the Advertising Standards Authority on request."
So it looks like Rev doesn't give you the option at all to opt out of having your name published. Before the whole FG debacle, you were able to have your name displayed as whatever. I suppose this would be changed to your real name for any promotional events they required.
G944S said:
I understand all that and won’t be complaining myself but do wonder how it would stand up to a legal challenge.
One of the things that attracted me to Rev Comps was in the first few draws they made a mess of an M4 draw and ended up giving two away, great from a customer trust point of view and they’ve has thousands off me over the years because of that!
"15. Refunds/Return Policy One of the things that attracted me to Rev Comps was in the first few draws they made a mess of an M4 draw and ended up giving two away, great from a customer trust point of view and they’ve has thousands off me over the years because of that!
All Entries to the Competition are final and no refunds shall be made at any time or for any reason, except in the case of entries submitted after the Closing Date or if the Promoter cancels the competition."
I guess their defence, if someone wanted to challenge it legally, would be they've effectively cancelled the competition for 799 entries and started a new one with 7999. I haven't entered for the 911, very few had when the mistake was live, so I wonder if entrants will be contacted and given the option for refund or a new entry with both options offering free credit as an apology. They do seem to be stand up guys in the comp world.
P1nja said:
"15. Refunds/Return Policy
All Entries to the Competition are final and no refunds shall be made at any time or for any reason, except in the case of entries submitted after the Closing Date or if the Promoter cancels the competition."
I guess their defence, if someone wanted to challenge it legally, would be they've effectively cancelled the competition for 799 entries and started a new one with 7999. I haven't entered for the 911, very few had when the mistake was live, so I wonder if entrants will be contacted and given the option for refund or a new entry with both options offering free credit as an apology. They do seem to be stand up guys in the comp world.
No options given, refunds were processed while the draw was on with a message at the bottom:All Entries to the Competition are final and no refunds shall be made at any time or for any reason, except in the case of entries submitted after the Closing Date or if the Promoter cancels the competition."
I guess their defence, if someone wanted to challenge it legally, would be they've effectively cancelled the competition for 799 entries and started a new one with 7999. I haven't entered for the 911, very few had when the mistake was live, so I wonder if entrants will be contacted and given the option for refund or a new entry with both options offering free credit as an apology. They do seem to be stand up guys in the comp world.
“We’re really sorry, when we published the Porsche draw, there was a mistake in the number of tickets in the draw. Because of this the draw has been invalidated and removed and relisted at the correct odds, you have been refunded and an additional £20 will be credited in your wallet in the next 24 hours.“
P1nja said:
Well, entrants have the option to enter again now as well as being able to get (nearly) 2 more entries for free if they so choose.
Seeing that you've edited your initial comment on the matter, are you no longer disappointed?
Of course I’m disappointed, who doesn’t want a great chance to win a low odds 911.Seeing that you've edited your initial comment on the matter, are you no longer disappointed?
So, I bought a few tickets for the LLF stage 3 M3 and as usual the live draw plugs this n that, promotions etc. which I guess is all part of it.
I was following the entry lists and matching the numbers and everything seemed above board then the first number that was generated, from ~170,000 ticket sales wasn’t sold. There was a gap in the sequence where for example googles random number generator landed on 100,002 bit that number wasn’t sold. They did sel 100,001 and 100,103 so a redraw it was.
The number hit and a person named Luis has apparently won the car. On attempting to call luis though there was no response, straight to voicemail and not WhatsApp account to call them that way.
I can’t see how this is rigged when you factor in the random number generator and there are gaps in the ticket number sequences. I can only assume that someone starts an order then a ticket number is reserved in the database but then the buyer doesn’t complete the sale or increases / decreases the amount of tickets bought, therefor breaking the sequence. From the data there are multiple identical names within short ticket sequences so I know that one ticket is represented by a unique number but feels like a bit of a sham. But of course I didn’t win so I’m biased.
Additionally, and I know this doesn’t mean too much to prove a companies legitimacy but companies hous records for LLF Games ltd doesn’t show a great deal in terms of asset, cash in the bank, etc. how do they manage the profits? They are obviously buying the cars from someone so that will be a capital outlay so let’s assume they paid £100k for the M3 on sale or return, or whatever. 170k tickets at a quid each would show £70k profit on the car alone.? I’m not by any means an accountant not understand p&l very well but I would have thought that the accounts would show some heft?
I know people win, I have a close friend who won and RS3 and £20k from one of them recently but I’ve no idea how much he put into it, if that even matters….
The cynic in me says that those who only buy a small number of tickets are allocated a low range ticket number and high rollers are at the other end and somehow they are getting Google to always land in the higher range ticket numbers but that shouldn’t matter. They still make the money on total ticket sales, not number of tickets bought by a single person…
Sigh….
I was following the entry lists and matching the numbers and everything seemed above board then the first number that was generated, from ~170,000 ticket sales wasn’t sold. There was a gap in the sequence where for example googles random number generator landed on 100,002 bit that number wasn’t sold. They did sel 100,001 and 100,103 so a redraw it was.
The number hit and a person named Luis has apparently won the car. On attempting to call luis though there was no response, straight to voicemail and not WhatsApp account to call them that way.
I can’t see how this is rigged when you factor in the random number generator and there are gaps in the ticket number sequences. I can only assume that someone starts an order then a ticket number is reserved in the database but then the buyer doesn’t complete the sale or increases / decreases the amount of tickets bought, therefor breaking the sequence. From the data there are multiple identical names within short ticket sequences so I know that one ticket is represented by a unique number but feels like a bit of a sham. But of course I didn’t win so I’m biased.
Additionally, and I know this doesn’t mean too much to prove a companies legitimacy but companies hous records for LLF Games ltd doesn’t show a great deal in terms of asset, cash in the bank, etc. how do they manage the profits? They are obviously buying the cars from someone so that will be a capital outlay so let’s assume they paid £100k for the M3 on sale or return, or whatever. 170k tickets at a quid each would show £70k profit on the car alone.? I’m not by any means an accountant not understand p&l very well but I would have thought that the accounts would show some heft?
I know people win, I have a close friend who won and RS3 and £20k from one of them recently but I’ve no idea how much he put into it, if that even matters….
The cynic in me says that those who only buy a small number of tickets are allocated a low range ticket number and high rollers are at the other end and somehow they are getting Google to always land in the higher range ticket numbers but that shouldn’t matter. They still make the money on total ticket sales, not number of tickets bought by a single person…
Sigh….
Aside from the disappointment of a gambler in not winning (despite seemingly intelligent people surely appreciating the odds they face!), I can’t understand why so many conspiracy theories pop up on this thread. From talk of not processing the cheap I’ll send a postcode crew, to missing tickets, allocated winners, winners from other websites etc etc.
You only need to look at the published accounts to realise the profit these lottery sites are making. Who in their right mind would need to fiddle the competitions or jeopardise the magic money tree by engaging in some fraud/fix?!
You only need to look at the published accounts to realise the profit these lottery sites are making. Who in their right mind would need to fiddle the competitions or jeopardise the magic money tree by engaging in some fraud/fix?!
Shnozz said:
Aside from the disappointment of a gambler in not winning (despite seemingly intelligent people surely appreciating the odds they face!), I can’t understand why so many conspiracy theories pop up on this thread. From talk of not processing the cheap I’ll send a postcode crew, to missing tickets, allocated winners, winners from other websites etc etc.
You only need to look at the published accounts to realise the profit these lottery sites are making. Who in their right mind would need to fiddle the competitions or jeopardise the magic money tree by engaging in some fraud/fix?!
They absolutely don't process all of the postals they receive. Elite used to be the worst offenders. Not really a conspiracy theory when you have signed for, proof of delivery and no entry. You only need to look at the published accounts to realise the profit these lottery sites are making. Who in their right mind would need to fiddle the competitions or jeopardise the magic money tree by engaging in some fraud/fix?!
They stretch the rules/law around lotteries well past breaking point. I agree that they're probably not 'cheating', but there's no oversight or auditing at all, unlike regulated gambling sites, so they could and you'd never know.
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