RE: Electrified son-of-Elise now testing on road
Discussion
And172940 said:
I did indeed read the article and it doesn’t state that it went through 4000 charge cycles at 350kw does it? You have assumed that just like they want you to.
No need for the vitriolic reply really was there?
Yikes, if you thought that reply was vitriolic then I don’t really know what to say. Last time I checked that means ‘bitterly harsh or caustic language or criticism’, which wasn’t really what I was going for.No need for the vitriolic reply really was there?
Anyway, they might well have charged it slowly, but the data ( source) doesn’t really support that fast charging degrades a battery any meaningful amount more than slow. A surprising result and one that might change in future with more data points, but currrently there’s no real world evidence to back up the claim that fast charging is going to ruin the cars battery.
unsprung said:
This technology needs to be pitched to major OEMs as soon as possible.
Transportation infrastructure needs lighter, if not light, vehicles. And consumers need the convenience of fast charging.
Nyobolt EV could put together a working group to identify the most efficient pathways to scale this technology via OEM licensing and other partnerships.
It's not just an opportunity for Nyobolt EV but for Blighty as a whole. Investment, STEM jobs, and the knock on effect among related companies.
I understand Nyobolt is a technology company developing fast charging batteries. That is their core business.Transportation infrastructure needs lighter, if not light, vehicles. And consumers need the convenience of fast charging.
Nyobolt EV could put together a working group to identify the most efficient pathways to scale this technology via OEM licensing and other partnerships.
It's not just an opportunity for Nyobolt EV but for Blighty as a whole. Investment, STEM jobs, and the knock on effect among related companies.
The modified Elise is test mule.
leglessAlex said:
And172940 said:
I did indeed read the article and it doesn’t state that it went through 4000 charge cycles at 350kw does it? You have assumed that just like they want you to.
No need for the vitriolic reply really was there?
Yikes, if you thought that reply was vitriolic then I don’t really know what to say. Last time I checked that means ‘bitterly harsh or caustic language or criticism’, which wasn’t really what I was going for.No need for the vitriolic reply really was there?
Anyway, they might well have charged it slowly, but the data ( source) doesn’t really support that fast charging degrades a battery any meaningful amount more than slow. A surprising result and one that might change in future with more data points, but currrently there’s no real world evidence to back up the claim that fast charging is going to ruin the cars battery.
"Nyobolt’s technology also solves the levels of degradation that typically come with supercharging lithium-ion batteries. Nyobolt’s 24.5Ah cells have already successfully completed over 4,000 full DoD (Depth of Discharge) fast charge cycles, equating to over 600,000 miles if used in the Nyobolt EV pack, while still retaining over 80 per cent battery capacity. This is many multiples higher than the warranties of much larger EV batteries on the road today."
Looks pretty clear to me.
And172940 said:
I’m not anti-EV at all, but what never seems to get mentioned with these super fast charging claims is that fast DC charging degrades the battery quickly and costs the Earth. My nearest 150kw charging station is 90p per kw, as opposed to 7.5p overnight at home. With current tech and costs, fast charging is for occasional use not the much touted ‘pop into a garage and charge up whilst you drink a coffee’ every other day.
Their website.https://nyobolt.com
They are stating they have developed a battery technology which does not degrade with fast charging.
VladD said:
Nik Gnashers said:
What's not to like ?
Sound (or lack of it).
Gear changes - driver involvement is a huge part of the attraction, in a car like this.
Still, lovely looking thing, no doubt it will be fast, and handle very well too.
I'm sure it will be a bit hit with the social media types. I won't notice that though as I've just had an experimental combination COVID/influencer vaccine.Sound (or lack of it).
Gear changes - driver involvement is a huge part of the attraction, in a car like this.
Still, lovely looking thing, no doubt it will be fast, and handle very well too.
endorium said:
A very clever approach to EV. It makes a lot of sense for certain types of vehicle. Obviously at home the charging would be very slow (7kwh?), but if you have access to fast chargers, more cars should go this direction.
I realise, most dont have access to fast charging yet
Imagine someone claiming that charging rates are quoted in kWh! I realise, most dont have access to fast charging yet
Then they double down by suggesting most people don't have access to fast chargers, when in reality, fast charging is just 7 kW!
It's like admitting you know most folks don't have access to petrol stations!
You could have just said "I have no clue about EVs"
InitialDave said:
Company builds EV sports car based on Elise?
This sounds awfully familiar!
I once had a passenger ride in a real Lotus Elise mk2 which they ( a Dutch compagnie) used to build up as a EV car, with a manual and all :-)This sounds awfully familiar!
It was fast and drove fantastic, I remember the Dutch Lotus dealer took me out in it through the woods over a curvy road there, we went pretty fast with the roof off, it was nice weather.
Also I could hear the birds and the wind and so on, it was a great expirerende :-) and the funny thing was, even when we drove fast and people walk there just looked but no one say hey go slower... what some do when you drive fast with a lot of sound :-) that was fun/strange. So a EV Elise with manual. Long time ago already.
Saw one for sale a few years or so ago, it also was not that heavy.
ah, it was the Elise ECE and way lighter! just 795 kilo made in Lochem NL were the Lotus dealer (he was also Co director then) at the time also was, see article from 2008...
>>The Elise-ece manages to reach 100 in less than 4.7 seconds. The top speed is 215 km/h and the car weighs 795 kilos. The Golf-ece does the zero to one hundred in about 9 seconds, but has a top speed of only 145 km/h. The Golf has a 75 kW electric motor, while the Elise has 150 kW on board. Other models from other brands can also be converted.<<
more>
https://www.autoweek.nl/autonieuws/artikel/elektro...
ah here another article about those Lotus Elise ECE cars. from 2009
https://topgear.nl/autotest/lotus-elise-ece-test-d...
https://topgear.nl/autotest/lotus-elise-ece-test-d...
leglessAlex said:
And172940 said:
I did indeed read the article and it doesn’t state that it went through 4000 charge cycles at 350kw does it? You have assumed that just like they want you to.
No need for the vitriolic reply really was there?
Yikes, if you thought that reply was vitriolic then I don’t really know what to say. Last time I checked that means ‘bitterly harsh or caustic language or criticism’, which wasn’t really what I was going for.No need for the vitriolic reply really was there?
Anyway, they might well have charged it slowly, but the data ( source) doesn’t really support that fast charging degrades a battery any meaningful amount more than slow. A surprising result and one that might change in future with more data points, but currrently there’s no real world evidence to back up the claim that fast charging is going to ruin the cars battery.
This is why PH has a few members with thousands of posts and thousands of lurkers.
I would like to admit that my wife has an Audi e-tron and I think it's a fantastic car but I'd be shot down by the few for liking a non ICE car, despite being a petrolhead.
Opinion as a long term Elise owner.
In my opinion, Elises don’t make a great noise. Sorry, I know K series owners often disagree, but they don’t, even those. My Toyota engined car, with induction and exhaust changes and a supercharger, makes a better noise than it did out of the factory, but it’s still not great. That four pot is there because it makes power and doesn’t weigh much, not because it needs a car around it to showcase its greatness.
I like manual gearboxes in sports cars. I just enjoy using them. The Elise shift isn’t great. Not in mine, not in K series cars I’ve driven. Mine is better than it was out of the factory, it’s still nothing like a Civic Type-R or an MX-5. I still like having it, still prefer it to the now ubiquitous paddle shifts, but it’s not a highlight.
I like lightness, and in particular I like the fact that it enables unassisted steering. There is a big difference between sub-900kg and 1250kg, but we’re still in the territory of the V6 Exige, which manages without PAS. I haven’t driven one, so I don’t know how badly it suffers from the extra mass, but I wouldn’t rule one out.
I don’t care about range. I use my Elise like a jetski, not a yacht.
I don’t care about fuel costs, I don’t do enough miles.
Would I buy one of these? Probably not while I can still drive my Elise. If I couldn’t, probably, yes. Probably in preference to the petrol powered alternatives currently available.
In my opinion, Elises don’t make a great noise. Sorry, I know K series owners often disagree, but they don’t, even those. My Toyota engined car, with induction and exhaust changes and a supercharger, makes a better noise than it did out of the factory, but it’s still not great. That four pot is there because it makes power and doesn’t weigh much, not because it needs a car around it to showcase its greatness.
I like manual gearboxes in sports cars. I just enjoy using them. The Elise shift isn’t great. Not in mine, not in K series cars I’ve driven. Mine is better than it was out of the factory, it’s still nothing like a Civic Type-R or an MX-5. I still like having it, still prefer it to the now ubiquitous paddle shifts, but it’s not a highlight.
I like lightness, and in particular I like the fact that it enables unassisted steering. There is a big difference between sub-900kg and 1250kg, but we’re still in the territory of the V6 Exige, which manages without PAS. I haven’t driven one, so I don’t know how badly it suffers from the extra mass, but I wouldn’t rule one out.
I don’t care about range. I use my Elise like a jetski, not a yacht.
I don’t care about fuel costs, I don’t do enough miles.
Would I buy one of these? Probably not while I can still drive my Elise. If I couldn’t, probably, yes. Probably in preference to the petrol powered alternatives currently available.
155 claimed miles, actually means about 90 to 100 miles in the real world, which means a track day would be over very quickly, unless the track has an EV charger, but is electricity the answer to sports cars?
Acceleration figurs are the only major usp with electric sports cars.
its the sounds, smells and feel made by the petrol Engine that deliver 50 to 60% of the experience of driving, which electricity can never replace.
If I use my old C63 as a reference, I have driven a C220D of the same years, which felt almost the same to drive as the C63, but Add 4 more cylinders to the mix, and the C63 is then a much more exciting unique experience, solely because of 6.2V8, which dominated the driving experience.
If you took the V8 out of the C63 and put Tesla hardware into a C63, yes it would be much faster but would it be better!
The answer is No, as there would be more weight, worse handling, worse stopping, but most importantly, there would be no V8 petrol engine making the experience.
The same could be said for an Audi R8 V10, or 911, would an electric version be better, even though the petrol version would be slower!
Acceleration figurs are the only major usp with electric sports cars.
its the sounds, smells and feel made by the petrol Engine that deliver 50 to 60% of the experience of driving, which electricity can never replace.
If I use my old C63 as a reference, I have driven a C220D of the same years, which felt almost the same to drive as the C63, but Add 4 more cylinders to the mix, and the C63 is then a much more exciting unique experience, solely because of 6.2V8, which dominated the driving experience.
If you took the V8 out of the C63 and put Tesla hardware into a C63, yes it would be much faster but would it be better!
The answer is No, as there would be more weight, worse handling, worse stopping, but most importantly, there would be no V8 petrol engine making the experience.
The same could be said for an Audi R8 V10, or 911, would an electric version be better, even though the petrol version would be slower!
VR6 Eug said:
155 claimed miles, actually means about 90 to 100 miles in the real world, which means a track day would be over very quickly, unless the track has an EV charger, but is electricity the answer to sports cars?
Acceleration figurs are the only major usp with electric sports cars.
its the sounds, smells and feel made by the petrol Engine that deliver 50 to 60% of the experience of driving, which electricity can never replace.
If I use my old C63 as a reference, I have driven a C220D of the same years, which felt almost the same to drive as the C63, but Add 4 more cylinders to the mix, and the C63 is then a much more exciting unique experience, solely because of 6.2V8, which dominated the driving experience.
If you took the V8 out of the C63 and put Tesla hardware into a C63, yes it would be much faster but would it be better!
The answer is No, as there would be more weight, worse handling, worse stopping, but most importantly, there would be no V8 petrol engine making the experience.
The same could be said for an Audi R8 V10, or 911, would an electric version be better, even though the petrol version would be slower!
There have been independent tests undertaken which compare WLTP mileage from real world usage. The results come out at a range from 82 -94% so considerably above your assertion. Of course on track any ehicles consumption will be very much greater. I used to be single figure mpg in my S1 Exige. I understand there are chargers at some tracks. Acceleration figurs are the only major usp with electric sports cars.
its the sounds, smells and feel made by the petrol Engine that deliver 50 to 60% of the experience of driving, which electricity can never replace.
If I use my old C63 as a reference, I have driven a C220D of the same years, which felt almost the same to drive as the C63, but Add 4 more cylinders to the mix, and the C63 is then a much more exciting unique experience, solely because of 6.2V8, which dominated the driving experience.
If you took the V8 out of the C63 and put Tesla hardware into a C63, yes it would be much faster but would it be better!
The answer is No, as there would be more weight, worse handling, worse stopping, but most importantly, there would be no V8 petrol engine making the experience.
The same could be said for an Audi R8 V10, or 911, would an electric version be better, even though the petrol version would be slower!
When it comes to a sports car. The MX5 swells in great numbers but the engine makes no attractive sound. Other sports cars now have synthetic sound. So it’s all a bit phony
I don’t have a clue how many sports cars exist in the U.K. but I do know that some people just want a drop top to enjoy in the summer. They are not the hardened enthusiasts or ever visit tracks but they do buy cars in their thousands.
This car is not intended for mass market sale much as the original Elise was. The company concerned is a technology company developing a fast charging battery technology not a car manufacturer.
Fetchez la vache said:
Andy83n said:
Panamax said:
According to Companies House the company Nyobolt Ltd has a total share capital of £1.27 (one pound 27p).
Which means absolutely nothing VR6 Eug said:
155 claimed miles, actually means about 90 to 100 miles in the real world, which means a track day would be over very quickly, unless the track has an EV charger, but is electricity the answer to sports cars?
Acceleration figurs are the only major usp with electric sports cars.
its the sounds, smells and feel made by the petrol Engine that deliver 50 to 60% of the experience of driving, which electricity can never replace.
If I use my old C63 as a reference, I have driven a C220D of the same years, which felt almost the same to drive as the C63, but Add 4 more cylinders to the mix, and the C63 is then a much more exciting unique experience, solely because of 6.2V8, which dominated the driving experience.
If you took the V8 out of the C63 and put Tesla hardware into a C63, yes it would be much faster but would it be better!
The answer is No, as there would be more weight, worse handling, worse stopping, but most importantly, there would be no V8 petrol engine making the experience.
The same could be said for an Audi R8 V10, or 911, would an electric version be better, even though the petrol version would be slower!
The thing is, there are quite a lot of people who either don’t care a jot about the smell and sound of petrol engines, or who do, but see equal if different attractions in EV performance cars.Acceleration figurs are the only major usp with electric sports cars.
its the sounds, smells and feel made by the petrol Engine that deliver 50 to 60% of the experience of driving, which electricity can never replace.
If I use my old C63 as a reference, I have driven a C220D of the same years, which felt almost the same to drive as the C63, but Add 4 more cylinders to the mix, and the C63 is then a much more exciting unique experience, solely because of 6.2V8, which dominated the driving experience.
If you took the V8 out of the C63 and put Tesla hardware into a C63, yes it would be much faster but would it be better!
The answer is No, as there would be more weight, worse handling, worse stopping, but most importantly, there would be no V8 petrol engine making the experience.
The same could be said for an Audi R8 V10, or 911, would an electric version be better, even though the petrol version would be slower!
The lauding of ICE as the only way to enjoy motoring is very much a time limited thing I suspect.
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