RE: Latest VW Golf R introduced with 333hp
Discussion
EV8 said:
EC2 said:
redroadster said:
As an every dayall weather car it does it all fast family fun ,the 7th version fans need to get over it .
I think that there is a much wider issue here than which version of Golf R you have. On a whole range of variables cars have got worse over the last few years. Combined with tighter financial times and the uncertainty around the move to electric then a lot of people are keeping their cars longer. I have a 7.5 R wagon without a GPF, without a huge stuck on central screen, without lane assist and in a colour I like from the much wider range they used to offer. Why should I change for an inferior car in my eyes?I think VW should have done a bit more in order to interest current R owners to switch. Amazing to drive but there is no way our Mk8 R has only 320bhp. I had a Mk 7 CS S and my Mk8 R different level fast on open road and or circuit. Must be circa 340-350bhp out the box in my view seat of the pants estimate so 333hp and a different infotainment with optional 19 inch BBS look wheels simply not enough to justify the switch IMO. The dashboard rattle and rear diff hum at 50mph in my Mk8 R from new are enough to make me consider switching though!
The 8 and 8.5R chassis can easily handle 400bhp. Come on VW please give customers what we all really want
The 8 and 8.5R chassis can easily handle 400bhp. Come on VW please give customers what we all really want
1974foggy said:
EV8 said:
EC2 said:
redroadster said:
As an every dayall weather car it does it all fast family fun ,the 7th version fans need to get over it .
I think that there is a much wider issue here than which version of Golf R you have. On a whole range of variables cars have got worse over the last few years. Combined with tighter financial times and the uncertainty around the move to electric then a lot of people are keeping their cars longer. I have a 7.5 R wagon without a GPF, without a huge stuck on central screen, without lane assist and in a colour I like from the much wider range they used to offer. Why should I change for an inferior car in my eyes?Funk said:
Having had a Mk7.5 for a few years, nothing they do to the Mk8 or 8.5 will make me want one. Even if they sort out that awful enormous touchscreen and finally revert to putting buttons in for essential controls, I don't think I could live with all the nannying controls all new cars have to have.
I'd save £25k and buy a tidy 7.5 again - 90% of the experience for 50% of the money, plus it looks better too my eyes too.
I'd save £25k and buy a tidy 7.5 again - 90% of the experience for 50% of the money, plus it looks better too my eyes too.
Edited by Funk on Wednesday 26th June 23:55
Agree totally - I am sticking with my 2019 R wagon - as some one who used to have a Formentor that used the same infotainment screen - I wouldn’t go back until VW group have sorted it completely for usability
IMI A said:
We run both 7 and 8. If we had to sell one it would be the Mk8 no question. The chap with the mk 7.5 without GPF spot on.
I've owned both Mk7.5 and Mk8 fast Golfs, and I much prefer the Mk8. Lots of incremental improvements but with the small drawback of no air con rotary controls.kerraddoo said:
Okay but would be better had they kept the V6. Just reminds me how I wish I had kept my mk5 R32.
it never had a v6, it was a VR6, and that was gone ages ago. it sounded good but wasnt an especially great performance engine, poor power: weight and poor high rev chracteristics, owing to long stroke design ( all packaging issues)Olivera said:
IMI A said:
We run both 7 and 8. If we had to sell one it would be the Mk8 no question. The chap with the mk 7.5 without GPF spot on.
I've owned both Mk7.5 and Mk8 fast Golfs, and I much prefer the Mk8. Lots of incremental improvements but with the small drawback of no air con rotary controls.The rest? Well VW changes to the 8.5 are acknowledgement that they got quite a bit wrong on the interior. Non consequential as you do get used to the new mk8 interior as you use it then as you say users even like it as the 7 is ancient even with apple car play. Design is subjective and personally I find the Mk 7 Golf a beautiful design. The Mk 7 GTI CS S we owned I think is one of the best looking and coolest cars we've ever owned. Very cool looking thing.
8.5 R does look good on these new wheels. We buy these super sports hatches to drive though so I can forgive the dash rattle and hum from rear diff which sounds almost like when your car is at 100k miles and rear wheel bearings on the way out. Got my first speed ticket yesterday. £130 out here for 8kph above limit
g7jhp said:
Technology dates a car quickly and causes hassle when it starts to go wrong.
The sweat spot for Golf R was a manual Mk7 with buttons, analogue dash, 3
pedals and no giant touchscreen.
When they stop selling petrol cars in the 2030's these will be the pick.
Unless of course this one turns out to be superb ?The sweat spot for Golf R was a manual Mk7 with buttons, analogue dash, 3
pedals and no giant touchscreen.
When they stop selling petrol cars in the 2030's these will be the pick.
kerraddoo said:
Okay but would be better had they kept the V6. Just reminds me how I wish I had kept my mk5 R32.
Trouble is, the only thing the VR6 engine had going for it was the sublime noise. The turbo 4-pot just develops way more power and is so much lighter too. I do miss the engine sound of my old Corrado VR6, so I do sympathise. It has so much character.
akashzimzimma said:
kerraddoo said:
Okay but would be better had they kept the V6. Just reminds me how I wish I had kept my mk5 R32.
it never had a v6, it was a VR6, and that was gone ages ago. it sounded good but wasnt an especially great performance engine, poor power: weight and poor high rev chracteristics, owing to long stroke design ( all packaging issues)Edited by Clockwork Cupcake on Thursday 27th June 16:50
fantheman80 said:
loop swing said:
I think it's a decent looking thing but does it really need the aural frippery?
Pop and bang maps are still popular with the yoof, was a key reason why the I30n was popular, so VW seem to be doubling down when their sisters at Audi, Porsche and the rest of the world are getting more quiet. How the yoof can afford a 50k motor is another question but I say fair play to them, I don't mind a little gargle and it will hardly be the artillery fire of mandems decatted airtec'd Mk2 Focus ST
g7jhp said:
Technology dates a car quickly and causes hassle when it starts to go wrong.
The sweat spot for Golf R was a manual Mk7 with buttons, analogue dash, 3
pedals and no giant touchscreen.
When they stop selling petrol cars in the 2030's these will be the pick.
Totally hear you, but don't the manuals have chocolate clutches? Ignoring that, completely agree though seeing as manuals are effectively dead in the water with new cars. The sweat spot for Golf R was a manual Mk7 with buttons, analogue dash, 3
pedals and no giant touchscreen.
When they stop selling petrol cars in the 2030's these will be the pick.
[quote=Clockwork Cupcake]
The engine in the R32 was a 32-valve VR6. It's just that for some bizarre reason VW decided to just call it a V6 even though it was still a VR6
I know, it was a VR6, thats what i mentioned above. A staggered cylinder arrangement with a single cylinder head. Sounded good, not much else great about it.
However it was 24 valves not 32. Its not really possible for a 6 cylinder engine to have 32 valves of course.
The engine in the R32 was a 32-valve VR6. It's just that for some bizarre reason VW decided to just call it a V6 even though it was still a VR6
I know, it was a VR6, thats what i mentioned above. A staggered cylinder arrangement with a single cylinder head. Sounded good, not much else great about it.
However it was 24 valves not 32. Its not really possible for a 6 cylinder engine to have 32 valves of course.
akashzimzimma said:
I know, it was a VR6, thats what i mentioned above. A staggered cylinder arrangement with a single cylinder head. Sounded good, not much else great about it.
However it was 24 valves not 32. Its not really possible for a 6 cylinder engine to have 32 valves of course.
It was a typo; I obviously meant 24 valves because 32 isn't integer divisible by 6. The 32 comes from it being bored out to 3.2L rather than the 2.8L of the 12v (or 2.9L in the case of the European spec Corrado VR6)However it was 24 valves not 32. Its not really possible for a 6 cylinder engine to have 32 valves of course.
Yes, I see that it was kerraddoo who said V6, not you, and you were correcting them. So, sorry about that.
I know that the V-Reihenmotor 6 is a staggered cylinder arrangement with a single cylinder head; I actually contributed to the Wikipedia page for it, back in the day!
Incidentally, there's a great vid by d4a that goes into the various 6 cylinder configurations, including the VR6. It's worth a watch.
https://youtu.be/mTS48jX68YU
Edited by Clockwork Cupcake on Friday 28th June 07:43
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