RE: 2024 Polestar 4 | PH Review
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SDK said:
bigyoungdave said:
Not all dynamic issues can be solved by software updates, particularly when it comes to ride and handling
The dampers are electronically adjustable and have continuously controlled active ride control. So these will be adjustable via software.The option Performance Pack add's 'Performance tuned chassis tweaks', so likely this will add further improvements
I liked it when Polestar had a clear image/aesthetic - like their sister badge Volvo.
Now they're messing with it. Leaning more into what everyone else is doing. Where nearly all other brands homogenise and Volvo stood apart... they're joining the lazy party...
Still some very unique USP bits here and there, but overall, they've slipped back a step for me.
Now they're messing with it. Leaning more into what everyone else is doing. Where nearly all other brands homogenise and Volvo stood apart... they're joining the lazy party...
Still some very unique USP bits here and there, but overall, they've slipped back a step for me.
Considering one of these to replace my tesla y (can't get the new one due to indicator-gate)
Sounds like I'd best wait to see if they manage to make it drive properly though judging from this review. The ride in the coil sprung tesla is hard and crashy around town, but ok at speed. I was hoping the air sprung polestar would be an improvement.
Sounds like I'd best wait to see if they manage to make it drive properly though judging from this review. The ride in the coil sprung tesla is hard and crashy around town, but ok at speed. I was hoping the air sprung polestar would be an improvement.
That's one of the most damning reviews I've read in a long time. The rear window loss is silly to me. I look out of the rear window when I am parked and the kids too generally. I already have a car with a rear camera feeding the rear view 'mirror' screen (on a Leaf) and it gets dirty quite quickly in bad weather. Fortunately it sits behind the rear window and gets cleaned with the rear wiper.
Not sure I really 'get' what this (and dozens of other) massive, heavy, EV, performance SUV's are about.
When somebody criticises the handling, the EV lovers respond with comments like 'well it's not designed to be an elise, it's a family car' (or something similar).
Well if that is the case, why does it need 544bhp ?
A family car should be designed to be efficient, and surely a lower power output but a lot more range would be better for a family car ?
If traffic light racing is all PH cares about nowadays, or at least the people who frequent it's forums and defend these types of vehicle, then it's a bit sad.
I make no secret I don't like large SUV's, and when it comes to EV's I like them even less, but if I am going to be forced into one at some stage, then I will need to find something that fits my personal preferences, and so far nothing on sale does that.
Even the smaller hot EV's look absolutely ghastly to my eyes.
I think the issue is, they all look similar, and if you don't like one then you are not going to like any.
Where are the EV's without a huge ipad stuck to the dash, and styled to appeal to people like me who don't want a fridge on wheels with a load of fake tat stuck to it ?
When somebody criticises the handling, the EV lovers respond with comments like 'well it's not designed to be an elise, it's a family car' (or something similar).
Well if that is the case, why does it need 544bhp ?
A family car should be designed to be efficient, and surely a lower power output but a lot more range would be better for a family car ?
If traffic light racing is all PH cares about nowadays, or at least the people who frequent it's forums and defend these types of vehicle, then it's a bit sad.
I make no secret I don't like large SUV's, and when it comes to EV's I like them even less, but if I am going to be forced into one at some stage, then I will need to find something that fits my personal preferences, and so far nothing on sale does that.
Even the smaller hot EV's look absolutely ghastly to my eyes.
I think the issue is, they all look similar, and if you don't like one then you are not going to like any.
Where are the EV's without a huge ipad stuck to the dash, and styled to appeal to people like me who don't want a fridge on wheels with a load of fake tat stuck to it ?
Nik Gnashers said:
Well if that is the case, why does it need 544bhp ?
A family car should be designed to be efficient, and surely a lower power output but a lot more range would be better for a family car ?
As per my previous post, the dual motor version suffers a 5% drop in range for the same battery capacity.A family car should be designed to be efficient, and surely a lower power output but a lot more range would be better for a family car ?
Power drops from 544 bhp to 272 bhp for the single motor spec.
Are you sure you are not making a fuss over nothing?
Lots of talk regarding the lack of rear window, but for me the smaller detail that's equally as gash are the stickers behind the front wheel arches telling you what it is.
Saw one on a Polestar 2 and thought it had been left on by the factory in error, until I discovered they all have them. Looks utterly crap. If I had a Polestar, that sticker would duly be peeled off and aimed at the nearest wheelie bin.
Look forward to seeing these (and the Polestar 3) in the flesh, although I must admit to finding the Polestar 2 a bit bland nowadays.
Saw one on a Polestar 2 and thought it had been left on by the factory in error, until I discovered they all have them. Looks utterly crap. If I had a Polestar, that sticker would duly be peeled off and aimed at the nearest wheelie bin.
Look forward to seeing these (and the Polestar 3) in the flesh, although I must admit to finding the Polestar 2 a bit bland nowadays.
Nik Gnashers said:
Where are the EV's without a huge ipad stuck to the dash, and styled to appeal to people like me who don't want a fridge on wheels with a load of fake tat stuck to it ?
Welcome to 2024 - all new cars have ‘iPads stuck to the dash’, regardless of the power source.As for your other point:
Cars with big power and weight have existed for decades - most people with a German Super Saloon are not tracking those either.
The advantage of an EV is that it can have big power, without much impact on overall range, if you’re not pushing on.
smilo996 said:
Every Polestar makes Tesla look like their cars were designed by Fisher Price. The rear no screen might be a step too far for some but another solid performance from them.
But the Tesla rivals are much lighter and much more efficient. Plus whilst a Polestar driver is heabutting an Ionity charger trying to get it to work with his App the Tesla driver is plugged into a Supercharger.Style over substance?
SDK said:
Nik Gnashers said:
Where are the EV's without a huge ipad stuck to the dash, and styled to appeal to people like me who don't want a fridge on wheels with a load of fake tat stuck to it ?
Welcome to 2024 - all new cars have ‘iPads stuck to the dash’, regardless of the power source.As for your other point:
Cars with big power and weight have existed for decades - most people with a German Super Saloon are not tracking those either.
The advantage of an EV is that it can have big power, without much impact on overall range, if you’re not pushing on.
My point is very relevant, where are new cars for people like me (and my opinion is shared by a massive percentage of car buyers) ?
I don't want a huge ipad stuck to the dash thanks, I like clear, simple, dials.
I also don't want 500+ bhp in an average family car.
I'd happily trade lower power with a greater range, in a family car, and would appreciate better handling with less weight, over ultimate straight line performance and 500+ bhp in an average family car.
If I am being forced into an EV, and I don't want a 120 mile range EV 2 seater sports car, or a 2.5 tonne mahoosive SUV with 500+ bhp, what can I buy that doesn't look gash, and doesn't have an ipad stuck to the dash ?
Nik Gnashers said:
German super saloons are not your average family car though.
My point is very relevant, where are new cars for people like me (and my opinion is shared by a massive percentage of car buyers) ?
I don't want a huge ipad stuck to the dash thanks, I like clear, simple, dials.
I also don't want 500+ bhp in an average family car.
I'd happily trade lower power with a greater range, in a family car, and would appreciate better handling with less weight, over ultimate straight line performance and 500+ bhp in an average family car.
If I am being forced into an EV, and I don't want a 120 mile range EV 2 seater sports car, or a 2.5 tonne mahoosive SUV with 500+ bhp, what can I buy that doesn't look gash, and doesn't have an ipad stuck to the dash ?
You are not being forced into anything. You can buy a shiny new ICE right up until 2035 by and carryon running it for as long as you wish after. By that time there will be a plethora of lower powered cars for you to drive. My EV has 184bhp and 150 mile range and weighs 1350kg. I have no doubt when I replace it will be an EV with similar power and weight but greater range although a BMW 4 series ICE goes from about 1700kg -1900kg so Family cars are no longer light.My point is very relevant, where are new cars for people like me (and my opinion is shared by a massive percentage of car buyers) ?
I don't want a huge ipad stuck to the dash thanks, I like clear, simple, dials.
I also don't want 500+ bhp in an average family car.
I'd happily trade lower power with a greater range, in a family car, and would appreciate better handling with less weight, over ultimate straight line performance and 500+ bhp in an average family car.
If I am being forced into an EV, and I don't want a 120 mile range EV 2 seater sports car, or a 2.5 tonne mahoosive SUV with 500+ bhp, what can I buy that doesn't look gash, and doesn't have an ipad stuck to the dash ?
Why are you so obsessed about weight?
Nomme de Plum said:
You are not being forced into anything. You can buy a shiny new ICE right up until 2035 by and carryon running it for as long as you wish after. By that time there will be a plethora of lower powered cars for you to drive. My EV has 184bhp and 150 mile range and weighs 1350kg. I have no doubt when I replace it will be an EV with similar power and weight but greater range although a BMW 4 series ICE goes from about 1700kg -1900kg so Family cars are no longer light.
Why are you so obsessed about weight?
Your EV is not new though? Don't make em light like that any more.Why are you so obsessed about weight?
A lot of posters seem to be "obsessed" by weight, have you noticed ...
TX.
Terminator X said:
Nomme de Plum said:
You are not being forced into anything. You can buy a shiny new ICE right up until 2035 by and carryon running it for as long as you wish after. By that time there will be a plethora of lower powered cars for you to drive. My EV has 184bhp and 150 mile range and weighs 1350kg. I have no doubt when I replace it will be an EV with similar power and weight but greater range although a BMW 4 series ICE goes from about 1700kg -1900kg so Family cars are no longer light.
Why are you so obsessed about weight?
Your EV is not new though? Don't make em light like that any more.Why are you so obsessed about weight?
A lot of posters seem to be "obsessed" by weight, have you noticed ...
TX.
Nik Gnashers said:
I'd happily trade lower power with a greater range, in a family car, and would appreciate better handling with less weight, over ultimate straight line performance and 500+ bhp in an average family car.
Why are you ignoring the fact that the single motor version only has only 5% more range than the dual motor version?It's been pointed out multiple times on this thread, and I'm pretty sure I've described it to you previously.
You cannot, carte blanche, use ICE design rules to judge electric powertrains.
A 600 bhp ICE has a much higher fuel consumption under normal driving conditions than the same car with 300 bhp.
A 600 bhp EV has a very similar energy consumption to a 300 bhp EV under normal driving conditions.
Different powertrains, different rules.
Extra power in an EV doesn't harm the range permanently, only if you absolutely thrash it everywhere.
Where's the downside?
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