RE: Electrified son-of-Elise now testing on road
Discussion
Nik Gnashers said:
What's not to like ?
Sound (or lack of it).
Gear changes - driver involvement is a huge part of the attraction, in a car like this.
Still, lovely looking thing, no doubt it will be fast, and handle very well too.
I'm sure it will be a bit hit with the social media types. I won't notice that though as I've just had an experimental combination COVID/influencer vaccine.Sound (or lack of it).
Gear changes - driver involvement is a huge part of the attraction, in a car like this.
Still, lovely looking thing, no doubt it will be fast, and handle very well too.
SDK said:
As much as this appeals to the Pistonheads audience, a car like this just won't sell in any volume to make a profit.
As it should be. Any truly PH car should lose a ton of money and make no business sense at all, and should only be on the market due to the passion, determination and stupidity of a bunch of engineers in a shed. Truly, no car could ever make PH business sense; for us to truly appreciate it, a car must cost billions to develop, must sell for a pittance so we can afford it, and must sell in tiny numbers so we can feel it's special for us rather than being for the masses who was cars for stupid things like commuting and the school run.
N.A.R.T Spyder said:
I've been saying this for a while, by the time the ICE ban comes in (be it 2035 or earlier if Labour win) then technology will have moved on so much that charging your car will almost be like filling up with petrol. You will pop along to your local EV charging station, plug in your car while you pop into the ubiquitous onsite Starbucks / Costa. 10 minutes later, you have a 300 mile range to play with. At least I hope that's the case as I don't have any off street parking and can see ICE vehicles being taxed out of existence after 2030. Just don't let the thing catch fire.
Think that through, even if the tech is available by then (Miracle Battery next year has been said for 10 years plus already) everyone would have to swap their old car to a new latest battery tech car. EV trade in levels are insane now, that would perhaps make old EV's worthless?TX.
I’m not anti-EV at all, but what never seems to get mentioned with these super fast charging claims is that fast DC charging degrades the battery quickly and costs the Earth. My nearest 150kw charging station is 90p per kw, as opposed to 7.5p overnight at home. With current tech and costs, fast charging is for occasional use not the much touted ‘pop into a garage and charge up whilst you drink a coffee’ every other day.
So you want to know 'What's NOT to like?'
How long have you got?
Every journey of modest distance will involve meticulous levels of planning re fast chargers, and that wouldn't tell you if they were out of order or if there was a queue for them.
It wouldn't sound anything like a sports car.
1250 kg is heavy!
Oh, and climate change is a hoax anyway.
My tin hat is fastened secure.................
How long have you got?
Every journey of modest distance will involve meticulous levels of planning re fast chargers, and that wouldn't tell you if they were out of order or if there was a queue for them.
It wouldn't sound anything like a sports car.
1250 kg is heavy!
Oh, and climate change is a hoax anyway.
My tin hat is fastened secure.................
VladD said:
Nomme de Plum said:
Lefty said:
Looks great, prime candidate for a K20 swap.
It’s be done already. Mine had a supercharger and 380bhp. 837kg EV will still be better I have neither the need nor desire for an EV but for an everyday white-goods car for a lot of people I get that it makes sense.
Why on earth anyone want an electric sports car is beyond me.
And172940 said:
…what never seems to get mentioned with these super fast charging claims is that fast DC charging degrades the battery quickly…
Don’t read the article huh? 
The battery degradation over 4,000 charges was assessed, apparently, and resulted in a 20% drop in capacity.
That’s a lot, but one of these will be never be driven the 600,000 miles that 4k charges would demand. Their point, rather, is that actually battery degradation is a non-issue for the vast majority of users over the vast majority of the cars life.
Lefty said:
Why on earth anyone want an electric sports car is beyond me.
I would!I don’t always like noise, so the quieter nature of electric cars is often very appealing. I have neighbours too, and I like the idea I can slip out the close at 6am in the summer without waking anyone.
I like the way electric cars behave and feel too. Not trying to convert anyone or say it’s better, but I like it.
I also like the way some cars look, and at least to my eyes this is a pretty thing, so is the Caterham Project V.
Yet, for all that, I think I’m still just as much of a petrolhead as any other PHer. I just drove my Alpine 2,800 miles across Europe, and the next car on the shopping list is a big block, early 70s, 1,000hp Chevy C10 pickup.
I like engines, but I also like electric motors. People like me really aren’t that rare
leglessAlex said:
Lefty said:
Why on earth anyone want an electric sports car is beyond me.
I would!I don’t always like noise, so the quieter nature of electric cars is often very appealing. I have neighbours too, and I like the idea I can slip out the close at 6am in the summer without waking anyone.
I like the way electric cars behave and feel too. Not trying to convert anyone or say it’s better, but I like it.
I also like the way some cars look, and at least to my eyes this is a pretty thing, so is the Caterham Project V.
Yet, for all that, I think I’m still just as much of a petrolhead as any other PHer. I just drove my Alpine 2,800 miles across Europe, and the next car on the shopping list is a big block, early 70s, 1,000hp Chevy C10 pickup.
I like engines, but I also like electric motors. People like me really aren’t that rare
To me, and maybe I’m in the minority here, I want a sports car to be noisy and have an exciting powerband and a manual gearbox. I want the sound, smell and sensations of a petrol engine.
Maybe the difference is between something “sporting” like a hot hatch or quick sports saloon and a dedicated “sportscar” like an Elise or TVR or whatever. The sporting car for me, absolutely, could be EV. The sportscar, no way.
TonyG2003 said:
I had to do a double take. Have they just reused an Elise/Exige S3 interior. It looks just like my Elise S3.
Still interesting car.
I thought the same, although I’ve read this article and the previous one too, I can’t find any reference to this actually being based on the old Elise/Exige platform. Still interesting car.
It looks identical inside to my old Exige S2 and the windscreen and surround look incredibly similar. I’d made the assumption that there is indeed an Exige/Elise underneath those panels. No bad thing though.
Lefty said:
leglessAlex said:
Lefty said:
Why on earth anyone want an electric sports car is beyond me.
I would!I don’t always like noise, so the quieter nature of electric cars is often very appealing. I have neighbours too, and I like the idea I can slip out the close at 6am in the summer without waking anyone.
I like the way electric cars behave and feel too. Not trying to convert anyone or say it’s better, but I like it.
I also like the way some cars look, and at least to my eyes this is a pretty thing, so is the Caterham Project V.
Yet, for all that, I think I’m still just as much of a petrolhead as any other PHer. I just drove my Alpine 2,800 miles across Europe, and the next car on the shopping list is a big block, early 70s, 1,000hp Chevy C10 pickup.
I like engines, but I also like electric motors. People like me really aren’t that rare
To me, and maybe I’m in the minority here, I want a sports car to be noisy and have an exciting powerband and a manual gearbox. I want the sound, smell and sensations of a petrol engine.
Maybe the difference is between something “sporting” like a hot hatch or quick sports saloon and a dedicated “sportscar” like an Elise or TVR or whatever. The sporting car for me, absolutely, could be EV. The sportscar, no way.
I like electric cars because they’re different, I’m not being forced into them and most importantly of all, I can have them in addition, not instead of.
Yes, I like electric cars. But if the choice was one or the other, there’s absolutely no way I’m choosing electric. Right now I see them as just more choice, and more choice is more better.
I fully agree (well, you didn't say it but I’m reading between the lines) that the day we’re forced into EVs is a f
king st day. Happily, at least from my POV, I don’t think that’ll ever happen, or at least not in my lifetime. This technology needs to be pitched to major OEMs as soon as possible.
Transportation infrastructure needs lighter, if not light, vehicles. And consumers need the convenience of fast charging.
Nyobolt EV could put together a working group to identify the most efficient pathways to scale this technology via OEM licensing and other partnerships.
It's not just an opportunity for Nyobolt EV but for Blighty as a whole. Investment, STEM jobs, and the knock on effect among related companies.
Transportation infrastructure needs lighter, if not light, vehicles. And consumers need the convenience of fast charging.
Nyobolt EV could put together a working group to identify the most efficient pathways to scale this technology via OEM licensing and other partnerships.
It's not just an opportunity for Nyobolt EV but for Blighty as a whole. Investment, STEM jobs, and the knock on effect among related companies.
leglessAlex said:
Don’t read the article huh?
The battery degradation over 4,000 charges was assessed, apparently, and resulted in a 20% drop in capacity.
That’s a lot, but one of these will be never be driven the 600,000 miles that 4k charges would demand. Their point, rather, is that actually battery degradation is a non-issue for the vast majority of users over the vast majority of the cars life.
I did indeed read the article and it doesn’t state that it went through 4000 charge cycles at 350kw does it? You have assumed that just like they want you to. The battery degradation over 4,000 charges was assessed, apparently, and resulted in a 20% drop in capacity.
That’s a lot, but one of these will be never be driven the 600,000 miles that 4k charges would demand. Their point, rather, is that actually battery degradation is a non-issue for the vast majority of users over the vast majority of the cars life.
No need for the vitriolic reply really was there?
Terminator X said:
N.A.R.T Spyder said:
I've been saying this for a while, by the time the ICE ban comes in (be it 2035 or earlier if Labour win) then technology will have moved on so much that charging your car will almost be like filling up with petrol. You will pop along to your local EV charging station, plug in your car while you pop into the ubiquitous onsite Starbucks / Costa. 10 minutes later, you have a 300 mile range to play with. At least I hope that's the case as I don't have any off street parking and can see ICE vehicles being taxed out of existence after 2030. Just don't let the thing catch fire.
Think that through, even if the tech is available by then (Miracle Battery next year has been said for 10 years plus already) everyone would have to swap their old car to a new latest battery tech car. EV trade in levels are insane now, that would perhaps make old EV's worthless?TX.
We buy circa 7.5M cars annually new and used. Apparently 56% of homes can support home charging so there will always be a market for those used EVs with slower charging. At the end of their useful life, say 15 years or so they will be replaced with something that has faster charging. My max charge is 50kW and works fine for my usage.
There are still relatively few EVs on our roads so by the time the mandate dictates just EVs for new car post 2035 Fast charging capability will be normal. At that time there will still only be about 15.5M EVs in a total car population of 33M or so.
Lefty said:
Quite.
I have neither the need nor desire for an EV but for an everyday white-goods car for a lot of people I get that it makes sense.
Why on earth anyone want an electric sports car is beyond me.
All normal cars are white goods and have been from the days of the Model T in 1908 , excepting it was black of course. I have neither the need nor desire for an EV but for an everyday white-goods car for a lot of people I get that it makes sense.
Why on earth anyone want an electric sports car is beyond me.
I'd happily have an electric sports car.
My Exige was all but undriveable in hot weather. It had a radiator and charge cooler in the front and the engine just behind with the exhaust which ran red hot. It was like sitting in a sauna and was only fun on the track.
I don't feel the need to fiddle with gears as I've done that. At least my early sports cars were truly analogue, No traction control, ABS, active damping etc. and one had a straight cut sequential box which was unbelievably noisy. I wonder how many enthusiasts would tolerate that in their sports cars.
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