RE: 2021 ULEZ expansion | PH Explains
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McRors said:
howardhughes said:
The bottom line is the Government hates motorists. It's a simple as that.
It’s not the government it’s the loony mayor, Sadiq Khan who’s responsible for this. He hates cars and has blocked off roads and caused mayhem in London. He’s an idiot.
I think in fairness it was for high days and holidays.....DodgyGeezer said:
you wait until it's expanded out to the M25 - that'll be next and then there'll be wailing and nashing of teeth
It's already penciled in for 2025/6 it'll come with a raft of changes (none to diesels though) too, every petrol will have to be Euro 5, the Congestion Charge Zone will be expanded to the North & South Circular with EV's no (not that they should be exempt in the first place especially as we now have a ULEZ charge) longer exempt from the CC too.I live inside the zone and one car (Maserati GS) doesn't meet the new standards. This car only gets used for a few road trips a year so I'll just pay the tax.
2005 road tax bands are lower than for 2006 vehicles, so I save about £300 a year in road tax. That pays for plenty of ULEZ charges so I don't think it's worth changing to something newer.
2005 road tax bands are lower than for 2006 vehicles, so I save about £300 a year in road tax. That pays for plenty of ULEZ charges so I don't think it's worth changing to something newer.
ZX10R NIN said:
It's already penciled in for 2025/6 it'll come with a raft of changes (none to diesels though) too, every petrol will have to be Euro 5, the Congestion Charge Zone will be expanded to the North & South Circular with EV's no (not that they should be exempt in the first place especially as we now have a ULEZ charge) longer exempt from the CC too.
Can you please provide some sort of source for your determined statement - not a forecast but a 'pencilled in' plan - that ULEZ will be expanded out to the M25 in 2025-6?I would be very surprised if you can, as ULEZ and the Congestion Charge are managed by TFL - and the vast majority of the M25 is far beyond the Greater London boundary apart from a small part around North Ockenden?
Omaruk said:
How are they going to police it? I haven’t seen the cameras up like the congestion zone.
The will also utilise cameras on main roads as well as since about two months there has been a lot of small CCTV cars driving around in residential areas, not to metion that councils already closed a lot of small roads forcing traffic on main roads.One of the reasons there are so many older diesel vehicles on the road is due to previous Governments enouraging the take up of such vehicles.
Further taxing the use of such assets that people already own, bought and paid for with earnings they have already been taxed on, is immoral.
It hurts those on lower incomes the most, who are more likely to drive older cars.
You would have imagined a socialist mayor would have been concerned about that.
Unfortunately, from the moment the Congestion charge was introduced in 2003, it was inevitable there would be calls to continually extend its scope and make it more expensive.
Once the door is ajar, authorities will keep pushing. Unless more people oppose it, that will not change.
Further taxing the use of such assets that people already own, bought and paid for with earnings they have already been taxed on, is immoral.
It hurts those on lower incomes the most, who are more likely to drive older cars.
You would have imagined a socialist mayor would have been concerned about that.
Unfortunately, from the moment the Congestion charge was introduced in 2003, it was inevitable there would be calls to continually extend its scope and make it more expensive.
Once the door is ajar, authorities will keep pushing. Unless more people oppose it, that will not change.
lobster940 said:
ZX10R NIN said:
It's already penciled in for 2025/6 it'll come with a raft of changes (none to diesels though) too, every petrol will have to be Euro 5, the Congestion Charge Zone will be expanded to the North & South Circular with EV's no (not that they should be exempt in the first place especially as we now have a ULEZ charge) longer exempt from the CC too.
Can you please provide some sort of source for your determined statement - not a forecast but a 'pencilled in' plan - that ULEZ will be expanded out to the M25 in 2025-6?I would be very surprised if you can, as ULEZ and the Congestion Charge are managed by TFL - and the vast majority of the M25 is far beyond the Greater London boundary apart from a small part around North Ockenden?
https://www.motoringresearch.com/car-news/heathrow...
On top of that, many other cities in the UK are introducing or have already introduced their own form of ULEZ (CAZ or Clean Air Zones) and that is expected to grow to many more places over time.
About 15 years ago you could park for free in my old area in SW London.
It was never a problem finding space but the council convinced people that others were parking their cars in our streets due to the station a full mile away.
They said a small charge to administrate it.
Started at £40 a year, it's now £190 a year and draconianally enforced.
Friends, visitors even myself have paid fines as well as the yearly charge.
I wrote to my MP about it. He replied that the charges and fines helped lower the council tax.
That MP
Khaaaaaannnnnnnnn!
Khhhhaaaaannnnnnnnn!
Kirk mode off!
It was never a problem finding space but the council convinced people that others were parking their cars in our streets due to the station a full mile away.
They said a small charge to administrate it.
Started at £40 a year, it's now £190 a year and draconianally enforced.
Friends, visitors even myself have paid fines as well as the yearly charge.
I wrote to my MP about it. He replied that the charges and fines helped lower the council tax.
That MP
Khaaaaaannnnnnnnn!
Khhhhaaaaannnnnnnnn!
Kirk mode off!
I live inside the North Circular and my Volvo T-5R is not ULEZ-compliant. Aside from the inevitable cost of buying something newer — but, I can't think what would give me similar levels of space in such a small car — I really love the Volvo, so I think I'm going to see how much I drive it when it'll cost £12.50 every time and hope I find a compromise between too much in ULEZ payments and not enough where the car doesn't justify its existence.
I can remember when, 5 minutes after getting off the train in Kings Cross, the lungs would be burning and the eyes watering (60s, 70s). So a cleaner capital was always welcome. But joined up thinking never came in to this. Up to a year before the big C I would use British Rail and the tube to get around the centre in my work as a film supporting actor. Then BR went stratospheric with the pricing at the same time as losing track of where all their loco's were.
Despite my car being a Yeti 1.2 petrol, chosed exactly because of ULEZ, I now drive only as far as necessary to the outskirts before tubing in. Driving in London was never classed as by me as a pastime and I have had to do rather too much of it recently. My heart goes out to anyone trapped in the jungle and I wonder if any thought has been given to a graded tariff for residents with the brut being reserved for us from outside.
Despite my car being a Yeti 1.2 petrol, chosed exactly because of ULEZ, I now drive only as far as necessary to the outskirts before tubing in. Driving in London was never classed as by me as a pastime and I have had to do rather too much of it recently. My heart goes out to anyone trapped in the jungle and I wonder if any thought has been given to a graded tariff for residents with the brut being reserved for us from outside.
croyde said:
About 15 years ago you could park for free in my old area in SW London.
It was never a problem finding space but the council convinced people that others were parking their cars in our streets due to the station a full mile away.
They said a small charge to administrate it.
Started at £40 a year, it's now £190 a year and draconianally enforced.
Friends, visitors even myself have paid fines as well as the yearly charge.
I wrote to my MP about it. He replied that the charges and fines helped lower the council tax.
That MP
Khaaaaaannnnnnnnn!
Khhhhaaaaannnnnnnnn!
Kirk mode off!
It's sad how councils seem to think it's their job to make life as difficult as possible for residents. There's clearly a need to manage traffic and parking but there's no need for it to be done in such an officious, confrontational manner.It was never a problem finding space but the council convinced people that others were parking their cars in our streets due to the station a full mile away.
They said a small charge to administrate it.
Started at £40 a year, it's now £190 a year and draconianally enforced.
Friends, visitors even myself have paid fines as well as the yearly charge.
I wrote to my MP about it. He replied that the charges and fines helped lower the council tax.
That MP
Khaaaaaannnnnnnnn!
Khhhhaaaaannnnnnnnn!
Kirk mode off!
k nopetim milne said:
I live inside the North Circular and my Volvo T-5R is not ULEZ-compliant. Aside from the inevitable cost of buying something newer — but, I can't think what would give me similar levels of space in such a small car — I really love the Volvo, so I think I'm going to see how much I drive it when it'll cost £12.50 every time and hope I find a compromise between too much in ULEZ payments and not enough where the car doesn't justify its existence.
the thing is though if you don't use your car nearly every day is it actually worth the expense of a new car to avoid said tax (especially when the goalposts will almost certainly change over the next several years)?Gassing Station | General Gassing | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff