More cars you didn't know existed...
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nessiemac said:
One of the staff at my local train station had one of these so used to see it all the time. Still the only one I've ever seen I think (her's was in much better condition than this one). Think she traded it for a Nissan Cube.
ClaphamGT3 said:
That car is currently owned by Lord Bamford
The Camargue question is interesting.
Pininfarina made a 1 off Mercedes 300 SEL 6.3 for a Dutch collector in 1969.
Then 6 years later, Pininfarina penned the Camargue. Wonder where that inspiration came from....
The Camargue was always a wonderous favourite of mine since the days of Top Trumps but a few years ago there was one parked in the forecourt of a local Bentley dealer. I stopped and got out for my first ever good look around one and dear Lord what a haphazard design with some absolutely excruciating details that jar horribly with the overall design and appearance.
Dreams shattered.
Dreams shattered.
McGee_22 said:
The Camargue was always a wonderous favourite of mine since the days of Top Trumps but a few years ago there was one parked in the forecourt of a local Bentley dealer. I stopped and got out for my first ever good look around one and dear Lord what a haphazard design with some absolutely excruciating details that jar horribly with the overall design and appearance.
Dreams shattered.
Was ‘the most expensive car in the world’ for a while wasn’t it?Dreams shattered.
Quite a bit of Emperor’s New Clothes going on at the time, looking back.
Fast Bug said:
The Fuji Cabin. Funky little thing
Neat."However, despite plans at the outset to build as many as 400-500 Fuji Cabins per month, just 85 were made in all, in a production run that lasted from 1957 into 1958. The short production run was partly because of the poor-quality bodyshells, partly because of the price and partly because Fuji had no experience of marketing, so hardly anybody knew that the Cabin existed.'
swisstoni said:
McGee_22 said:
The Camargue was always a wonderous favourite of mine since the days of Top Trumps but a few years ago there was one parked in the forecourt of a local Bentley dealer. I stopped and got out for my first ever good look around one and dear Lord what a haphazard design with some absolutely excruciating details that jar horribly with the overall design and appearance.
Dreams shattered.
Was ‘the most expensive car in the world’ for a while wasn’t it?Dreams shattered.
Quite a bit of Emperor’s New Clothes going on at the time, looking back.
king cool.jet_noise said:
ClaphamGT3 said:
When a Bristol and a Rolls Royce love each other very much.Interesting short blog on the Camargue here
https://driventowrite.com/2021/10/21/missing-the-m...
Edited by GeniusOfLove on Monday 1st July 13:33
GeniusOfLove said:
jet_noise said:
ClaphamGT3 said:
2xChevrons said:
Santana started off as a license-builder for Land Rover in the 1960s, and later became the builder and distributor for Land Rover in Spain, North Africa and Central and South America.
Originally they just built Land Rovers as CKD kits, then gradually increased the local content. After they were 100% Spanish built (about 1970) they started developing their own variants and modernisation of the basic Land Rover design.
This was just when LR in Britain began stagnating so there were some interesting Santanas - they made 3.3-litre six-cylinder versions of the familiar 2.25-litre Land Rover four-pots. Then they started fitting their products with parabolic springs while Brirish LRs were still crashing about on cart springs. Santanas gained things like flush front grilles, one-piece windscreens, a rear door you could fit a pallet through, turbodiesel engines and five-speed gearboxes years before the British product did. They had their own Forward Control version of the Land Rover that was quite different from (and better than) the UK version, and they did civilian versions of 101FC and 88-inch Lightweight which were military-only in the UK.
What you saw is a Santana PS-10, which was the final development of the Santana Land Rover from the early 2000s. It's still got essentially a Series III Land Rover chassis with the traditional 109-inch wheelbase. Parabolic leaf springs instead of coils like an LR Defender. Iveco 2.8-litre turbo diesel engine, Santana LT85 gearbox (as fitted to V8 Land Rovers in the UK) and part-time 4WD.
Santana was later taken over by Iveco who renamed the PS-10 the Massif, put an ugly grille on the front and started making a SWB 88-inch version. They tried selling it to military and utility buyers in Europe but didn't shift very many.
Originally they just built Land Rovers as CKD kits, then gradually increased the local content. After they were 100% Spanish built (about 1970) they started developing their own variants and modernisation of the basic Land Rover design.
This was just when LR in Britain began stagnating so there were some interesting Santanas - they made 3.3-litre six-cylinder versions of the familiar 2.25-litre Land Rover four-pots. Then they started fitting their products with parabolic springs while Brirish LRs were still crashing about on cart springs. Santanas gained things like flush front grilles, one-piece windscreens, a rear door you could fit a pallet through, turbodiesel engines and five-speed gearboxes years before the British product did. They had their own Forward Control version of the Land Rover that was quite different from (and better than) the UK version, and they did civilian versions of 101FC and 88-inch Lightweight which were military-only in the UK.
What you saw is a Santana PS-10, which was the final development of the Santana Land Rover from the early 2000s. It's still got essentially a Series III Land Rover chassis with the traditional 109-inch wheelbase. Parabolic leaf springs instead of coils like an LR Defender. Iveco 2.8-litre turbo diesel engine, Santana LT85 gearbox (as fitted to V8 Land Rovers in the UK) and part-time 4WD.
Santana was later taken over by Iveco who renamed the PS-10 the Massif, put an ugly grille on the front and started making a SWB 88-inch version. They tried selling it to military and utility buyers in Europe but didn't shift very many.
Interesting. So a pair of fresh eyes, metaphorically speaking, as well as a distant geography with different and perhaps more urgent market requirements led to an evolution of the beast. Darwin of motors.
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