More cars you didn't know existed...

More cars you didn't know existed...

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NomduJour

19,261 posts

262 months

Monday 10th June
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V 02

2,098 posts

63 months

Monday 10th June
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I saw this today in Barcelona. It’s called a “Santana”, I have never heard of it, maybe it’s because I’m too young to know about it? It looks a bit like an old Land Rover 110.

Doofus

26,625 posts

176 months

Monday 10th June
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Santanas have been built under licence for 40 years or more.

2xChevrons

3,335 posts

83 months

Monday 10th June
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V 02 said:



I saw this today in Barcelona. It’s called a “Santana”, I have never heard of it, maybe it’s because I’m too young to know about it?
Santana started off as a license-builder for Land Rover in the 1960s, and later became the builder and distributor for Land Rover in Spain, North Africa and Central and South America.

Originally they just built Land Rovers as CKD kits, then gradually increased the local content. After they were 100% Spanish built (about 1970) they started developing their own variants and modernisation of the basic Land Rover design.

This was just when LR in Britain began stagnating so there were some interesting Santanas - they made 3.3-litre six-cylinder versions of the familiar 2.25-litre Land Rover four-pots. Then they started fitting their products with parabolic springs while Brirish LRs were still crashing about on cart springs. Santanas gained things like flush front grilles, one-piece windscreens, a rear door you could fit a pallet through, turbodiesel engines and five-speed gearboxes years before the British product did. They had their own Forward Control version of the Land Rover that was quite different from (and better than) the UK version, and they did civilian versions of 101FC and 88-inch Lightweight which were military-only in the UK.

What you saw is a Santana PS-10, which was the final development of the Santana Land Rover from the early 2000s. It's still got essentially a Series III Land Rover chassis with the traditional 109-inch wheelbase. Parabolic leaf springs instead of coils like an LR Defender. Iveco 2.8-litre turbo diesel engine, Santana LT85 gearbox (as fitted to V8 Land Rovers in the UK) and part-time 4WD.

Santana was later taken over by Iveco who renamed the PS-10 the Massif, put an ugly grille on the front and started making a SWB 88-inch version. They tried selling it to military and utility buyers in Europe but didn't shift very many.

Kuwahara

897 posts

21 months

Monday 10th June
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Santanas we’re quite popular for a while, they managed to make a vehicle even worse to drive than the Land Rover it was based on.

sidewinder500

1,233 posts

97 months

Tuesday 11th June
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NomduJour said:
Almost modern, thanks for posting

Dapster

7,095 posts

183 months

Tuesday 11th June
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V 02 said:



I saw this today in Barcelona. It’s called a “Santana”, I have never heard of it, maybe it’s because I’m too young to know about it? It looks a bit like an old Land Rover 110.
Saw one in Menorca when on hols a few summers ago









blueg33

36,763 posts

227 months

Tuesday 11th June
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I posted this in another thread. Some sort of Honda. It lives in North Devon


Matt Cup

3,189 posts

107 months

Tuesday 11th June
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blueg33 said:
I posted this in another thread. Some sort of Honda. It lives in North Devon

Honda City. Very cool cool

vetrof

2,538 posts

176 months

Tuesday 11th June
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Madness made a few Japanese domestic ads for Honda back in the day.


CT05 Nose Cone

25,055 posts

230 months

Tuesday 11th June
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Matt Cup said:
blueg33 said:
I posted this in another thread. Some sort of Honda. It lives in North Devon

Honda City. Very cool cool
Even got its own NES game


TooLateForAName

4,781 posts

187 months

Tuesday 11th June
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T6 vanman said:
This looked a surprisingly clean and pleasant design.

They're a big player in china, but I didnt know they were available in the uk

Matt Cup

3,189 posts

107 months

Tuesday 11th June
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CT05 Nose Cone said:
Matt Cup said:
blueg33 said:
I posted this in another thread. Some sort of Honda. It lives in North Devon

Honda City. Very cool cool
Even got its own NES game

Nice!

Honda also made a folding scooter that fit in the boot of the City.





Still Mulling

12,772 posts

180 months

Tuesday 11th June
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Matt Cup said:
Nice!

Honda also made a folding scooter that fit in the boot of the City.




A white set regularly attends Bicester meets. smile

NomduJour

19,261 posts

262 months

Tuesday 11th June
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They were called Jazz over here - there’s a faded red one that still lives around Horseferry Road in town.

biggbn

24,409 posts

223 months

Tuesday 11th June
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Kuwahara said:
Santanas we’re quite popular for a while, they managed to make a vehicle even worse to drive than the Land Rover it was based on.
Only it wasn't, was it?

NomduJour

19,261 posts

262 months

Tuesday 11th June
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biggbn said:
Only it wasn't, was it?
When they were briefly sold here, I don’t remember the reviews being particularly positive. A contemporary late Defender will definitely be a more pleasant thing to drive.

Matt Cup

3,189 posts

107 months

Tuesday 11th June
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NomduJour said:
They were called Jazz over here - there’s a faded red one that still lives around Horseferry Road in town.
Now this I didn’t know thumbup

MarkwG

4,899 posts

192 months

Tuesday 11th June
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NomduJour said:
biggbn said:
Only it wasn't, was it?
When they were briefly sold here, I don’t remember the reviews being particularly positive. A contemporary late Defender will definitely be a more pleasant thing to drive.
FWIW Fleet News of the day were reasonably complementary. https://www.fleetnews.co.uk/cars/reviews/santana/p...

vaud

51,135 posts

158 months

Tuesday 11th June
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TooLateForAName said:
T6 vanman said:
This looked a surprisingly clean and pleasant design.

They're a big player in china, but I didnt know they were available in the uk
I don't think they are quite yet (they are planning to sell them) - so that might be a test car or press car?