Think I was followed in my RS6
Discussion
TikTak said:
As I said earlier in the thread, I'm on the Surrey border and the local Facebook group has multiple Ring doorcam footage posted every week of Range Rovers, Tesla's, BMWs etc. being pinched. Something like 95% of thefts don't use the owners keys anymore, so for the non-keyless Macan, it's most likely not going to be a target.
These guys are looking for the quick and easy, maximum effect. They rock up between about 11pm and 5am, hoods up, facemasks on, big old strip of copper in a bag with a laptop and 15 seconds later they're in your car driving off.
Steering locks, cameras, gates etc. are minor inconveniences to these people if they want it badly enough, with each thing barely adding seconds to their time. By the time you notice (especially if you slept though the night) the car is on a boat being shipped to somewhere like Georgia or being stripped for parts.
The easiest things to do are avoidance all together. Put car out of sight, in a garage etc. but not everyone can do this. So the next step is to get rid of keyless completely (a solution for a problem that never existed).
If you can't avoid, and have to prevent, pull batteries out of the spare keys (people box their main key and forget about these ones sitting in their bedroom), and not only pouch the used key, put then it in a faraday box to stop any signal leak and then on the opposite side of the house from where the car is parked. GPS trackers greatly improve the ability of recovering the vehicle, but even then a few of the "success" stories I've seen from round here is that they got the car back, but it had already had things like headlights, seats, wingmirrors stripped.
Worth reading the link I posted before. It's not all about repeating the signal any more, sometimes they are injecting straight onto the CAN busThese guys are looking for the quick and easy, maximum effect. They rock up between about 11pm and 5am, hoods up, facemasks on, big old strip of copper in a bag with a laptop and 15 seconds later they're in your car driving off.
Steering locks, cameras, gates etc. are minor inconveniences to these people if they want it badly enough, with each thing barely adding seconds to their time. By the time you notice (especially if you slept though the night) the car is on a boat being shipped to somewhere like Georgia or being stripped for parts.
The easiest things to do are avoidance all together. Put car out of sight, in a garage etc. but not everyone can do this. So the next step is to get rid of keyless completely (a solution for a problem that never existed).
If you can't avoid, and have to prevent, pull batteries out of the spare keys (people box their main key and forget about these ones sitting in their bedroom), and not only pouch the used key, put then it in a faraday box to stop any signal leak and then on the opposite side of the house from where the car is parked. GPS trackers greatly improve the ability of recovering the vehicle, but even then a few of the "success" stories I've seen from round here is that they got the car back, but it had already had things like headlights, seats, wingmirrors stripped.
theplayingmantis said:
Do people want their car back if its been nicked. I certainly wouldn't - despite having to fit trackers for insurance purposes to a couple of mine. once nicked i would not want it back.
Probably less costly/simple to get it back and sell on compared to dealing with full loss considering how much (little) the insurance might pay out, future insurance premiums and all the hassle/delays associated with an insurance claim. Phil. said:
theplayingmantis said:
Do people want their car back if its been nicked. I certainly wouldn't - despite having to fit trackers for insurance purposes to a couple of mine. once nicked i would not want it back.
Probably less costly/simple to get it back and sell on compared to dealing with full loss considering how much (little) the insurance might pay out, future insurance premiums and all the hassle/delays associated with an insurance claim. Wait until you have to deal with an insurance companies' loss adjuster after you have both cars stolen. Not only do they try to argue the car isn't worth anywhere near it's valuation THE INSURANCE COMPANY OFFERED at the time you took the cover, they also enter into a game of deliberately delaying payment at a time when a. you have no transport so are desperate for some kind of payout, and b. you are emotionally fragile after a burglary to get the keys left you feel somewhat vulnerable. When I said I was complaining to the relevant ombudsman I was told go on then, cases can take months and you won't get any payout until it's resolved. Basically blackmail, the process needs to be much more transparent.
Fermit said:
You sure? This happened in our village last summer. They were after the cash machine in store. Not caused by an RS6 mind, a Hilux type thing IIRC.
Same thing's happened near me over the last couple of years, not quite in the middle of nowhere but no chance of BIB being anywhere near.popeyewhite said:
Phil. said:
theplayingmantis said:
Do people want their car back if its been nicked. I certainly wouldn't - despite having to fit trackers for insurance purposes to a couple of mine. once nicked i would not want it back.
Probably less costly/simple to get it back and sell on compared to dealing with full loss considering how much (little) the insurance might pay out, future insurance premiums and all the hassle/delays associated with an insurance claim. Wait until you have to deal with an insurance companies' loss adjuster after you have both cars stolen. Not only do they try to argue the car isn't worth anywhere near it's valuation THE INSURANCE COMPANY OFFERED at the time you took the cover, they also enter into a game of deliberately delaying payment at a time when a. you have no transport so are desperate for some kind of payout, and b. you are emotionally fragile after a burglary to get the keys left you feel somewhat vulnerable. When I said I was complaining to the relevant ombudsman I was told go on then, cases can take months and you won't get any payout until it's resolved. Basically blackmail, the process needs to be much more transparent.
I would have thought they would want to settle asap rather than dragging things out!
s94wht said:
TikTak said:
As I said earlier in the thread, I'm on the Surrey border and the local Facebook group has multiple Ring doorcam footage posted every week of Range Rovers, Tesla's, BMWs etc. being pinched. Something like 95% of thefts don't use the owners keys anymore, so for the non-keyless Macan, it's most likely not going to be a target.
These guys are looking for the quick and easy, maximum effect. They rock up between about 11pm and 5am, hoods up, facemasks on, big old strip of copper in a bag with a laptop and 15 seconds later they're in your car driving off.
Steering locks, cameras, gates etc. are minor inconveniences to these people if they want it badly enough, with each thing barely adding seconds to their time. By the time you notice (especially if you slept though the night) the car is on a boat being shipped to somewhere like Georgia or being stripped for parts.
The easiest things to do are avoidance all together. Put car out of sight, in a garage etc. but not everyone can do this. So the next step is to get rid of keyless completely (a solution for a problem that never existed).
If you can't avoid, and have to prevent, pull batteries out of the spare keys (people box their main key and forget about these ones sitting in their bedroom), and not only pouch the used key, put then it in a faraday box to stop any signal leak and then on the opposite side of the house from where the car is parked. GPS trackers greatly improve the ability of recovering the vehicle, but even then a few of the "success" stories I've seen from round here is that they got the car back, but it had already had things like headlights, seats, wingmirrors stripped.
Worth reading the link I posted before. It's not all about repeating the signal any more, sometimes they are injecting straight onto the CAN busThese guys are looking for the quick and easy, maximum effect. They rock up between about 11pm and 5am, hoods up, facemasks on, big old strip of copper in a bag with a laptop and 15 seconds later they're in your car driving off.
Steering locks, cameras, gates etc. are minor inconveniences to these people if they want it badly enough, with each thing barely adding seconds to their time. By the time you notice (especially if you slept though the night) the car is on a boat being shipped to somewhere like Georgia or being stripped for parts.
The easiest things to do are avoidance all together. Put car out of sight, in a garage etc. but not everyone can do this. So the next step is to get rid of keyless completely (a solution for a problem that never existed).
If you can't avoid, and have to prevent, pull batteries out of the spare keys (people box their main key and forget about these ones sitting in their bedroom), and not only pouch the used key, put then it in a faraday box to stop any signal leak and then on the opposite side of the house from where the car is parked. GPS trackers greatly improve the ability of recovering the vehicle, but even then a few of the "success" stories I've seen from round here is that they got the car back, but it had already had things like headlights, seats, wingmirrors stripped.
Get enough of trying to play catchup with a
holes in the day job working in IT for last 10+ years, guess as more electronics go into cars the technology problem will only continue/get worse. LeighW said:
If it's the same as the RR Sport, they just cut a nice hole in the tailgate, access one wire for the CAN Bus system, disable everything and unlock the car. Then once inside, they plug into the OBD port, program their own key and they're away in minutes. No noise, no fuss. This is a mate's car that was stolen just over a week ago. After a short chase with the police, they abandoned it and scarpered. If he hadn't had an additional aftermarket tracker fitted it would probably never have been found - he now realises why the insurance insisted on it. He has a young child, and is in two minds whether or not to keep the car now. 
Edit to add - this was in Tamworth.
Edit to add - this was in Tamworth.
s94wht said:
And an article from The Register about the CAN bus thefts that s94wht's link is describing (it's talking about the same researcher)https://www.theregister.com/2023/04/06/can_injecti...
MesoForm said:
And an article from The Register about the CAN bus thefts that s94wht's link is describing (it's talking about the same researcher)
https://www.theregister.com/2023/04/06/can_injecti...
That's really interesting and just goes to show how vulnerable the cars are at the moment. The Bluetooth speaker device is just genius really. I'm sure it's not news to manufacturers either https://www.theregister.com/2023/04/06/can_injecti...
Grumps. said:
Which insurer out of interest?
Can't remember, it was 2017.Grumps. said:
I would have thought they would want to settle asap rather than dragging things out!
They are happy to settle asap if you accept their offer way below what the car is actually worth. The loss adjuster's job is to ...adjust the companies' payout in their favour as much as possible.popeyewhite said:
Phil. said:
theplayingmantis said:
Do people want their car back if its been nicked. I certainly wouldn't - despite having to fit trackers for insurance purposes to a couple of mine. once nicked i would not want it back.
Probably less costly/simple to get it back and sell on compared to dealing with full loss considering how much (little) the insurance might pay out, future insurance premiums and all the hassle/delays associated with an insurance claim. Wait until you have to deal with an insurance companies' loss adjuster after you have both cars stolen. Not only do they try to argue the car isn't worth anywhere near it's valuation THE INSURANCE COMPANY OFFERED at the time you took the cover, they also enter into a game of deliberately delaying payment at a time when a. you have no transport so are desperate for some kind of payout, and b. you are emotionally fragile after a burglary to get the keys left you feel somewhat vulnerable. When I said I was complaining to the relevant ombudsman I was told go on then, cases can take months and you won't get any payout until it's resolved. Basically blackmail, the process needs to be much more transparent.
Lady across the road had her very nice, every option, RR nicked (not the cut the boot method).
Local FB group found it.
Next day it had been sold/traded in at the local RR/BMW/Porsche etc prestige lot.
Drives a nice 911 now.
StuE39 said:
theplayingmantis said:
Do people want their car back if its been nicked. I certainly wouldn't - despite having to fit trackers for insurance purposes to a couple of mine. once nicked i would not want it back.
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