RE: 2021 ULEZ expansion | PH Explains
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swamp said:
Seems to be plenty of non-compliant cars around my area (expanded ULEZ). It looks like TFL will be issuing a crazy number of fines in the coming weeks and months.
It might shock you to learn what is compliant. My 2001 Rover 75 with the 2.5l v6 is compliant, and will continue to be used to ferry me into the ULEZ zone three times a week!CoolHands said:
There no way all the buses are compliant so what the f
k happens with them? They are mostly old noisy stters
I think you’ll find they are.k happens with them? They are mostly old noisy stters https://tfl.gov.uk/info-for/media/press-releases/2...
And they’re all slated to be replaced by zero emission variants by 2030 *I think*
I think I find when I look out my front window they’re not. They’re still 2008 donkeys that sound like an aircraft carrier taking off.
I think we’ve had this argument before but you seem to have some kind of vested interest in pretending their all super modern and clean even though they aren’t.
I think we’ve had this argument before but you seem to have some kind of vested interest in pretending their all super modern and clean even though they aren’t.
that said, driving in London isn't fun so I'll give it a miss as long as I can - especially since the CG is now near as dammit 24/7 364 
CoolHands said:
I think I find when I look out my front window they’re not. They’re still 2008 donkeys that sound like an aircraft carrier taking off.
I think we’ve had this argument before but you seem to have some kind of vested interest in pretending their all super modern and clean even though they aren’t.
Did you read the link?I think we’ve had this argument before but you seem to have some kind of vested interest in pretending their all super modern and clean even though they aren’t.
Are you claiming that TfL are lying? That’s fine but you’ll have to back it up with a little more than what you see out of your window. Just because a bus may be old doesn’t mean it isn’t compliant. Buses go through a few engines in their lifetime and modifications can be made to make a vehicle compliant.
I will concede that there are a few cases where a bus may not be compliant (as the link explains) but these are by far the exception to the 9000+ daily fleet.
juice said:
sideways sid said:
CoolHands said:
...sound like an aircraft carrier taking off....
An aircraft carrier taking off must be quite a spectacle! 
You've done it now, there will be calculations about treadmills, wind speed etc
It would look something like the Battle Star Galactica but with loads of flames, blue light and thunderous noise.
croyde said:
I do like the idea of that.
It would look something like the Battle Star Galactica but with loads of flames, blue light and thunderous noise.
AhemIt would look something like the Battle Star Galactica but with loads of flames, blue light and thunderous noise.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g9p0B5NikPE
valiant said:
CoolHands said:
I think I find when I look out my front window they’re not. They’re still 2008 donkeys that sound like an aircraft carrier taking off.
I think we’ve had this argument before but you seem to have some kind of vested interest in pretending their all super modern and clean even though they aren’t.
Did you read the link?I think we’ve had this argument before but you seem to have some kind of vested interest in pretending their all super modern and clean even though they aren’t.
Are you claiming that TfL are lying? That’s fine but you’ll have to back it up with a little more than what you see out of your window. Just because a bus may be old doesn’t mean it isn’t compliant. Buses go through a few engines in their lifetime and modifications can be made to make a vehicle compliant.
I will concede that there are a few cases where a bus may not be compliant (as the link explains) but these are by far the exception to the 9000+ daily fleet.
I have a 2012 Mercedes ML 350 BlueTec. I checked on the TFL web site and it came up as non compliant so thought no more of it until I was looking to replace it and was looking at identical ones for sale that were all saying ULEZ compliant. I made a note of all the reg numbers and checked them on the TFL site and they were all compliant. I'm not one to give up easily. I checked with DVLA to see if they had the correct vehicle for the personalised number plate and they confirmed it was correct as in the past when getting online insurance quotes it came up as a 2005 VW Touareg which I've never owned. I called TFL again and the guy confirmed it is compliant as it has Ad Blue. I was asked to forward a copy of the V5 and heard nothing so I called several more times and got nowhere. Finally I called Mercedes who told me that amongst the documents supplied with the car when new, there is a small yellow covered booklet that confirms on paragraph 47 that it is indeed Euro 6. So I forwarded that with my V5 again and had a reply within 2 days to confirm that it is compliant and has been corrected on the system. My persistence paid off and now I am not pressurised into selling my car until I'm ready. Hope this might help someone else.
Killboy said:
croyde said:
I do like the idea of that.
It would look something like the Battle Star Galactica but with loads of flames, blue light and thunderous noise.
AhemIt would look something like the Battle Star Galactica but with loads of flames, blue light and thunderous noise.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g9p0B5NikPE
I don't really give one. My Civic type R is exempt and that's the only car I take to London. I do have to drive there from Devon so it's no problem. It's comfortable, at my age it's quick enough and it doesn't cost me anything extra to go to my daughter's in Ealing.
But London has always amazed me. I used to have a good friend in Richmond ( since died sadly) and I used to see far more 4wd's, and big ones at that, in Richmond than I do at home in rural Devon. Why is that?
I always said if I lived in Richmond I'd have a Fiat Panda!
But London has always amazed me. I used to have a good friend in Richmond ( since died sadly) and I used to see far more 4wd's, and big ones at that, in Richmond than I do at home in rural Devon. Why is that?
I always said if I lived in Richmond I'd have a Fiat Panda!
ffhard said:
I don't really give one. My Civic type R is exempt and that's the only car I take to London. I do have to drive there from Devon so it's no problem. It's comfortable, at my age it's quick enough and it doesn't cost me anything extra to go to my daughter's in Ealing.
But London has always amazed me. I used to have a good friend in Richmond ( since died sadly) and I used to see far more 4wd's, and big ones at that, in Richmond than I do at home in rural Devon. Why is that?
I always said if I lived in Richmond I'd have a Fiat Panda!
They're great for navigating the potholes & speed humps, a Panda would be horrible in comparison.But London has always amazed me. I used to have a good friend in Richmond ( since died sadly) and I used to see far more 4wd's, and big ones at that, in Richmond than I do at home in rural Devon. Why is that?
I always said if I lived in Richmond I'd have a Fiat Panda!
CoolHands said:
I think I find when I look out my front window they’re not. They’re still 2008 donkeys that sound like an aircraft carrier taking off.
I think we’ve had this argument before but you seem to have some kind of vested interest in pretending their all super modern and clean even though they aren’t.
A lot of the older stock will have had refurbished and upgraded drivetrains making them compliant even if they may not sound like it ( you're right, they can be a tad growly).I think we’ve had this argument before but you seem to have some kind of vested interest in pretending their all super modern and clean even though they aren’t.
I buy buses for a living, anything to TFL spec is non diesel now and older stuff subject to different levels of emissions standards all at least eu6.
ZX10R NIN said:
ffhard said:
I don't really give one. My Civic type R is exempt and that's the only car I take to London. I do have to drive there from Devon so it's no problem. It's comfortable, at my age it's quick enough and it doesn't cost me anything extra to go to my daughter's in Ealing.
But London has always amazed me. I used to have a good friend in Richmond ( since died sadly) and I used to see far more 4wd's, and big ones at that, in Richmond than I do at home in rural Devon. Why is that?
I always said if I lived in Richmond I'd have a Fiat Panda!
They're great for navigating the potholes & speed humps, a Panda would be horrible in comparison.But London has always amazed me. I used to have a good friend in Richmond ( since died sadly) and I used to see far more 4wd's, and big ones at that, in Richmond than I do at home in rural Devon. Why is that?
I always said if I lived in Richmond I'd have a Fiat Panda!
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